We also need a run of good luck, both during matches and with injuries.
Are we a lucky club?
There’s no such thing as luck. It genuinely doesn’t exist.
Always surprises me how easily and unquestioningly people believe in some sort of unseen force determining the outcome of events even whilst religious belief is declining.
We also need a run of good luck, both during matches and with injuries.
Are we a lucky club?
There’s no such thing as luck. It genuinely doesn’t exist.
Always surprises me how easily and unquestioningly people believe in some sort of unseen force determining the outcome of events even whilst religious belief is declining.
Agreed - if you don’t sign people that rarely play football, you are unlikely to have a large injury list
if there is one trait I think we need to have in all the players we bring in - almost as important as a new physical striker or 2 - it’s bollox - hard men like when we added youds and mills in 98 - a minimum of one in each department through the spine of the team
if there is one trait I think we need to have in all the players we bring in - almost as important as a new physical striker or 2 - it’s bollox - hard men like when we added youds and mills in 98 - a minimum of one in each department through the spine of the team
And players that hate losing. Ratty bastards who pull shirts and kick at heels and moan at the ref when things aren't going our way. People who hate losing more than they enjoy winning. We haven't had anyone like that in ages.
We also need a run of good luck, both during matches and with injuries.
Are we a lucky club?
There’s no such thing as luck. It genuinely doesn’t exist.
Always surprises me how easily and unquestioningly people believe in some sort of unseen force determining the outcome of events even whilst religious belief is declining.
It really does I think. Anyone who likes a bet will tell you that. And football is one of the sports most affected by luck. Of course it evens out over the course of a season, but within the course of that season there will be matches where you dominate, but lose to a deflected goal after a rare attack by the opposition.
And games that you win because of something similar. Tennis, because of its scoring system, is less affected by luck, although luck affects individual points e.g. the total mishit that loops over the opponent’s head and lands on the line. With tennis, luck only plays a part very rarely, eg when a match is massively close and comes down to a tie breaker (non grand slam tournaments only), and there’s a lucky net cord at a decisive point, or something similar. But you won’t find a match where one player dominates, but the other player wins, as happens in football.
It’s not ‘an unseen force’ it’s just something that happens, as events have proven in football time and time again. You won’t win the league or get promoted by being lucky, but you might win the odd match.
We also need a run of good luck, both during matches and with injuries.
Are we a lucky club?
There’s no such thing as luck. It genuinely doesn’t exist.
Always surprises me how easily and unquestioningly people believe in some sort of unseen force determining the outcome of events even whilst religious belief is declining.
It really does I think. Anyone who likes a bet will tell you that. And football is one of the sports most affected by luck. Of course it evens out over the course of a season, but within the course of that season there will be matches where you dominate, but lose to a deflected goal after a rare attack by the opposition.
And games that you win because of something similar. Tennis, because of its scoring system, is less affected by luck, although luck affects individual points e.g. the total mishit that loops over the opponent’s head and lands on the line. With tennis, luck only plays a part very rarely, eg when a match is massively close and comes down to a tie breaker (non grand slam tournaments only), and there’s a lucky net cord at a decisive point, or something similar. But you won’t find a match where one player dominates, but the other player wins, as happens in football.
It’s not ‘an unseen force’ it’s just something that happens, as events have proven in football time and time again. You won’t win the league or get promoted by being lucky, but you might win the odd match.
Low scoring sports are more affected by luck. Basket ball scores of 100-85 aren't luck. Not so sure about about tennis, its a high confidence (solo) game, fine technique required and a clear mind. Luck as described on key points can rattle players. Same as golf? Maybe - I don't play that. It's not a sport in my book.No effort involved. (sit back and wait for the onslaught)
To answer the original question , we need a group of players that can play every week , good characters , a proper goalkeeper and a couple of players that can score goals to win tight games . The blueprint is the 2011/12 team.
I've been such a good boy all year so please could I ask for..........
A senior management and coaching team who are more than capable of making it happen, owners who are absolutely determined to make it happen and all of them to please stick around after it has happened.
And every single one of us to still be here to experience every bit it.
I think we can still go up this season but we can't afford a run of poor form and need to put together some runs. The margin for error is wafer thin sadly. If you look at our remaining December fixtures, it is possible we can stay in touch even with what we have now but we need to bring two or three (more likely three or four) of the right players in in January and not on the 31st. We need a bit more steel and fight IMO. With the right players, we can go on the sort of runs we need to. We already have the top scorer and joint best assister in the side. Hector is starting to play well. Dobbo is one of the best midfielders in the League. It can be done. Am I expecting it to be done? Probably not!
The problem is there mate, as much as we have 3 players that are without a doubt among the best in the league, Portsmouth, Bolton, Oxford, Peterborough and maybe even Derby have players of a similar calibre and more of them. We probably should be in the type of position Stevenage are in but we messed up again completely.
Then you have clubs imo, who are similar to us like Lincoln, Bristol Rovers, Blackpool and Barsnley who are clubs who don't quite have the quality for autos but have a fair amount of players good for this league. That's where we rank, too good for the drop but could scrape a 6th place finish.
It reminds me of when English people say 'how did this England squad not win anything?!' From 1998-2010, completely ignoring the fact that Brazil, Germany, France, Italy etc all existed and honestly had better teams or better talents.
Our players aren't as good as we think and there's a reason two players have come from relegation threatened sides from last season and all of a sudden guaranteed starters. Seasons of failed recruitment and a serious lack of footballing knowledge at the club.
I think we can still go up this season but we can't afford a run of poor form and need to put together some runs. The margin for error is wafer thin sadly. If you look at our remaining December fixtures, it is possible we can stay in touch even with what we have now but we need to bring two or three (more likely three or four) of the right players in in January and not on the 31st. We need a bit more steel and fight IMO. With the right players, we can go on the sort of runs we need to. We already have the top scorer and joint best assister in the side. Hector is starting to play well. Dobbo is one of the best midfielders in the League. It can be done. Am I expecting it to be done? Probably not!
The problem is there mate, as much as we have 3 players that are without a doubt among the best in the league, Portsmouth, Bolton, Oxford, Peterborough and maybe even Derby have players of a similar calibre and more of them. We probably should be in the type of position Stevenage are in but we messed up again completely.
Then you have clubs imo, who are similar to us like Lincoln, Bristol Rovers, Blackpool and Barsnley who are clubs who don't quite have the quality for autos but have a fair amount of players good for this league. That's where we rank, too good for the drop but could scrape a 6th place finish.
It reminds me of when English people say 'how did this England squad not win anything?!' From 1998-2010, completely ignoring the fact that Brazil, Germany, France, Italy etc all existed and honestly had better teams or better talents.
Our players aren't as good as we think and there's a reason two players have come from relegation threatened sides from last season and all of a sudden guaranteed starters. Seasons of failed recruitment and a serious lack of footballing knowledge at the club.
If you have three players who are as good as anything in the league and you add three more you will start winning every week. Now adding those three isn't easy, but it is what you have to do. IMO. the reason England haven't won two trophies is the negativity of the manager but we all have our opinions. I look at Pompey and they are a hard working honest team with one or two decent players but not far at all from what we can be.
if there is one trait I think we need to have in all the players we bring in - almost as important as a new physical striker or 2 - it’s bollox - hard men like when we added youds and mills in 98 - a minimum of one in each department through the spine of the team
And players that hate losing. Ratty bastards who pull shirts and kick at heels and moan at the ref when things aren't going our way. People who hate losing more than they enjoy winning. We haven't had anyone like that in ages.
The club generally recruits what the fans want.
Let's not forget the outcry on here because Bowyer allegedly shouted at Johnny Williams and upset him.
Generally speaking, more often than not, Millwall sign tough players and Charlton sign weak players.
I remember the outcry from some when we signed Ben Thatcher.
We also need a run of good luck, both during matches and with injuries.
Are we a lucky club?
There’s no such thing as luck. It genuinely doesn’t exist.
Always surprises me how easily and unquestioningly people believe in some sort of unseen force determining the outcome of events even whilst religious belief is declining.
It really does I think. Anyone who likes a bet will tell you that. And football is one of the sports most affected by luck. Of course it evens out over the course of a season, but within the course of that season there will be matches where you dominate, but lose to a deflected goal after a rare attack by the opposition.
And games that you win because of something similar. Tennis, because of its scoring system, is less affected by luck, although luck affects individual points e.g. the total mishit that loops over the opponent’s head and lands on the line. With tennis, luck only plays a part very rarely, eg when a match is massively close and comes down to a tie breaker (non grand slam tournaments only), and there’s a lucky net cord at a decisive point, or something similar. But you won’t find a match where one player dominates, but the other player wins, as happens in football.
It’s not ‘an unseen force’ it’s just something that happens, as events have proven in football time and time again. You won’t win the league or get promoted by being lucky, but you might win the odd match.
None of the things you have described are “luck”. A deflected goal is simply the outcome of physics, not fortune or fate.
For the record I enjoy a bet, but even where the ball lands on the roulette wheel is down to the velocity the croupier spins the wheel at, the placement of the ball and myriad atmospheric conditions in the casino. None of this is really luck, it’s just science.
We’re conditioned to believe in luck against our better judgement, but it’s just superstitious nonsense.
We also need a run of good luck, both during matches and with injuries.
Are we a lucky club?
There’s no such thing as luck. It genuinely doesn’t exist.
Always surprises me how easily and unquestioningly people believe in some sort of unseen force determining the outcome of events even whilst religious belief is declining.
It really does I think. Anyone who likes a bet will tell you that. And football is one of the sports most affected by luck. Of course it evens out over the course of a season, but within the course of that season there will be matches where you dominate, but lose to a deflected goal after a rare attack by the opposition.
And games that you win because of something similar. Tennis, because of its scoring system, is less affected by luck, although luck affects individual points e.g. the total mishit that loops over the opponent’s head and lands on the line. With tennis, luck only plays a part very rarely, eg when a match is massively close and comes down to a tie breaker (non grand slam tournaments only), and there’s a lucky net cord at a decisive point, or something similar. But you won’t find a match where one player dominates, but the other player wins, as happens in football.
It’s not ‘an unseen force’ it’s just something that happens, as events have proven in football time and time again. You won’t win the league or get promoted by being lucky, but you might win the odd match.
None of the things you have described are “luck”. A deflected goal is simply the outcome of physics, not fortune or fate.
For the record I enjoy a bet, but even where the ball lands on the roulette wheel is down to the velocity the croupier spins the wheel at, the placement of the ball and myriad atmospheric conditions in the casino. None of this is really luck, it’s just science.
We’re conditioned to believe in luck against our better judgement, but it’s just superstitious nonsense.
We also need a run of good luck, both during matches and with injuries.
Are we a lucky club?
There’s no such thing as luck. It genuinely doesn’t exist.
Always surprises me how easily and unquestioningly people believe in some sort of unseen force determining the outcome of events even whilst religious belief is declining.
It really does I think. Anyone who likes a bet will tell you that. And football is one of the sports most affected by luck. Of course it evens out over the course of a season, but within the course of that season there will be matches where you dominate, but lose to a deflected goal after a rare attack by the opposition.
And games that you win because of something similar. Tennis, because of its scoring system, is less affected by luck, although luck affects individual points e.g. the total mishit that loops over the opponent’s head and lands on the line. With tennis, luck only plays a part very rarely, eg when a match is massively close and comes down to a tie breaker (non grand slam tournaments only), and there’s a lucky net cord at a decisive point, or something similar. But you won’t find a match where one player dominates, but the other player wins, as happens in football.
It’s not ‘an unseen force’ it’s just something that happens, as events have proven in football time and time again. You won’t win the league or get promoted by being lucky, but you might win the odd match.
None of the things you have described are “luck”. A deflected goal is simply the outcome of physics, not fortune or fate.
For the record I enjoy a bet, but even where the ball lands on the roulette wheel is down to the velocity the croupier spins the wheel at, the placement of the ball and myriad atmospheric conditions in the casino. None of this is really luck, it’s just science.
We’re conditioned to believe in luck against our better judgement, but it’s just superstitious nonsense.
What about when a bird cr*ps on you?
You’ve paid good money for a service, no luck required!
Of course luck exists. You can toss a coin 10 times and it comes up heads 10 times. If you are calling tails, this would be unlucky because the odds are against it but having said that, over time luck should even itself out to some degree.
We also need a run of good luck, both during matches and with injuries.
Are we a lucky club?
There’s no such thing as luck. It genuinely doesn’t exist.
Always surprises me how easily and unquestioningly people believe in some sort of unseen force determining the outcome of events even whilst religious belief is declining.
It really does I think. Anyone who likes a bet will tell you that. And football is one of the sports most affected by luck. Of course it evens out over the course of a season, but within the course of that season there will be matches where you dominate, but lose to a deflected goal after a rare attack by the opposition.
And games that you win because of something similar. Tennis, because of its scoring system, is less affected by luck, although luck affects individual points e.g. the total mishit that loops over the opponent’s head and lands on the line. With tennis, luck only plays a part very rarely, eg when a match is massively close and comes down to a tie breaker (non grand slam tournaments only), and there’s a lucky net cord at a decisive point, or something similar. But you won’t find a match where one player dominates, but the other player wins, as happens in football.
It’s not ‘an unseen force’ it’s just something that happens, as events have proven in football time and time again. You won’t win the league or get promoted by being lucky, but you might win the odd match.
None of the things you have described are “luck”. A deflected goal is simply the outcome of physics, not fortune or fate.
For the record I enjoy a bet, but even where the ball lands on the roulette wheel is down to the velocity the croupier spins the wheel at, the placement of the ball and myriad atmospheric conditions in the casino. None of this is really luck, it’s just science.
We’re conditioned to believe in luck against our better judgement, but it’s just superstitious nonsense.
I think we’re at cross purposes here, although it’s an interesting debate.
Of course a crazy deflection of a misfit shot obeys the laws of physics, and no one is claiming it doesn't, or that a weird force or supernatural power is involved. And I never even mentioned fate. You may be mixing up the belief in good luck charms etc, which of course is nonsense, with statistical outcomes & statistical anomalies, which are actual things
If a footballer kicks the ball in the wrong direction, and it ends up in the net, it’s of course because of physics, that goes without saying. But statistically it’s much more likely that a shot on target will result in a goal than an off target one. And if you rely on deflections rather than accuracy you won’t win many matches. Shooting on target increases the odds of both scoring and of winning matches, Being rubbish at shooting has the opposite effect, and you’ll need statistical anomalies to win matches, and some people call that relying on luck, as a shorthand.
In the casino, if a punter puts their only chip on 17, and the ball lends on 17, then a statistically unlikely outcome has occurred because of physics, and they get 35 chips back. People call that being “lucky”, because it’s simpler than saying the person “benefitted from the laws of physics, and a statistically unlikely outcome occurred”. If someone claims it’s “really spooky”, or that “fate intervened”, or that they won the chips because they were wearing their lucky socks, then that’s of course just “superstitious nonsense”, as you described. Although it’s perfectly harmless nonsense in that situation, and it gives some people pleasure. It’s not so harmless if they rely on the same method when choosing a surgeon to perform a heart operation on them.
So against Burton the laws of physics will definitely not be broken, but I hope we are not the victims of a statistical anomaly or two. And if a bird cr*ps on my head on the way to the match I’ll still be cursing my luck, even though I know it’s just physics and statistics combining.
I am still clinging to the hope that if our decision makers actually seriously invest well in January and do not sell one or more of our three stars that we can go on a run and sneak in to being a top six team right at the end of the season.
Such a missed opportunity this season not to go for it, weakest League 1 in years.
Thanks to an extremely well run CP style team in Plymouth going up followed by two teams willing to heavily out spend the rest of the league.
Replaced by teams, two of which thanks to bad ownership shot themselves in the foot before the season started.
None of which is likely to be the case next season, as no obvious basket cases coming down, Wigan have already sorted themselves out, Reading may have done and oh yes we may be joined by the likes of Disney+ FC.
How have we managed to get maybe our most prolific striker in my lifetime(I'm 33) and yet still debating if the season is over before January.
And yet I will still be there in person cheering on the lads game after game hoping for the best.
Coventry, Bournemouth and Luton ended up in League 2, and National League (Luton)
What was their template for the phoenix from the ashes rise?
How was their infrastructure improved ?
After all 3 clubs had ownership that was out of kilter with the fans (sound familiar) how did that suddenly change ?
Credit to Mark Robins, Eddie Howe and Nathan Jones BUT they must've had backing to Manage and good recruitment teams with a plan. No question mark needed !
I found it interesting reading the myriad of solutions to our mediocre existence as a 3rd tier team and that *Luck doesn't exist!
* Luck is just science deserves its own thread; So when a butterfly flaps its wings in New Zealand...
Portsmouth as good as promoted based on the history of autos, Bolton in 6th who we are never catching, Derby in fine form, as are Peterborough, we don't have the quality of Oxford.
So realistically we are fighting with Barnsley, Blackpool and maybe Lincoln, for one slot that Stevenage need to lose form to give up.
Portsmouth as good as promoted based on the history of autos, Bolton in 6th who we are never catching, Derby in fine form, as are Peterborough, we don't have the quality of Oxford.
So realistically we are fighting with Barnsley, Blackpool and maybe Lincoln, for one slot that Stevenage need to lose form to give up.
I reckon that top 6 stays as is now.
Oxford have only won 1 of the 5 games they’ve had under their new manager. I could see them stumbling a bit, don’t think we will be good enough to capitalise though
12 points off Stevenage with 2 games in hand and we’ve got to play them at home
12 points off Oxford with 1 game in hand and we play them at home next week.
Both are still catchable but our problem is that we aren’t very good
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Tennis, because of its scoring system, is less affected by luck, although luck affects individual points e.g. the total mishit that loops over the opponent’s head and lands on the line. With tennis, luck only plays a part very rarely, eg when a match is massively close and comes down to a tie breaker (non grand slam tournaments only), and there’s a lucky net cord at a decisive point, or something similar. But you won’t find a match where one player dominates, but the other player wins, as happens in football.
Same as golf? Maybe - I don't play that. It's not a sport in my book.No effort involved. (sit back and wait for the onslaught)
I've been such a good boy all year so please could I ask for..........
A senior management and coaching team who are more than capable of making it happen, owners who are absolutely determined to make it happen and all of them to please stick around after it has happened.
And every single one of us to still be here to experience every bit it.
Thanks Santa.
And lots of love, Charlie xx
Then you have clubs imo, who are similar to us like Lincoln, Bristol Rovers, Blackpool and Barsnley who are clubs who don't quite have the quality for autos but have a fair amount of players good for this league. That's where we rank, too good for the drop but could scrape a 6th place finish.
It reminds me of when English people say 'how did this England squad not win anything?!' From 1998-2010, completely ignoring the fact that Brazil, Germany, France, Italy etc all existed and honestly had better teams or better talents.
Our players aren't as good as we think and there's a reason two players have come from relegation threatened sides from last season and all of a sudden guaranteed starters. Seasons of failed recruitment and a serious lack of footballing knowledge at the club.
Let's not forget the outcry on here because Bowyer allegedly shouted at Johnny Williams and upset him.
Generally speaking, more often than not, Millwall sign tough players and Charlton sign weak players.
I remember the outcry from some when we signed Ben Thatcher.
We reap what we sew.
We’re conditioned to believe in luck against our better judgement, but it’s just superstitious nonsense.
What about when a bird cr*ps on you?
I think we’re at cross purposes here, although it’s an interesting debate.
Of course a crazy deflection of a misfit shot obeys the laws of physics, and no one is claiming it doesn't, or that a weird force or supernatural power is involved. And I never even mentioned fate. You may be mixing up the belief in good luck charms etc, which of course is nonsense, with statistical outcomes & statistical anomalies, which are actual things
Such a missed opportunity this season not to go for it, weakest League 1 in years.
Thanks to an extremely well run CP style team in Plymouth going up followed by two teams willing to heavily out spend the rest of the league.
Replaced by teams, two of which thanks to bad ownership shot themselves in the foot before the season started.
None of which is likely to be the case next season, as no obvious basket cases coming down, Wigan have already sorted themselves out, Reading may have done and oh yes we may be joined by the likes of Disney+ FC.
How have we managed to get maybe our most prolific striker in my lifetime(I'm 33) and yet still debating if the season is over before January.
And yet I will still be there in person cheering on the lads game after game hoping for the best.
What was their template for the phoenix from the ashes rise?
How was their infrastructure improved ?
After all 3 clubs had ownership that was out of kilter with the fans (sound familiar) how did that suddenly change ?
Credit to Mark Robins, Eddie Howe and Nathan Jones BUT they must've had backing to Manage and good recruitment teams with a plan. No question mark needed !
I found it interesting reading the myriad of solutions to our mediocre existence as a 3rd tier team and that *Luck doesn't exist!
* Luck is just science deserves its own thread; So when a butterfly flaps its wings in New Zealand...
Portsmouth as good as promoted based on the history of autos, Bolton in 6th who we are never catching, Derby in fine form, as are Peterborough, we don't have the quality of Oxford.
So realistically we are fighting with Barnsley, Blackpool and maybe Lincoln, for one slot that Stevenage need to lose form to give up.
I reckon that top 6 stays as is now.
12 points off Stevenage with 2 games in hand and we’ve got to play them at home
12 points off Oxford with 1 game in hand and we play them at home next week.
6-7 new players would need time to gel
A lot of players out of contract in Summer and their performance levels will tail off, as we've seen before
It's over