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Our average attendances say otherwise. They did plummet shortly after the Premier League.Covered End said:
Duchatelet indisputeably shrank the fan base.Braziliance said:
I don't agree Duchatelet shrank our fan base, not significantly enough anyway. Our attendances plummeted shortly after we left the prem, and never got close again.Athletico Charlton said:
Duchatelet shrank our fan base massively then held on to the stadium and training ground whilst selling is for a quid to buyers he knew were wrong'uns. He remains our main threat even now. No better than Chansiri.ShootersHillGuru said:
Possibly but at least Duchatelet paid the bills on time and we were never close to financial peril.charltonbob said:
No he doesn't, they're both cnutsElfsborgAddick said:
Chansiri makes Dushitelet look a decent chairman.ShootersHillGuru said:
He’s deluded. Who is going to make a deposit that’s needed to be spent just to pay wages unless a deal is all but done and just needing ratification. Refundable ? Not likely if it’s already spent.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Statement today from Chansiri - https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2025/june/26/club-update-from-the-chairman/
So in short, he says he's been messed around, there's no deal in place, and he was looking for some kind of deposit that he'd then use to pay outstanding salaries. Still a total mess.
On the plus side for their fans, he seems to be showing a willingness to sell and he has a price in mind.
That is the nature of football, had we got promoted under Duchatelet when he first joined, the Valley would have been at capacity every week.
I still remember reading when he goes people will be back and it just never happened. The only way we will get the Valley full again consistently is if we are a prem team or if it's a big occasion we see people turn up.
I don't like the bloke, but I don't entirely blame him for our dwindling attendances.
Most league games I could count how many people were sitting in the Curbs Stand.
Our attendances were pitiful when he was owner and destroying the club.
Our attendances did not plummet shortly after we were relegated from The Prem.
Yes if Duchatelet achieved promotion to the Premier League we would have been packed out.
But he ran the club in a farcial, amateur manner which made us a laughing stock.
He got us relegated not promoted and yes the damage he caused effected the fan base so severely we are only just recovering.
Prem 06/07: 26k
Champ 07/08: 23k
Champ 08/09: 20k
League one 09/10: 17k
The following year 15k, then back up to 17k in a promotion season, followed by 18k first season back in the Champ.
Roland's first year in charge of us properly we had 16k. These figures aren't as bad as the Legaue one years that followed, but the data doesn't lie. Our attendances very shortly after relegation dropped off a cliff once we lost prem football. 9k less season ticket holders within 3 seasons.
We did go down under his ownership, but we also went up with it. I don't like the bloke but he can't be blamed for our attendances. Sold out the Valley and Wembley with him owning the club. Which shows people were willing to show up even if they hated him, as long as Charlton were involved in high profile games/playing well
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Agreed. It's the lack of success on the pitch which kills attendances. Mid table L1 football won't attract the masses, whoever owns the club.
Of course Roland has to take much of the blame for the decline on the pitch, but the crowds and atmosphere then picked up under Bowyer when on the field, the club was run much better with football people like Bowyer and Gallen in charge, and Roland letting then get on with it.6 -
I suppose it depends on one’s definition of shortly after we left The Prem.Braziliance said:
Our average attendances say otherwise. They did plummet shortly after the Premier League.Covered End said:
Duchatelet indisputeably shrank the fan base.Braziliance said:
I don't agree Duchatelet shrank our fan base, not significantly enough anyway. Our attendances plummeted shortly after we left the prem, and never got close again.Athletico Charlton said:
Duchatelet shrank our fan base massively then held on to the stadium and training ground whilst selling is for a quid to buyers he knew were wrong'uns. He remains our main threat even now. No better than Chansiri.ShootersHillGuru said:
Possibly but at least Duchatelet paid the bills on time and we were never close to financial peril.charltonbob said:
No he doesn't, they're both cnutsElfsborgAddick said:
Chansiri makes Dushitelet look a decent chairman.ShootersHillGuru said:
He’s deluded. Who is going to make a deposit that’s needed to be spent just to pay wages unless a deal is all but done and just needing ratification. Refundable ? Not likely if it’s already spent.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Statement today from Chansiri - https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2025/june/26/club-update-from-the-chairman/
So in short, he says he's been messed around, there's no deal in place, and he was looking for some kind of deposit that he'd then use to pay outstanding salaries. Still a total mess.
On the plus side for their fans, he seems to be showing a willingness to sell and he has a price in mind.
That is the nature of football, had we got promoted under Duchatelet when he first joined, the Valley would have been at capacity every week.
I still remember reading when he goes people will be back and it just never happened. The only way we will get the Valley full again consistently is if we are a prem team or if it's a big occasion we see people turn up.
I don't like the bloke, but I don't entirely blame him for our dwindling attendances.
Most league games I could count how many people were sitting in the Curbs Stand.
Our attendances were pitiful when he was owner and destroying the club.
Our attendances did not plummet shortly after we were relegated from The Prem.
Yes if Duchatelet achieved promotion to the Premier League we would have been packed out.
But he ran the club in a farcial, amateur manner which made us a laughing stock.
He got us relegated not promoted and yes the damage he caused effected the fan base so severely we are only just recovering.
Prem 06/07: 26k
Champ 07/08: 23k
Champ 08/09: 20k
League one 09/10: 17k
The following year 15k, then back up to 17k in a promotion season, followed by 18k first season back in the Champ.
Roland's first year in charge of us properly we had 16k. These figures aren't as bad as the Legaue one years that followed, but the data doesn't lie. Our attendances very shortly after relegation dropped off a cliff once we lost prem football. 9k less season ticket holders within 3 seasons.
We did go down under his ownership, but we also went up with it. I don't like the bloke but he can't be blamed for our attendances. Sold out the Valley and Wembley with him owning the club.
My definition would be the next couple of years, when as you say we averaged 23K and 20K.
If shortly after is when we were subsequently relegated to L1 then I’d agree with you.1 -
Season ticket sales fell approximately 40% under Duchatelet from approximately 10,000 to 6,000.
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Agreed it was probably the best period of the RD reign with him in the background leaving Bowyer and Gallen to get on with it all.killerandflash said:Agreed. It's the lack of success on the pitch which kills attendances. Mid table L1 football won't attract the masses, whoever owns the club.
Of course Roland has to take much of the blame for the decline on the pitch, but the crowds and atmosphere then picked up under Bowyer when on the field, the club was run much better with football people like Bowyer and Gallen in charge, and Roland letting then get on with it.
Just a shame they were left with a poundland budget even in The Championship and barely any infrastructure at the club.6 -
The 07/08 average attendance 23k was inflated on the back of the free premier league season ticket offer. Would have probably taken the average more in line to 20k the following season otherwise.Covered End said:
I suppose it depends on one’s definition of shortly after we left The Prem.Braziliance said:
Our average attendances say otherwise. They did plummet shortly after the Premier League.Covered End said:
Duchatelet indisputeably shrank the fan base.Braziliance said:
I don't agree Duchatelet shrank our fan base, not significantly enough anyway. Our attendances plummeted shortly after we left the prem, and never got close again.Athletico Charlton said:
Duchatelet shrank our fan base massively then held on to the stadium and training ground whilst selling is for a quid to buyers he knew were wrong'uns. He remains our main threat even now. No better than Chansiri.ShootersHillGuru said:
Possibly but at least Duchatelet paid the bills on time and we were never close to financial peril.charltonbob said:
No he doesn't, they're both cnutsElfsborgAddick said:
Chansiri makes Dushitelet look a decent chairman.ShootersHillGuru said:
He’s deluded. Who is going to make a deposit that’s needed to be spent just to pay wages unless a deal is all but done and just needing ratification. Refundable ? Not likely if it’s already spent.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Statement today from Chansiri - https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2025/june/26/club-update-from-the-chairman/
So in short, he says he's been messed around, there's no deal in place, and he was looking for some kind of deposit that he'd then use to pay outstanding salaries. Still a total mess.
On the plus side for their fans, he seems to be showing a willingness to sell and he has a price in mind.
That is the nature of football, had we got promoted under Duchatelet when he first joined, the Valley would have been at capacity every week.
I still remember reading when he goes people will be back and it just never happened. The only way we will get the Valley full again consistently is if we are a prem team or if it's a big occasion we see people turn up.
I don't like the bloke, but I don't entirely blame him for our dwindling attendances.
Most league games I could count how many people were sitting in the Curbs Stand.
Our attendances were pitiful when he was owner and destroying the club.
Our attendances did not plummet shortly after we were relegated from The Prem.
Yes if Duchatelet achieved promotion to the Premier League we would have been packed out.
But he ran the club in a farcial, amateur manner which made us a laughing stock.
He got us relegated not promoted and yes the damage he caused effected the fan base so severely we are only just recovering.
Prem 06/07: 26k
Champ 07/08: 23k
Champ 08/09: 20k
League one 09/10: 17k
The following year 15k, then back up to 17k in a promotion season, followed by 18k first season back in the Champ.
Roland's first year in charge of us properly we had 16k. These figures aren't as bad as the Legaue one years that followed, but the data doesn't lie. Our attendances very shortly after relegation dropped off a cliff once we lost prem football. 9k less season ticket holders within 3 seasons.
We did go down under his ownership, but we also went up with it. I don't like the bloke but he can't be blamed for our attendances. Sold out the Valley and Wembley with him owning the club.
My definition would be the next couple of years, when as you say we averaged 23K and 20K.
If shortly after is when we were subsequently relegated to L1 then I’d agree with you.1 -
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Does two embargoes change anything?0
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I mean, it does. Printing free tickets no one uses is essentially a lie.Braziliance said:
Our average attendances say otherwise. They did plummet shortly after the Premier League.Covered End said:
Duchatelet indisputeably shrank the fan base.Braziliance said:
I don't agree Duchatelet shrank our fan base, not significantly enough anyway. Our attendances plummeted shortly after we left the prem, and never got close again.Athletico Charlton said:
Duchatelet shrank our fan base massively then held on to the stadium and training ground whilst selling is for a quid to buyers he knew were wrong'uns. He remains our main threat even now. No better than Chansiri.ShootersHillGuru said:
Possibly but at least Duchatelet paid the bills on time and we were never close to financial peril.charltonbob said:
No he doesn't, they're both cnutsElfsborgAddick said:
Chansiri makes Dushitelet look a decent chairman.ShootersHillGuru said:
He’s deluded. Who is going to make a deposit that’s needed to be spent just to pay wages unless a deal is all but done and just needing ratification. Refundable ? Not likely if it’s already spent.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Statement today from Chansiri - https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2025/june/26/club-update-from-the-chairman/
So in short, he says he's been messed around, there's no deal in place, and he was looking for some kind of deposit that he'd then use to pay outstanding salaries. Still a total mess.
On the plus side for their fans, he seems to be showing a willingness to sell and he has a price in mind.
That is the nature of football, had we got promoted under Duchatelet when he first joined, the Valley would have been at capacity every week.
I still remember reading when he goes people will be back and it just never happened. The only way we will get the Valley full again consistently is if we are a prem team or if it's a big occasion we see people turn up.
I don't like the bloke, but I don't entirely blame him for our dwindling attendances.
Most league games I could count how many people were sitting in the Curbs Stand.
Our attendances were pitiful when he was owner and destroying the club.
Our attendances did not plummet shortly after we were relegated from The Prem.
Yes if Duchatelet achieved promotion to the Premier League we would have been packed out.
But he ran the club in a farcial, amateur manner which made us a laughing stock.
He got us relegated not promoted and yes the damage he caused effected the fan base so severely we are only just recovering.
Prem 06/07: 26k
Champ 07/08: 23k
Champ 08/09: 20k
League one 09/10: 17k
The following year 15k, then back up to 17k in a promotion season, followed by 18k first season back in the Champ.
Roland's first year in charge of us properly we had 16k. These figures aren't as bad as the Legaue one years that followed, but the data doesn't lie. Our attendances very shortly after relegation dropped off a cliff once we lost prem football. 9k less season ticket holders within 3 seasons.
We did go down under his ownership, but we also went up with it. I don't like the bloke but he can't be blamed for our attendances. Sold out the Valley and Wembley with him owning the club. Which shows people were willing to show up even if they hated him, as long as Charlton were involved in high profile games/playing well
People boycotted the RD years and then didn't come back after he left because they had found other things to do. Kids of those boycotting will not now grow up as Charlton fans.
I would say the data that doesn't lie is the season ticket data which Covered End shoes a 40% drop off.6 -
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Updated the above screenshot, as looks like staff have been told that wages on Monday are uncertain...0
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Christ, this is where the EFL should be stepping in with some kind of relief fund. Anyone at the club living pay day to pay day is royally screwedForeverAddickted said:Updated the above screenshot, as looks like staff have been told that wages on Monday are uncertain...5 -
In the same way that "Two wrongs don't make a right", two embargoes don't make a points deduction.fenaddick said:Does two embargoes change anything?
Unless it's someone the Football League considers "tin pot" in which case they'll batter the poor buggers so that they're as good as relegated before the season's even started.0 -
Who I believe had a ding dong with Steve Bruce whilst he was there.Henry Irving said:
Who left us to work for Sheff WedsElfsborgAddick said:ShootersHillGuru said:
Possibly but at least Duchatelet paid the bills on time and we were never close to financial peril.charltonbob said:
No he doesn't, they're both cnutsElfsborgAddick said:
Chansiri makes Dushitelet look a decent chairman.ShootersHillGuru said:
He’s deluded. Who is going to make a deposit that’s needed to be spent just to pay wages unless a deal is all but done and just needing ratification. Refundable ? Not likely if it’s already spent.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Statement today from Chansiri - https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2025/june/26/club-update-from-the-chairman/
So in short, he says he's been messed around, there's no deal in place, and he was looking for some kind of deposit that he'd then use to pay outstanding salaries. Still a total mess.
On the plus side for their fans, he seems to be showing a willingness to sell and he has a price in mind.He also spent a few quid, but we know the rest of the story.He also gave us Meire who was an absolute blast at times.0 -
We lost around 5000 season ticket holders the season we were relegated under him.Braziliance said:
I don't agree Duchatelet shrank our fan base, not significantly enough anyway. Our attendances plummeted shortly after we left the prem, and never got close again.Athletico Charlton said:
Duchatelet shrank our fan base massively then held on to the stadium and training ground whilst selling is for a quid to buyers he knew were wrong'uns. He remains our main threat even now. No better than Chansiri.ShootersHillGuru said:
Possibly but at least Duchatelet paid the bills on time and we were never close to financial peril.charltonbob said:
No he doesn't, they're both cnutsElfsborgAddick said:
Chansiri makes Dushitelet look a decent chairman.ShootersHillGuru said:
He’s deluded. Who is going to make a deposit that’s needed to be spent just to pay wages unless a deal is all but done and just needing ratification. Refundable ? Not likely if it’s already spent.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Statement today from Chansiri - https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2025/june/26/club-update-from-the-chairman/
So in short, he says he's been messed around, there's no deal in place, and he was looking for some kind of deposit that he'd then use to pay outstanding salaries. Still a total mess.
On the plus side for their fans, he seems to be showing a willingness to sell and he has a price in mind.
That is the nature of football, had we got promoted under Duchatelet when he first joined, the Valley would have been at capacity every week.
I still remember reading when he goes people will be back and it just never happened. The only way we will get the Valley full again consistently is if we are a prem team or if it's a big occasion we see people turn up.
I don't like the bloke, but I don't entirely blame him for our dwindling attendances.1 -
Non playing staff have been told that Junes salary payment is uncertain. I’m guessing that means very unlikely. HMRC are owed so unless Chansiri changes his tactics they are bang in trouble. Seems he wants £5 million up front to start negotiations for any sale. They don’t even have any pre season games arranged yet apparently.0
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Tough to see how they don’t struggle this season. I hate to see any club in bad situations but that rat Bannan suffers then great0
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I think he wants the upfront payment to 1) show good faith.....and 2) so he can pay the players & staff.ShootersHillGuru said:Non playing staff have been told that Junes salary payment is uncertain. I’m guessing that means very unlikely. HMRC are owed so unless Chansiri changes his tactics they are bang in trouble. Seems he wants £5 million up front to start negotiations for any sale. They don’t even have any pre season games arranged yet apparently.0 -
He’s been released I think, or at least is out of contract. Did see him linked with Wrexham.AndyG said:Tough to see how they don’t struggle this season. I hate to see any club in bad situations but that rat Bannan suffers then great0 -
The perfect club for himLargeAddick said:
He’s been released I think, or at least is out of contract. Did see him linked with Wrexham.AndyG said:Tough to see how they don’t struggle this season. I hate to see any club in bad situations but that rat Bannan suffers then great1 -
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Sad as it is I’ve been looking at Owlstalk and the consensus seems that the money owed in wages and to HMRC might be more than the £5 million he’s asking for and won’t get. There is also a theory that the Sky money has been already used as leverage to get finance. I’m not a fan of Sheffield Wednesday but it’s quite a tragic read.golfaddick said:
I think he wants the upfront payment to 1) show good faith.....and 2) so he can pay the players & staff.ShootersHillGuru said:Non playing staff have been told that Junes salary payment is uncertain. I’m guessing that means very unlikely. HMRC are owed so unless Chansiri changes his tactics they are bang in trouble. Seems he wants £5 million up front to start negotiations for any sale. They don’t even have any pre season games arranged yet apparently.3 -
With the season just six weeks away hasn’t Chansiri got to prove given the current circumstances that he can fund the season ? Would EFL risk paying Wednesday the first Sky payment if there’s no guarantee he can fund the season ?0
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If it means non playing staff get paid then they shouldShootersHillGuru said:With the season just six weeks away hasn’t Chansiri got to prove given the current circumstances that he can fund the season ? Would EFL risk paying Wednesday the first Sky payment if there’s no guarantee he can fund the season ?0 -
I see your point but I’m not sure that’s how it works.fenaddick said:
If it means non playing staff get paid then they shouldShootersHillGuru said:With the season just six weeks away hasn’t Chansiri got to prove given the current circumstances that he can fund the season ? Would EFL risk paying Wednesday the first Sky payment if there’s no guarantee he can fund the season ?0 -
Readings previous owner took down payments , before he would enter into negotiations. I believe he actualy did this with two prospective buyers, then he stymied the talks.
It was only his conviction for financial irregularities back home that gave the EFL the chance to step in and apply some real pressure.
The payment of money to negotiate seems to be accepted practice if not common.0 -
& then split the club from The Valley & SLShootersHillGuru said:
Possibly but at least Duchatelet paid the bills on time and we were never close to financial peril.charltonbob said:
No he doesn't, they're both cnutsElfsborgAddick said:
Chansiri makes Dushitelet look a decent chairman.ShootersHillGuru said:
He’s deluded. Who is going to make a deposit that’s needed to be spent just to pay wages unless a deal is all but done and just needing ratification. Refundable ? Not likely if it’s already spent.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Statement today from Chansiri - https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2025/june/26/club-update-from-the-chairman/
So in short, he says he's been messed around, there's no deal in place, and he was looking for some kind of deposit that he'd then use to pay outstanding salaries. Still a total mess.
On the plus side for their fans, he seems to be showing a willingness to sell and he has a price in mind.1 -
I'm surprised that Chansiri hasn't sold anyone yet to try and bring some money in.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sad as it is I’ve been looking at Owlstalk and the consensus seems that the money owed in wages and to HMRC might be more than the £5 million he’s asking for and won’t get. There is also a theory that the Sky money has been already used as leverage to get finance. I’m not a fan of Sheffield Wednesday but it’s quite a tragic read.golfaddick said:
I think he wants the upfront payment to 1) show good faith.....and 2) so he can pay the players & staff.ShootersHillGuru said:Non playing staff have been told that Junes salary payment is uncertain. I’m guessing that means very unlikely. HMRC are owed so unless Chansiri changes his tactics they are bang in trouble. Seems he wants £5 million up front to start negotiations for any sale. They don’t even have any pre season games arranged yet apparently.0 -
He's probably tried but I doubt many people will be buying when there's every chance any players may end up being available for knock down or even free in the near future.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm surprised that Chansiri hasn't sold anyone yet to try and bring some money in.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sad as it is I’ve been looking at Owlstalk and the consensus seems that the money owed in wages and to HMRC might be more than the £5 million he’s asking for and won’t get. There is also a theory that the Sky money has been already used as leverage to get finance. I’m not a fan of Sheffield Wednesday but it’s quite a tragic read.golfaddick said:
I think he wants the upfront payment to 1) show good faith.....and 2) so he can pay the players & staff.ShootersHillGuru said:Non playing staff have been told that Junes salary payment is uncertain. I’m guessing that means very unlikely. HMRC are owed so unless Chansiri changes his tactics they are bang in trouble. Seems he wants £5 million up front to start negotiations for any sale. They don’t even have any pre season games arranged yet apparently.1 -
Don't think they've got that many saleable assets , the younger Cadamarteri brother they sold to Man City for £1.5m might have been the main assetChris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm surprised that Chansiri hasn't sold anyone yet to try and bring some money in.ShootersHillGuru said:
Sad as it is I’ve been looking at Owlstalk and the consensus seems that the money owed in wages and to HMRC might be more than the £5 million he’s asking for and won’t get. There is also a theory that the Sky money has been already used as leverage to get finance. I’m not a fan of Sheffield Wednesday but it’s quite a tragic read.golfaddick said:
I think he wants the upfront payment to 1) show good faith.....and 2) so he can pay the players & staff.ShootersHillGuru said:Non playing staff have been told that Junes salary payment is uncertain. I’m guessing that means very unlikely. HMRC are owed so unless Chansiri changes his tactics they are bang in trouble. Seems he wants £5 million up front to start negotiations for any sale. They don’t even have any pre season games arranged yet apparently.1
