That was a brilliant game and I was there to see Jim Melrose scoring that hat trick against Everton who were champions in 84/85. Big Nev Southall was their regular keeper with 578 app so that was difficult to remember the stand in keepers.
Both Charlton and Everton would love to get back to those days.
That was a brilliant game and I was there to see Jim Melrose scoring that hat trick against Everton who were champions in 84/85. Big Nev Southall was their regular keeper with 578 app so that was difficult to remember the stand in keepers.
Both Charlton and Everton would love to get back to those days.
Sheedy scored two free kicks for Everton didn't he ?
That was a brilliant game and I was there to see Jim Melrose scoring that hat trick against Everton who were champions in 84/85. Big Nev Southall was their regular keeper with 578 app so that was difficult to remember the stand in keepers.
Both Charlton and Everton would love to get back to those days.
Sheedy scored two free kicks for Everton didn't he ?
Yes, only after checking ! I could remember the Jim Melrose hat trick and because my Dad was there I remember I was in the stand opposite the Arthur Waite stand.
Most games I stood at the Sainsbury's end and I remember a guy who always asked the keepers what cars they drove !
That was a brilliant game and I was there to see Jim Melrose scoring that hat trick against Everton who were champions in 84/85. Big Nev Southall was their regular keeper with 578 app so that was difficult to remember the stand in keepers.
Both Charlton and Everton would love to get back to those days.
Selhurst was rocking for us nomadic fans at the time was a great game, when Everton were actually pretty good.
The more I see of these two, the more I resent them both.
He let Taylor opt out of playing and as such they both contributed to our downfall.
And people were still desperate to see Bowyer back
I'm 57 and I think a lot of people my age will like Bowyer having seen him in a Charlton top. A small matter of 2019 says for me the geezer is alright. Tbf to Bowyer he has been honest with his views on Taylor. He has not bulls****** it even though we went down.
I don’t think bowyer had big ambition to be a football manager - he started doing s bit of coaching, found he like it, ended up as manager, found he liked that and then it went tits and he ended up at birmingham which was also a bit Titsy so probably not fussed about getting back in the trenches at charlton which is looking like another battle atm
Did it go tits ? Were you at Wembley ? Didn’t Taylor F him off ?
The more I see of these two, the more I resent them both.
He let Taylor opt out of playing and as such they both contributed to our downfall.
Taylor's contract was expiring what, two or three games into the season restart. This was at the height of Covid. I feel like the context of that has been forgotten. I don't think Bowyer had much he could do with LT, but even if he did, in the midst of the pandemic, players were allowed to opt out.
I have reservations about Bowyer as a coach from that season, but "allowing Taylor not to play" isn't one of them.
The more I see of these two, the more I resent them both.
He let Taylor opt out of playing and as such they both contributed to our downfall.
Taylor's contract was expiring what, two or three games into the season restart. This was at the height of Covid. I feel like the context of that has been forgotten. I don't think Bowyer had much he could do with LT, but even if he did, in the midst of the pandemic, players were allowed to opt out.
I have reservations about Bowyer as a coach from that season, but "allowing Taylor not to play" isn't one of them.
Players were allowed to opt out over Covid concerns. Lyle has openly admitted he opted out of playing to avoid scuppering a move. That won't be forgotten.
The more I see of these two, the more I resent them both.
He let Taylor opt out of playing and as such they both contributed to our downfall.
Taylor's contract was expiring what, two or three games into the season restart. This was at the height of Covid. I feel like the context of that has been forgotten. I don't think Bowyer had much he could do with LT, but even if he did, in the midst of the pandemic, players were allowed to opt out.
I have reservations about Bowyer as a coach from that season, but "allowing Taylor not to play" isn't one of them.
Players were allowed to opt out over Covid concerns. Lyle has openly admitted he opted out of playing to avoid scuppering a move. That won't be forgotten.
IIRC there were three games played whilst he was still contracted that he refused to take part in?
Morally, the correct thing was to play the WHOLE season. It was a one off scenario where the delay caused by lockdown meant that the football season extended past the end of many contracts, but contracts only expired at the end of June because the season should have been finished by then.
The PFA should have been far stronger over this, both players playing the full season, and clubs paying players for the full season.
The more I see of these two, the more I resent them both.
He let Taylor opt out of playing and as such they both contributed to our downfall.
Taylor's contract was expiring what, two or three games into the season restart. This was at the height of Covid. I feel like the context of that has been forgotten. I don't think Bowyer had much he could do with LT, but even if he did, in the midst of the pandemic, players were allowed to opt out.
I have reservations about Bowyer as a coach from that season, but "allowing Taylor not to play" isn't one of them.
Players were allowed to opt out over Covid concerns. Lyle has openly admitted he opted out of playing to avoid scuppering a move. That won't be forgotten.
Nor should it be with Taylor, but I don't know that you can blame Bowyer for that. I don't remember what exactly the options were, but I'm pretty sure coming back was opt in for everyone--for example, David Davis (remember him? Me neither) didn't come back either. Taylor made the decision he made, but regardless of the reason, I don't know what recourse Bowyer had. Fine him? If the contract you signed expires June 30, you can't be forced to work past June 30.
The more I see of these two, the more I resent them both.
He let Taylor opt out of playing and as such they both contributed to our downfall.
Taylor's contract was expiring what, two or three games into the season restart. This was at the height of Covid. I feel like the context of that has been forgotten. I don't think Bowyer had much he could do with LT, but even if he did, in the midst of the pandemic, players were allowed to opt out.
I have reservations about Bowyer as a coach from that season, but "allowing Taylor not to play" isn't one of them.
Players were allowed to opt out over Covid concerns. Lyle has openly admitted he opted out of playing to avoid scuppering a move. That won't be forgotten.
IIRC there were three games played whilst he was still contracted that he refused to take part in?
I think that was right, it was either two or three games. I want to say league restarted June 22, and contracts expire June 30.
Steve Gallen was in the pub I work at today with his brother and Dougie Friedman (former Forest manager). He left early so his brother got him on the phone for me. He said he still looks out for Charlton results above everyone else including QPR. Said he loves the job at Montserrat and that Lee Bowyer would have loved to go back to managing Charlton but the club never asked. Seemed a pretty decent chap and was very eager to talk to me, I had to put the phone down to serve customers!
Steve Gallen was in the pub I work at today with his brother and Dougie Friedman (former Forest manager). He left early so his brother got him on the phone for me. He said he still looks out for Charlton results above everyone else including QPR. Said he loves the job at Montserrat and that Lee Bowyer would have loved to go back to managing Charlton but the club never asked. Seemed a pretty decent chap and was very eager to talk to me, I had to put the phone down to serve customers!
Yeah i don't think the club can be blamed here. If Bowyer "would have loved to go back to managing Charlton" then i'm sure it wouldn't have taken him very long to pick up the phone.
If i was a club owner my assumption would be that if a manager doesn't apply then he isn't interested.
I don't think Bowyer is quite in the Pep, Conte, Zidane, Ancelotti bracket where clubs go chasing them.
Gallen is a decent chap, but they are nicely trained to give sweet lines only. Loves Charlton, loves Montserrat, loves Bows, Bows loves Charlton, Bows would have loved the job at Charlton......spot the theme!
I've chatted to Steve numerous times both professionally and personally and never found him to be anything other than a genuine and professional chap to be honest. He's always happy to stop and have a chat when I do see him and he takes my calls when I ring him and is candid and open about things but ALWAYS keeps it professional and doesn't resort to slagging people off. I know of a couple of times he was incredibly pissed off with the club and at decisions taken above his head so but he had to adapt to the situation presented as opposed to trying to start a row all the time.
I felt bad for him with having to take the blame for the recruitment when his hands were tied so much
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I'll put you both out your misery.
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/11371/the-week-that-was-11th-october-1986-charlton-3-everton-2
That was a brilliant game and I was there to see Jim Melrose scoring that hat trick against Everton who were champions in 84/85.
Big Nev Southall was their regular keeper with 578 app so that was difficult to remember the stand in keepers.
Both Charlton and Everton would love to get back to those days.
100% correct.
He let Taylor opt out of playing and as such they both contributed to our downfall.
Yes, only after checking !
I could remember the Jim Melrose hat trick and because my Dad was there I remember I was in the stand opposite the Arthur Waite stand.
Most games I stood at the Sainsbury's end and I remember a guy who always asked the keepers what cars they drove !
Tbf to Bowyer he has been honest with his views on Taylor. He has not bulls****** it even though we went down.
I have reservations about Bowyer as a coach from that season, but "allowing Taylor not to play" isn't one of them.
The PFA should have been far stronger over this, both players playing the full season, and clubs paying players for the full season.
I think that was right, it was either two or three games. I want to say league restarted June 22, and contracts expire June 30.
He said he still looks out for Charlton results above everyone else including QPR. Said he loves the job at Montserrat and that Lee Bowyer would have loved to go back to managing Charlton but the club never asked. Seemed a pretty decent chap and was very eager to talk to me, I had to put the phone down to serve customers!
as a general rule, you do need to apply for jobs
If i was a club owner my assumption would be that if a manager doesn't apply then he isn't interested.
I don't think Bowyer is quite in the Pep, Conte, Zidane, Ancelotti bracket where clubs go chasing them.
I felt bad for him with having to take the blame for the recruitment when his hands were tied so much