Is fairly standard business guff from Charlie, highlight was him originally putting the blame on the appleton hire on the ''football staff'' so Andy Scott, before in the next breath reverting to ''We'' as owners made a mistake
as well as defining Appleton's communication skills as '' not his strongest aspect''
A mistake is a massive understatement !!!! Appleton for me goes down as the worst management appointment in living memory. Devoid of ideas,plan and personality. You would have to go some to find worse
Is fairly standard business guff from Charlie, highlight was him originally putting the blame on the appleton hire on the ''football staff'' so Andy Scott, before in the next breath reverting to ''We'' as owners made a mistake
as well as defining Appleton's communication skills as '' not his strongest aspect''
A mistake is a massive understatement !!!! Appleton for me goes down as the worst management appointment in living memory. Devoid of ideas,plan and personality. You would have to go some to find worse
even my missus who cares less than nothing about Charlton said "he seems to be talking a lot of sense, who is he?".
I have to agree with her - i'm impressed every time i listen to him. I'm sure Airman will question the £4m increase in revenue but be interesting to know how many season tickets we sold in the end - anybody know?
Is fairly standard business guff from Charlie, highlight was him originally putting the blame on the appleton hire on the ''football staff'' so Andy Scott, before in the next breath reverting to ''We'' as owners made a mistake
as well as defining Appleton's communication skills as '' not his strongest aspect''
Charlton’s Technical Director Andy Scott led the recruitment process, supported by Managing Director James Rodwell and Simon Lenagan, Sporting Director of the club’s owners Global Football Partners.
Scott commented: “The appointment of Michael comes following an in-depth recruitment process. We had a clear idea of the type of person we wanted, the way they work and how they manage.
“When speaking to the various candidates that we met, Michael demonstrated very clearly that he would have the ability to take the current group and mould them into a successful team.
“He has worked at the very top level so he understands what high standards are required to win. He is a leader on the grass, as well as in the dressing room, has a winning mentality and has had many positive and negative experiences as a manager that have shaped him into the coach that we believe will be the best person for the job.
“He is a coach who knows what it takes to get a team promoted. He has a track record of working with, and developing, young players, which is vital given our outstanding academy. In addition, he has experience working in a modern set-up where his responsibilities are on managing a group of players and getting the best out of them on the pitch.”
Interesting to listen to Charlie on this pod as he doubled down on previous themes.. One thing that doesn't convince me is his dismissal of what he previously called the legacy fans ie he said we are, ' not a family club.' I am not sure branding Charlton as the urban cool club will ever work. I know that's what they have been doing with the social media output.. 'From the Ends to the Valley' and even that's not totally true as they made a film on Kanu and he is from Dartford and learnt his football on the pitches on Dartford Heath and not from the South London tower block cage.I suppose that's how PR man Charlie spins it.
The young first generation inhabitants that live locally to the Valley will always follow the London Premier League giants. If Charlie ignores our long term support that has stuck with CAFC through thin and thin, the club will suffer. Will these new urban fans stay loyal and turn up for League 1 football? I doubt it.
Interesting to listen to Charlie on this pod as he doubled down on previous themes.. One thing that doesn't convince me is his dismissal of what he previously called the legacy fans ie he said we are, ' not a family club.' I am not sure branding Charlton as the urban cool club will ever work. I know that's what they have been doing with the social media output.. 'From the Ends to the Valley' and even that's not totally true as they made a film on Kanu and he is from Dartford and learnt his football on the pitches on Dartford Heath and not from the South London tower block cage.I suppose that's how PR man Charlie spins it.
The young first generation inhabitants that live locally to the Valley will always follow the London Premier League giants. If Charlie ignores our long term support that has stuck with CAFC through thin and thin, the club will suffer. Will these new urban fans stay loyal and turn up for League 1 football? I doubt it.
I think there's a difference between what we would call a family club and what he would call a family club. He's right that there isn't as big of a culture of having multiple generations of families with us than at Sunderland. The fact lots of posters on here go with their family is not evidence to the contrary as the people on here are more likely to be committed than your average person.
I don't think they're attempting to ignore the current fanbase, they're just trying to grow the local one and you'd have to be stupid not to do that. Those north Kent fans he talks about aren't going to abandon the club because they make some videos about where some of our players are going to come from or because a streamer has adopted us as his L1 team. It might not work but equally it might and I think it's worth a punt. I grew up fairly local and Charlton were my "local team" while I supported a top 4 club, I now spend much more time, money and effort on Charlton than that other team. If you can hook them they'll realise how fun it can be.
even my missus who cares less than nothing about Charlton said "he seems to be talking a lot of sense, who is he?".
I have to agree with her - i'm impressed every time i listen to him. I'm sure Airman will question the £4m increase in revenue but be interesting to know how many season tickets we sold in the end - anybody know?
The only way the (non transfer) revenue could increase 40% in 12 months is via changes in central funding. The season ticket sale of circa 8,000 could have been predicted to within a few hundred in April. It’s par.
I don’t dispute that Sandgaard and predecessors were so useless that modest gains are possible, but look around you. No way is club controllable revenue going to be up 40%, but perhaps we’re not the audience he’s trying to persuade that’s likely.
even my missus who cares less than nothing about Charlton said "he seems to be talking a lot of sense, who is he?".
I have to agree with her - i'm impressed every time i listen to him. I'm sure Airman will question the £4m increase in revenue but be interesting to know how many season tickets we sold in the end - anybody know?
The only way the (non transfer) revenue could increase 40% in 12 months is via changes in central funding. The season ticket sale of circa 8,000 could have been predicted to within a few hundred in April. It’s par.
I don’t dispute that Sandgaard and predecessors were so useless that modest gains are possible, but look around you. No way is club controllable revenue going to be up 40%, but perhaps we’re not the audience he’s trying to persuade that’s likely.
I guess the new TV deal is a decent chunk of change and there has definitely been some more sponsorship activity. I agree that it seems hard to get to the 40% even if you include transfer revenue which I suspect he is
even my missus who cares less than nothing about Charlton said "he seems to be talking a lot of sense, who is he?".
I have to agree with her - i'm impressed every time i listen to him. I'm sure Airman will question the £4m increase in revenue but be interesting to know how many season tickets we sold in the end - anybody know?
The only way the (non transfer) revenue could increase 40% in 12 months is via changes in central funding. The season ticket sale of circa 8,000 could have been predicted to within a few hundred in April. It’s par.
I don’t dispute that Sandgaard and predecessors were so useless that modest gains are possible, but look around you. No way is club controllable revenue going to be up 40%, but perhaps we’re not the audience he’s trying to persuade that’s likely.
I guess the new TV deal is a decent chunk of change and there has definitely been some more sponsorship activity. I agree that it seems hard to get to the 40% even if you include transfer revenue which I suspect he is
Any comparison including transfers is meaningless and to be fair I’m sure Methven recognises that and is talking about operating revenue.
I don’t think it’s a full explanation but if you bring retail in-house then all the sales become revenue, which increases the headline figure, but you also take on the costs so it’s not a straightforward gain. It’s the margin that matters.
Interesting to listen to Charlie on this pod as he doubled down on previous themes.. One thing that doesn't convince me is his dismissal of what he previously called the legacy fans ie he said we are, ' not a family club.' I am not sure branding Charlton as the urban cool club will ever work. I know that's what they have been doing with the social media output.. 'From the Ends to the Valley' and even that's not totally true as they made a film on Kanu and he is from Dartford and learnt his football on the pitches on Dartford Heath and not from the South London tower block cage.I suppose that's how PR man Charlie spins it.
The young first generation inhabitants that live locally to the Valley will always follow the London Premier League giants. If Charlie ignores our long term support that has stuck with CAFC through thin and thin, the club will suffer. Will these new urban fans stay loyal and turn up for League 1 football? I doubt it.
The whole post presents a false dichotomy surely.
The long term health of the club relies on growing the number of younger fans who will become the long term support in decades to come - that doesn’t have to come at the expense of anyone else who’s already with us. I also fundamentally disagree with the part in bold - some will never be won over but there are thousands that could be.
If we give up trying to attract new fans in attempts to appease the long term support we might as well let the club fold in 20 years.
Interesting to listen to Charlie on this pod as he doubled down on previous themes.. One thing that doesn't convince me is his dismissal of what he previously called the legacy fans ie he said we are, ' not a family club.' I am not sure branding Charlton as the urban cool club will ever work. I know that's what they have been doing with the social media output.. 'From the Ends to the Valley' and even that's not totally true as they made a film on Kanu and he is from Dartford and learnt his football on the pitches on Dartford Heath and not from the South London tower block cage.I suppose that's how PR man Charlie spins it.
The young first generation inhabitants that live locally to the Valley will always follow the London Premier League giants. If Charlie ignores our long term support that has stuck with CAFC through thin and thin, the club will suffer. Will these new urban fans stay loyal and turn up for League 1 football? I doubt it.
The whole post presents a false dichotomy surely.
The long term health of the club relies on growing the number of younger fans who will become the long term support in decades to come - that doesn’t have to come at the expense of anyone else who’s already with us. I also fundamentally disagree with the part in bold - some will never be won over but there are thousands that could be.
If we give up trying to attract new fans in attempts to appease the long term support we might as well let the club fold in 20 years.
Yes, but it’s also organic. Older fans bring new / younger fans. Word of mouth and social / family networks are critical. I’m not sure you can get the same buy-in through media.
Interesting to listen to Charlie on this pod as he doubled down on previous themes.. One thing that doesn't convince me is his dismissal of what he previously called the legacy fans ie he said we are, ' not a family club.' I am not sure branding Charlton as the urban cool club will ever work. I know that's what they have been doing with the social media output.. 'From the Ends to the Valley' and even that's not totally true as they made a film on Kanu and he is from Dartford and learnt his football on the pitches on Dartford Heath and not from the South London tower block cage.I suppose that's how PR man Charlie spins it.
The young first generation inhabitants that live locally to the Valley will always follow the London Premier League giants. If Charlie ignores our long term support that has stuck with CAFC through thin and thin, the club will suffer. Will these new urban fans stay loyal and turn up for League 1 football? I doubt it.
The whole post presents a false dichotomy surely.
The long term health of the club relies on growing the number of younger fans who will become the long term support in decades to come - that doesn’t have to come at the expense of anyone else who’s already with us. I also fundamentally disagree with the part in bold - some will never be won over but there are thousands that could be.
If we give up trying to attract new fans in attempts to appease the long term support we might as well let the club fold in 20 years.
Yes, but it’s also organic. Older fans bring new / younger fans. Word of mouth and social / family networks are critical. I’m not sure you can get the same buy-in through media.
Of course that helps but it’s not exactly one or the other either which I what I felt the original post implied, trying to find an issue where there wasn’t one.
It can only be a good thing that the club are trying new stuff to get more people on board.
even my missus who cares less than nothing about Charlton said "he seems to be talking a lot of sense, who is he?".
I have to agree with her - i'm impressed every time i listen to him. I'm sure Airman will question the £4m increase in revenue but be interesting to know how many season tickets we sold in the end - anybody know?
The only way the (non transfer) revenue could increase 40% in 12 months is via changes in central funding. The season ticket sale of circa 8,000 could have been predicted to within a few hundred in April. It’s par.
I don’t dispute that Sandgaard and predecessors were so useless that modest gains are possible, but look around you. No way is club controllable revenue going to be up 40%, but perhaps we’re not the audience he’s trying to persuade that’s likely.
Are you hinting at new investors or flipping the club?
Interesting to listen to Charlie on this pod as he doubled down on previous themes.. One thing that doesn't convince me is his dismissal of what he previously called the legacy fans ie he said we are, ' not a family club.' I am not sure branding Charlton as the urban cool club will ever work. I know that's what they have been doing with the social media output.. 'From the Ends to the Valley' and even that's not totally true as they made a film on Kanu and he is from Dartford and learnt his football on the pitches on Dartford Heath and not from the South London tower block cage.I suppose that's how PR man Charlie spins it.
The young first generation inhabitants that live locally to the Valley will always follow the London Premier League giants. If Charlie ignores our long term support that has stuck with CAFC through thin and thin, the club will suffer. Will these new urban fans stay loyal and turn up for League 1 football? I doubt it.
The whole post presents a false dichotomy surely.
The long term health of the club relies on growing the number of younger fans who will become the long term support in decades to come - that doesn’t have to come at the expense of anyone else who’s already with us. I also fundamentally disagree with the part in bold - some will never be won over but there are thousands that could be.
If we give up trying to attract new fans in attempts to appease the long term support we might as well let the club fold in 20 years.
Yes, but it’s also organic. Older fans bring new / younger fans. Word of mouth and social / family networks are critical. I’m not sure you can get the same buy-in through media.
You need both. It's so much easier to follow a big club now even if you aren't local to them. There will be people who live around The Valley who consider themselves Barcelona fans ahead of Charlton fans because it isn't fashionable to be a Charlton fan. It wasn't fashionable 10 years ago when I went to school so I really doubt it is now. Younger fans can bring older fans too, my dad only became a Charlton fan because me and my brother wanted to go to football matches for example.
even my missus who cares less than nothing about Charlton said "he seems to be talking a lot of sense, who is he?".
I have to agree with her - i'm impressed every time i listen to him. I'm sure Airman will question the £4m increase in revenue but be interesting to know how many season tickets we sold in the end - anybody know?
The only way the (non transfer) revenue could increase 40% in 12 months is via changes in central funding. The season ticket sale of circa 8,000 could have been predicted to within a few hundred in April. It’s par.
I don’t dispute that Sandgaard and predecessors were so useless that modest gains are possible, but look around you. No way is club controllable revenue going to be up 40%, but perhaps we’re not the audience he’s trying to persuade that’s likely.
Are you hinting at new investors or flipping the club?
Neither. I just think he needs people to believe things are better than they really are financially, because that helps keep him and his chums afloat. Getting out of the division is what matters most, of course, from all perspectives.
He posted on X implying that supporters can't grasp the reason why Alfie May was sold. I responded calling him a patronising cnut. Then his post disappeared.
He posted on X implying that supporters can't grasp the reason why Alfie May was sold. I responded calling him a patronising cnut. Then his post disappeared.
Some supporters Cant, what he saying thats not true.
He posted on X implying that supporters can't grasp the reason why Alfie May was sold. I responded calling him a patronising cnut. Then his post disappeared.
He posted on X implying that supporters can't grasp the reason why Alfie May was sold. I responded calling him a patronising cnut. Then his post disappeared.
Some supporters Cant, what he saying thats not true.
I didn't say he said something that wasn't true. He was attacking supporters who didn't want May sold saying they didn't understand that he was sold to free up funds.
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Appleton for me goes down as the worst management appointment in living memory. Devoid of ideas,plan and personality. You would have to go some to find worse
Charlton’s Technical Director Andy Scott led the recruitment process, supported by Managing Director James Rodwell and Simon Lenagan, Sporting Director of the club’s owners Global Football Partners.
Scott commented: “The appointment of Michael comes following an in-depth recruitment process. We had a clear idea of the type of person we wanted, the way they work and how they manage.
“When speaking to the various candidates that we met, Michael demonstrated very clearly that he would have the ability to take the current group and mould them into a successful team.
“He has worked at the very top level so he understands what high standards are required to win. He is a leader on the grass, as well as in the dressing room, has a winning mentality and has had many positive and negative experiences as a manager that have shaped him into the coach that we believe will be the best person for the job.
“He is a coach who knows what it takes to get a team promoted. He has a track record of working with, and developing, young players, which is vital given our outstanding academy. In addition, he has experience working in a modern set-up where his responsibilities are on managing a group of players and getting the best out of them on the pitch.”
The young first generation inhabitants that live locally to the Valley will always follow the London Premier League giants. If Charlie ignores our long term support that has stuck with CAFC through thin and thin, the club will suffer. Will these new urban fans stay loyal and turn up for League 1 football? I doubt it.
I don't think they're attempting to ignore the current fanbase, they're just trying to grow the local one and you'd have to be stupid not to do that. Those north Kent fans he talks about aren't going to abandon the club because they make some videos about where some of our players are going to come from or because a streamer has adopted us as his L1 team. It might not work but equally it might and I think it's worth a punt. I grew up fairly local and Charlton were my "local team" while I supported a top 4 club, I now spend much more time, money and effort on Charlton than that other team. If you can hook them they'll realise how fun it can be.
The long term health of the club relies on growing the number of younger fans who will become the long term support in decades to come - that doesn’t have to come at the expense of anyone else who’s already with us. I also fundamentally disagree with the part in bold - some will never be won over but there are thousands that could be.
If we give up trying to attract new fans in attempts to appease the long term support we might as well let the club fold in 20 years.
It can only be a good thing that the club are trying new stuff to get more people on board.