The other option is that the club has put the Dabo story out there to put pressure on Sess to sign. I am sure Sess is the first choice option and Dabo is the back up but I’d be happy with either tbh.
Again, only way to 'flip' the club is to make it more valuable, only way to make it more valuable is to get us promoted, and then promoted again or at the very least challenging the top 6 in the Championship.
If you have a problem with them trying to flip the club in a few years time because that's what's happened, then that's only a good thing?!
Agree, but what makes you think this lot are any better than their predecessors ?
They might end up losing a lot of money and we might end up in another crisis.
No problem with them flipping the club, but that will need a plan, good management and investment.
What they have is a loss making football operation, so making it valuable will need a team that will fill the Valley.
Yes. They might. We might. But we haven't YET. There's no point in some of the hysteria and vitriol from some quarters RIGHT NOW.
Whilst we are in need of a right back, bringing in somebody who already it appears, has an acknowledged issue that will need managing and could flare up from time to time is not the sanest thing we could do.
I know we need to build a squad, but sadly we also have to realise that Dobson and CBT can leave on a free at the end of this season too and without them, I'm suggesting we'd have no more than one point this season...... at best
Thing is we don't know if has "an acknowledged issue that will need managing and could flare up from time to time"
It could be the case but none of us has seen the medical report.
It could that like a MOT there was a small potential issue that they have monitored and have sent him to a specialist to check.
And while we definitely need a striker or two we do need a right back.
Dabo has played more than 25 games a season with Coventry in the championship over the last three seasons so is clearly good enough on the pitch.
Yes, it is a risk but so is every signing.
If it's true that he was sent to a specialist and that he's been training with us for weeks that suggests that the club were take extra precautions.
Or if you are as jaded as some on this thread it suggests we couldn't find anyone better.
I'm far from convinced as yet by the new management set up but some of the OTT vitriol I'm reading here is masking legitimate concerns.
Harking back to when Curbs left is irrelevant. Yes, it's been a long, hard decline but we are where we are now and the current management team (AS, CM, JR and DH) need to solve the problems, it doesn't matter when they began.
As usual @Garrymanilow makes some considered points but while a full rebuild will take more than one window we do need to see some solid foundations put in place in this one. I'm not sure they have done that yet but I expect more bodies in when/if we move some out.
The new regime also need to get fans on their side.
One or two signings will not solve the problem - needs a plan that is credible and fans will support.
Again, only way to 'flip' the club is to make it more valuable, only way to make it more valuable is to get us promoted, and then promoted again or at the very least challenging the top 6 in the Championship.
If you have a problem with them trying to flip the club in a few years time because that's what's happened, then that's only a good thing?!
Agree, but what makes you think this lot are any better than their predecessors ?
They might end up losing a lot of money and we might end up in another crisis.
No problem with them flipping the club, but that will need a plan, good management and investment.
What they have is a loss making football operation, so making it valuable will need a team that will fill the Valley.
Yes. They might. We might. But we haven't YET. There's no point in some of the hysteria and vitriol from some quarters RIGHT NOW.
Again, only way to 'flip' the club is to make it more valuable, only way to make it more valuable is to get us promoted, and then promoted again or at the very least challenging the top 6 in the Championship.
If you have a problem with them trying to flip the club in a few years time because that's what's happened, then that's only a good thing?!
Agree, but what makes you think this lot are any better than their predecessors ?
They might end up losing a lot of money and we might end up in another crisis.
No problem with them flipping the club, but that will need a plan, good management and investment.
What they have is a loss making football operation, so making it valuable will need a team that will fill the Valley.
Because the people involved day to day are football people.
RD wasnt a football person he was a politician that decided he could do football differently with a network of clubs that shared information and players on the cheap, and put in place people like KM and TD who weren't suited to run/work for a club like us.
The less said about both ESI groups the better, none of them were actually competent to run a bath, let alone a football club.
TS put people like his son and his wife/girlfriend/fuck buddy in charge of many things and didn't see fit to hire anyone else for the SMT until very late on in his tenure.
This lot have people who have ran clubs before, who are ex professional footballers, ex managers, people who have been there and done that.
They have been here 4 weeks, that's nowhere near enough time to judge if they're doing to be a success or not.
But fuck me if the whining on here doesn't look like a bunch of entitled, spoilt brats that throw toys out of the pram constantly, it's tiresome.
I'd like nothing more than for them to come out, lay out a 5 year plan in front of us all, like the wankers beforehand, but then actually manage to follow through with it, but it's not going to work like that.
I'd also like them to just go and spunk £15m up the wall on players for us to absolutely walk the league and give us a really strong foundation for next season, but again it's not going to work like that.
But hey let's all sit on a football forum and constantly moan and complain and vent our spleens every day because that's going to make all the difference isn't it?
I am of course not advocating signing players with a serious, determinable above-average risk.
But from the comments above it would appear nobody criticising this possible signing has ever been responsible for signing talent (as opposed to someone to do a routine job), in a highly competitive market, with a tight deadline and where an empty chair is not an acceptable outcome.
A complete lack of awareness about what it’s like to make big decisions and therefore a lack of empathy for those that have to do it is problem with football discourse generally (and all forms of public life for that matter).
Why buy a football club then ?
These guys are not fans, have no empathy with the club and I doubt that most of the consortium will ever bother to visit the Valley. Buying a football club is not “Public Life”!!
Next you will be telling Man U fans to feel sorry for the Glazers !
Who mentioned the owners or the Glazers? I’m talking about Andy Scott and trade offs involved when assessing Dabo. All I’m reading on here is how moronic a decision it is, without anyone having all the information available and the trade offs at play. And I’m not asking anyone to ‘feel sorry’ for anyone.
Looking at some of comments I’d suggest some patience until the end of the window - there’s plenty of time to lose our shit after that if doesn’t pan out.
The other option is that the club has put the Dabo story out there to put pressure on Sess to sign. I am sure Sess is the first choice option and Dabo is the back up but I’d be happy with either tbh.
Definitely pressure for someone. Wouldn’t be surprised if Dabo’s side has put it out in a “I’m fed up training for nothing, give me a deal or I’ll go somewhere else” way
Seen all three league games and still much more optimistic about this season than the last few. No doubt we need a few quality additions but the basis of a good team for this league is here just need the injured to return and the new signings to arrive. COYR
I think it’s going to take three transfer windows to sort out our squad. Our recruitment this window in terms of quality is quite decent but in terms of depth it’s way deficient. I have little or no confidence in our defence at the moment. Edun looks a good addition and Jones still unknown but the rest look to me to be mid table. Hector has gone backwards as far as I can see and Ness appears to have done the same. We need to address the defence before we can hope of progressing up the table. I’m already resigned to it not being this season.
To be fair, without following too many of the interviews by the incoming owners, that was the impression I got anyway. It's been aid before that some of the sides that achieved promotion did it over a couple of seasons. The trick they had which we have repeatedly ignored year after year was to bring in good players and keep them so that you have a core yu can build on, rather than dismantle the squad every may and start again with a core of players you cn't offload. I know it's harder these days as most players with a sniff of promise at our level seem to end up playing for Chelsea or loaned out by them, but Ipswich were a good case for building p to a big finish and going up with a squad that knew each other. I know another two seasons at this level is going to be a pain in the arse at times, but getting ready to start complaining again six weeks into the new season when Aneke is injured and so is the back up we signed on loan from Palace is just to keep us in the same miserable spiral we have been in for years. Demanding instant results is great if you have the money to do it, but most of what I read on here was that we wanted the club stabilised and then to push on.
The fans want owners that are honest - It is a rebuild job, but we need to see a start and an end to it.
The owners mouthpiece is Methven, who is gobby and condescending and that will be a huge problem.
If they want the Valley to fill up, they need to give the fans hope. Otherwise, they will lose money like Roland and Sandgaard. My impression is they want to “flip” the club after a few years and if that’s the plan, they should tell us. Likewise, if they have no money [or not enough] then again it better we know.
No wants instant results, but what we do want is clarity about how they will turn it around.
Early signs are no good.
I'll take your word for that as I haven't paid him much attention and I've learnt to see what happens rather than rely on spin.
Do you mind my asking for who he poses a huge problem. Is that the fans, owners, management, players, media, or all?
The one message that has been put out by all involved with running our club now has been actions over words, so fingers crossed we soon see more of those actions.
Again, only way to 'flip' the club is to make it more valuable, only way to make it more valuable is to get us promoted, and then promoted again or at the very least challenging the top 6 in the Championship.
If you have a problem with them trying to flip the club in a few years time because that's what's happened, then that's only a good thing?!
Agree, but what makes you think this lot are any better than their predecessors ?
They might end up losing a lot of money and we might end up in another crisis.
No problem with them flipping the club, but that will need a plan, good management and investment.
What they have is a loss making football operation, so making it valuable will need a team that will fill the Valley.
Because the people involved day to day are football people.
RD wasnt a football person he was a politician that decided he could do football differently with a network of clubs that shared information and players on the cheap, and put in place people like KM and TD who weren't suited to run/work for a club like us.
The less said about both ESI groups the better, none of them were actually competent to run a bath, let alone a football club.
TS put people like his son and his wife/girlfriend/fuck buddy in charge of many things and didn't see fit to hire anyone else for the SMT until very late on in his tenure.
This lot have people who have ran clubs before, who are ex professional footballers, ex managers, people who have been there and done that.
They have been here 4 weeks, that's nowhere near enough time to judge if they're doing to be a success or not.
But fuck me if the whining on here doesn't look like a bunch of entitled, spoilt brats that throw toys out of the pram constantly, it's tiresome.
I'd like nothing more than for them to come out, lay out a 5 year plan in front of us all, like the wankers beforehand, but then actually manage to follow through with it, but it's not going to work like that.
I'd also like them to just go and spunk £15m up the wall on players for us to absolutely walk the league and give us a really strong foundation for next season, but again it's not going to work like that.
But hey let's all sit on a football forum and constantly moan and complain and vent our spleens every day because that's going to make all the difference isn't it?
Again, only way to 'flip' the club is to make it more valuable, only way to make it more valuable is to get us promoted, and then promoted again or at the very least challenging the top 6 in the Championship.
If you have a problem with them trying to flip the club in a few years time because that's what's happened, then that's only a good thing?!
Agree, but what makes you think this lot are any better than their predecessors ?
They might end up losing a lot of money and we might end up in another crisis.
No problem with them flipping the club, but that will need a plan, good management and investment.
What they have is a loss making football operation, so making it valuable will need a team that will fill the Valley.
Because the people involved day to day are football people.
RD wasnt a football person he was a politician that decided he could do football differently with a network of clubs that shared information and players on the cheap, and put in place people like KM and TD who weren't suited to run/work for a club like us.
The less said about both ESI groups the better, none of them were actually competent to run a bath, let alone a football club.
TS put people like his son and his wife/girlfriend/fuck buddy in charge of many things and didn't see fit to hire anyone else for the SMT until very late on in his tenure.
This lot have people who have ran clubs before, who are ex professional footballers, ex managers, people who have been there and done that.
They have been here 4 weeks, that's nowhere near enough time to judge if they're doing to be a success or not.
But fuck me if the whining on here doesn't look like a bunch of entitled, spoilt brats that throw toys out of the pram constantly, it's tiresome.
I'd like nothing more than for them to come out, lay out a 5 year plan in front of us all, like the wankers beforehand, but then actually manage to follow through with it, but it's not going to work like that.
I'd also like them to just go and spunk £15m up the wall on players for us to absolutely walk the league and give us a really strong foundation for next season, but again it's not going to work like that.
But hey let's all sit on a football forum and constantly moan and complain and vent our spleens every day because that's going to make all the difference isn't it?
Great post BigDiddy.
They have had charge of CAFC for less than a month, that is no time at all.
Seen all three league games and still much more optimistic about this season than the last few. No doubt we need a few quality additions but the basis of a good team for this league is here just need the injured to return and the new signings to arrive. COYR
I think it’s going to take three transfer windows to sort out our squad. Our recruitment this window in terms of quality is quite decent but in terms of depth it’s way deficient. I have little or no confidence in our defence at the moment. Edun looks a good addition and Jones still unknown but the rest look to me to be mid table. Hector has gone backwards as far as I can see and Ness appears to have done the same. We need to address the defence before we can hope of progressing up the table. I’m already resigned to it not being this season.
To be fair, without following too many of the interviews by the incoming owners, that was the impression I got anyway. It's been aid before that some of the sides that achieved promotion did it over a couple of seasons. The trick they had which we have repeatedly ignored year after year was to bring in good players and keep them so that you have a core yu can build on, rather than dismantle the squad every may and start again with a core of players you cn't offload. I know it's harder these days as most players with a sniff of promise at our level seem to end up playing for Chelsea or loaned out by them, but Ipswich were a good case for building p to a big finish and going up with a squad that knew each other. I know another two seasons at this level is going to be a pain in the arse at times, but getting ready to start complaining again six weeks into the new season when Aneke is injured and so is the back up we signed on loan from Palace is just to keep us in the same miserable spiral we have been in for years. Demanding instant results is great if you have the money to do it, but most of what I read on here was that we wanted the club stabilised and then to push on.
I agree. The problem being is that some of our better players (Dobbo & CBT) will come to the end of their contracts next year & may decide that our "promotion campaign 2025 " is not worth hanging around for and leave, thus making our summer "rebuild" even harder. Holden can only sell "the dream" for a certain amount of time before players think "fuck this, we aren't getting promoted anytime soon....I'm off".
Time is of the essence. The time is now.
This, next season they will be funding a huge loss in this league. We need promotion this season!
Cosgrove but competition from Blackpool and " one other that hasn't been mentioned anywhere"
Aha, how convenient. If it is Cosgrove (as rumoured both here and elsewhere) there's some ITK points. If it's literally anyone else we have something vague enough to try and claim that as ITK too. Superb work.
Cynicism aside given we apparently had a few of the Consortium turn up to watch us get turned over by Bristol then I genuinely wouldn't be amazed if that hasn't maybe opened a few eyes (and wallets) and our striker search suddenly became a bit more urgent. (NOT ITK - purely speculative.)
Cosgrove but competition from Blackpool and " one other that hasn't been mentioned anywhere"
Aha, how convenient. If it is Cosgrove (as rumoured both here and elsewhere) there's some ITK points. If it's literally anyone else we have something vague enough to try and claim that as ITK too. Superb work.
Cynicism aside given we apparently had a few of the Consortium turn up to watch us get turned over by Bristol bloody City then I genuinely wouldn't be amazed if that hasn't maybe opened a few eyes (and wallets) and our striker search suddenly became a bit more urgent. (NOT ITK - purely speculative.)
Clarke-Harris, who scored his first goal of the season in the impressive win at Barnsley on Tuesday, is on the transfer list.
MacAnthony said: “Two clubs from League One are intertested in ‘Jonno’ and a third club has just come out of nowhere.
“But I have a figure I want for him and if it isn’t met he will stay here. I’m being realistic. I’m not asking for three to four million, but you are trying to buy the best goalscorer outside the Championship. He’s the GOAT (Greatest Of All-Time) in League One.
"I paid a substantial sum for ‘Jonno’ to help us get promotion and he’s at his peak now so put your money where your mouth is if you want him.”
Clarke-Harris (29) is in the last year of his current Posh contract. He’s scored 75 goals in 151 (18 as a substitute) appearances for Posh since transferring for around £1 million from Bristol Rovers in August, 2020.
Clarke-Harris, who scored his first goal of the season in the impressive win at Barnsley on Tuesday, is on the transfer list.
MacAnthony said: “Two clubs from League One are intertested in ‘Jonno’ and a third club has just come out of nowhere.
“But I have a figure I want for him and if it isn’t met he will stay here. I’m being realistic. I’m not asking for three to four million, but you are trying to buy the best goalscorer outside the Championship. He’s the GOAT (Greatest Of All-Time) in League One.
"I paid a substantial sum for ‘Jonno’ to help us get promotion and he’s at his peak now so put your money where your mouth is if you want him.”
Clarke-Harris (29) is in the last year of his current Posh contract. He’s scored 75 goals in 151 (18 as a substitute) appearances for Posh since transferring for around £1 million from Bristol Rovers in August, 2020.
I am still convinced he would absolutely smash it with May. I saw it in his play up at their place, the ball stayed with him and some of his passes just weren't in sync with the forwards. If we signed him and he could build an understanding together with May, it would be a potent striking duo.
Sounds like he is looking for around 2 million then. Not sure if that's realistic for us at all. Or anyone in this league for that matter.
Not surprised Ronnie Edwards has premier league interest, think he's class
Seen all three league games and still much more optimistic about this season than the last few. No doubt we need a few quality additions but the basis of a good team for this league is here just need the injured to return and the new signings to arrive. COYR
I think it’s going to take three transfer windows to sort out our squad. Our recruitment this window in terms of quality is quite decent but in terms of depth it’s way deficient. I have little or no confidence in our defence at the moment. Edun looks a good addition and Jones still unknown but the rest look to me to be mid table. Hector has gone backwards as far as I can see and Ness appears to have done the same. We need to address the defence before we can hope of progressing up the table. I’m already resigned to it not being this season.
To be fair, without following too many of the interviews by the incoming owners, that was the impression I got anyway. It's been aid before that some of the sides that achieved promotion did it over a couple of seasons. The trick they had which we have repeatedly ignored year after year was to bring in good players and keep them so that you have a core yu can build on, rather than dismantle the squad every may and start again with a core of players you cn't offload. I know it's harder these days as most players with a sniff of promise at our level seem to end up playing for Chelsea or loaned out by them, but Ipswich were a good case for building p to a big finish and going up with a squad that knew each other. I know another two seasons at this level is going to be a pain in the arse at times, but getting ready to start complaining again six weeks into the new season when Aneke is injured and so is the back up we signed on loan from Palace is just to keep us in the same miserable spiral we have been in for years. Demanding instant results is great if you have the money to do it, but most of what I read on here was that we wanted the club stabilised and then to push on.
The fans want owners that are honest - It is a rebuild job, but we need to see a start and an end to it.
The owners mouthpiece is Methven, who is gobby and condescending and that will be a huge problem.
If they want the Valley to fill up, they need to give the fans hope. Otherwise, they will lose money like Roland and Sandgaard. My impression is they want to “flip” the club after a few years and if that’s the plan, they should tell us. Likewise, if they have no money [or not enough] then again it better we know.
No wants instant results, but what we do want is clarity about how they will turn it around.
Early signs are no good.
I'll take your word for that as I haven't paid him much attention and I've learnt to see what happens rather than rely on spin.
Do you mind my asking for who he poses a huge problem. Is that the fans, owners, management, players, media, or all?
If he pisses the fans off less will bother to turn up - so that’s where my point lies.
Again, only way to 'flip' the club is to make it more valuable, only way to make it more valuable is to get us promoted, and then promoted again or at the very least challenging the top 6 in the Championship.
If you have a problem with them trying to flip the club in a few years time because that's what's happened, then that's only a good thing?!
Agree, but what makes you think this lot are any better than their predecessors ?
They might end up losing a lot of money and we might end up in another crisis.
No problem with them flipping the club, but that will need a plan, good management and investment.
What they have is a loss making football operation, so making it valuable will need a team that will fill the Valley.
Because the people involved day to day are football people.
RD wasnt a football person he was a politician that decided he could do football differently with a network of clubs that shared information and players on the cheap, and put in place people like KM and TD who weren't suited to run/work for a club like us.
The less said about both ESI groups the better, none of them were actually competent to run a bath, let alone a football club.
TS put people like his son and his wife/girlfriend/fuck buddy in charge of many things and didn't see fit to hire anyone else for the SMT until very late on in his tenure.
This lot have people who have ran clubs before, who are ex professional footballers, ex managers, people who have been there and done that.
They have been here 4 weeks, that's nowhere near enough time to judge if they're doing to be a success or not.
But fuck me if the whining on here doesn't look like a bunch of entitled, spoilt brats that throw toys out of the pram constantly, it's tiresome.
I'd like nothing more than for them to come out, lay out a 5 year plan in front of us all, like the wankers beforehand, but then actually manage to follow through with it, but it's not going to work like that.
I'd also like them to just go and spunk £15m up the wall on players for us to absolutely walk the league and give us a really strong foundation for next season, but again it's not going to work like that.
But hey let's all sit on a football forum and constantly moan and complain and vent our spleens every day because that's going to make all the difference isn't it?
Great post BigDiddy.
They have had charge of CAFC for less than a month, that is no time at all.
That’s again fair enough - We all have different views
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One or two signings will not solve the problem - needs a plan that is credible and fans will support.
RD wasnt a football person he was a politician that decided he could do football differently with a network of clubs that shared information and players on the cheap, and put in place people like KM and TD who weren't suited to run/work for a club like us.
The less said about both ESI groups the better, none of them were actually competent to run a bath, let alone a football club.
TS put people like his son and his wife/girlfriend/fuck buddy in charge of many things and didn't see fit to hire anyone else for the SMT until very late on in his tenure.
This lot have people who have ran clubs before, who are ex professional footballers, ex managers, people who have been there and done that.
They have been here 4 weeks, that's nowhere near enough time to judge if they're doing to be a success or not.
But fuck me if the whining on here doesn't look like a bunch of entitled, spoilt brats that throw toys out of the pram constantly, it's tiresome.
I'd like nothing more than for them to come out, lay out a 5 year plan in front of us all, like the wankers beforehand, but then actually manage to follow through with it, but it's not going to work like that.
I'd also like them to just go and spunk £15m up the wall on players for us to absolutely walk the league and give us a really strong foundation for next season, but again it's not going to work like that.
But hey let's all sit on a football forum and constantly moan and complain and vent our spleens every day because that's going to make all the difference isn't it?
Surely we've all read enough hysterical ranting?
Do you mind my asking for who he poses a huge problem. Is that the fans, owners, management, players, media, or all?
They have had charge of CAFC for less than a month, that is no time at all.
Cosgrove but competition from Blackpool and " one other that hasn't been mentioned anywhere"
Sorry didn't make it clear but the latter .
Cynicism aside given we apparently had a few of the Consortium turn up to watch us get turned over by Bristol then I genuinely wouldn't be amazed if that hasn't maybe opened a few eyes (and wallets) and our striker search suddenly became a bit more urgent. (NOT ITK - purely speculative.)
Clarke-Harris, who scored his first goal of the season in the impressive win at Barnsley on Tuesday, is on the transfer list.
MacAnthony said: “Two clubs from League One are intertested in ‘Jonno’ and a third club has just come out of nowhere.
“But I have a figure I want for him and if it isn’t met he will stay here. I’m being realistic. I’m not asking for three to four million, but you are trying to buy the best goalscorer outside the Championship. He’s the GOAT (Greatest Of All-Time) in League One.
"I paid a substantial sum for ‘Jonno’ to help us get promotion and he’s at his peak now so put your money where your mouth is if you want him.”
Clarke-Harris (29) is in the last year of his current Posh contract. He’s scored 75 goals in 151 (18 as a substitute) appearances for Posh since transferring for around £1 million from Bristol Rovers in August, 2020.
Sounds like he is looking for around 2 million then. Not sure if that's realistic for us at all. Or anyone in this league for that matter.
Not surprised Ronnie Edwards has premier league interest, think he's class