England Cricket 2023

golfaddick

randy andy said:

Looking at the forecast I reckon we'll see an hour or two's play tomorrow, and double that Sunday. So 3 to 5 hours play. Hopefully that's enough.

From what I've seen from the forecast tonight I highly doubt it. I even think we might not get any more play. 

Sunday is looking so much worse than it was 2 days ago. The rain on Saturday is now doubling back on Sunday & just hanging over Manchester for most of the day. 

Looks awful. 

randy andy

Looking at AccuWeather, there's better than a 50/50 chance we'll get the afternoon session tomorrow. Sunday it's a 30-40% chance of rain in every 1 hour slot, so on average you expect to get two third of the play.

Obviously they're just forecasts and we're going to need a lot of luck, but I don't think my original estimates will be a million miles from reality.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/old-trafford/m16-0/hourly-weather-forecast/53686_poi

Callumcafc

randy andy said:

Looking at AccuWeather, there's better than a 50/50 chance we'll get the afternoon session tomorrow. Sunday it's a 30-40% chance of rain in every 1 hour slot, so on average you expect to get two third of the play.

Obviously they're just forecasts and we're going to need a lot of luck, but I don't think my original estimates will be a million miles from reality.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/old-trafford/m16-0/hourly-weather-forecast/53686_poi

Hopefully they are right and the Met Office / BBC weather are wrong...

kinveachyaddick

No issue with the decision making in this test bar the decision to play Anderson ahead of Tongue. Only way we can win is by batting once so we needed to get runs on the board today. But the First Test declaration was plain stupid as plenty of us said on here at the time. Will end up costing us the Ashes…

killerandflash

The weather forecast for the Oval doesn't look great either. It'll be so frustrating if weather ends up deciding the last 2 Tests

MillwallFan

oohaahmortimer said:

Draw 1.61
England 2.62 

forecast a nightmare 

Shouldn’t be allowed, test cricket in Manchester. Always bloody rains there 

oohaahmortimer

Draw 1.69
England 2.4

Found an app that shows a small chance Sunday 🤪

Addick Addict

Draw 1.50
England 2.94

oohaahmortimer

1.42 draw
3.35 England


still it was enjoyable watching us bat 

Todds_right_hook

oohaahmortimer said:

1.42 draw
3.35 England


still it was enjoyable watching us bat 

You aren't going to let this go are you?

if two days are lost due to weather, it doesn't make any difference that England didn't declare. We might have reduced our lead by 60 by declaring earlier but Australia could be 150-4 or 5 with the strong possibility that England would have to bat a agin. 

In this instance, I don't think the lack of declaration will change the end result 

oohaahmortimer

I’ll let it go once everyone admits I’m right 🙄

My issue is we never gave ourselves the chance , the window of opportunity today /tomorrow was always unknown but at all times during this week it looked like weekend game time was gonna be minimal  …
we didn’t bat crazy aggressive Thursday night /Friday morning to push the game on and now that chance has gone 
of course a draw may have happened even a loss but we never had a chance unless the weather was gonna give us more time miraculously 
if we needed 120 off 10 overs then it’s still a chance rather than no chance 

ProperCharlton

Looks like there's a chance we can get some play in this afternoon

Cafc43v3r

ProperCharlton said:

Looks like there's a chance we can get some play in this afternoon

They will get on for half an hour then take tea...

North Lower Neil

ProperCharlton said:

Looks like there's a chance we can get some play in this afternoon

I'm not sure that leaves enough time to dry the pitch etc.

Sillybilly

If it’s any consolation it’s a beautiful sunny morning here in the south of the Isle of Wight.  No, didn’t think it would be…….

Addick Addict

It's not just the fact that the rain has got to stop. The outfield has to be made playable and by the time that happens the next shower will, no doubt, unfortunately arrive. That said (and this might just be momentum traders) but the draw has in the last hour gone from a low of 1.42 back out to 1.60. We can but hope. 

ProperCharlton

North Lower Neil said:

ProperCharlton said:

Looks like there's a chance we can get some play in this afternoon

I'm not sure that leaves enough time to dry the pitch etc.

I'm just trying to stay positive! 😂

North Lower Neil

Always seemed like Saturday would be a wash out, it's just that Sunday looked like we'd get a session in, now that looks terrible too.

Todds_right_hook

oohaahmortimer said:

I’ll let it go once everyone admits I’m right 🙄

My issue is we never gave ourselves the chance , the window of opportunity today /tomorrow was always unknown but at all times during this week it looked like weekend game time was gonna be minimal  …
we didn’t bat crazy aggressive Thursday night /Friday morning to push the game on and now that chance has gone 
of course a draw may have happened even a loss but we never had a chance unless the weather was gonna give us more time miraculously 
if we needed 120 off 10 overs then it’s still a chance rather than no chance 

Shall we shake on the 1.42 and call it a draw

if it was day 4 I would agree but on day 3, we had to get score board pressure runs on the board and bat once

Cafc43v3r

The declaration was too late IF we get them 8 down still needing more than 100 to win.  Else it's timing is irrelevant.

Todds_right_hook

Cafc43v3r said:

The declaration was too late IF we get them 8 down still needing more than 100 to win.  Else it's timing is irrelevant.

What if we declared 50 runs earlier, bowl them
out and have 2 overs to hit 50?

oohaahmortimer

Todds_right_hook said:

oohaahmortimer said:

I’ll let it go once everyone admits I’m right 🙄

My issue is we never gave ourselves the chance , the window of opportunity today /tomorrow was always unknown but at all times during this week it looked like weekend game time was gonna be minimal  …
we didn’t bat crazy aggressive Thursday night /Friday morning to push the game on and now that chance has gone 
of course a draw may have happened even a loss but we never had a chance unless the weather was gonna give us more time miraculously 
if we needed 120 off 10 overs then it’s still a chance rather than no chance 

Shall we shake on the 1.42 and call it a draw

if it was day 4 I would agree but on day 3, we had to get score board pressure runs on the board and bat once

It was affectively day 4 with todays forecast🥴

Happy to shake hands 🤝 on a draw cos that’s what it will be 

bobmunro

Stopped raining where I am - about 45 miles south of Manchester!

i know, that's about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

Cafc43v3r

bobmunro said:

Stopped raining where I am - about 45 miles south of Manchester!

i know, that's about as much use as a chocolate teapot.

It's stopped raining about 45 miles north east as well! 

kentaddick

Doubt we’ll get any play today, even if the rain eases, we still have to wait for the outfield to drain. Think we need 2 more full sessions to do it, but I don’t think we’ll get it looking at tomorrow.

Addick Addict

The only reason we are losing this series is because we lacked pragmatism in the first two Tests - declaring in the first one and then batting like idiots when we had our hands round their throats in the second. Because of those mistakes we've gone from the attitude of "we just want the guys to go out and bat the way they want to bat" to actually adapting to the circumstances and doing what we do best when it is the right time to do that. And that is great to see.

As much as we have been the better side, we also have to recognise that we have had the rub of the green up until this Test and the weather - we are at home, we won all four tosses and we mostly had the best of the conditions. So we should be winning with this side and those advantages. The fact we aren't is very much the thing to learn from this series. 

Leuth

Gonna wake up screaming as I recall Pope's shot in the first innings at Lords a few times 

bobmunro

Addick Addict said:

The only reason we are losing this series is because we lacked pragmatism in the first two Tests - declaring in the first one and then batting like idiots when we had our hands round their throats in the second. Because of those mistakes we've gone from the attitude of "we just want the guys to go out and bat the way they want to bat" to actually adapting to the circumstances and doing what we do best when it is the right time to do that. And that is great to see.

As much as we have been the better side, we also have to recognise that we have had the rub of the green up until this Test and the weather - we are at home, we won all four tosses and we mostly had the best of the conditions. So we should be winning with this side and those advantages. The fact we aren't is very much the thing to learn from this series. 

I think you can add the injury to Nathan Lyon to that list.

ProperCharlton

Addick Addict

Leuth said:

Gonna wake up screaming as I recall Pope's shot in the first innings at Lords a few times 

My nightmare was Root's innings and the braindead way in which we gave the advantage to a team missing the guy, mid match, who was playing his 100th consecutive Test. It was Root trying to bat in a way that he thought people wanted to see rather than the way that people actually want him to see him bat.

38.4 Green to Root, (no ball)

Gloved to Carey! Green has two in the over! No he doesn't! It's a no ball! Root survives. A huge cheer goes up at Lord's. Bouncer down leg, Root was through the pull shot too soon and gloved it through to Carey but he overstepped

45.3 Starc to Root, OUT

Australia have bounced out three in this crazy passage of play