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At least we have avoided the follow on.0
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that's a jennings-esque dismissal from crawley there, very poor.1
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No more before the close lads please0
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Anything England do, Australia will do better:(
Really getting pissed off with Crawley!0 -
I'm afraid that he's been doing that all his career. Everyone knows how poor his average is for both county and country but McCullum, Stokes and Key have repeatedly talked about him producing match winning contributions. He simply does not do that because his few big scores were not match winning contributions.kentaddick said:that's a jennings-esque dismissal from crawley there, very poor.2 -
Crawler’s a waste of time. Surely they can see that0
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CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM3 -
Crawley’s inability to absolutely make hay after doing the hard work, does really grind my gears3
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So, we've made more in our first innings of this match than we did in our first innings of the last time we played them at Headingley. And that went quite well.0
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That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.3 -
england definitely win the day.0
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What?! It's even at best for Englandkentaddick said:england definitely win the day.1 -
If we’re doing 1 point per session, I’d give it 1.75 to England, 1.25 to Australia.
England win the morning, Australia win the afternoon.
England clean up the tail and get another half point post tea.
Closing at 68-3 splits that 20 over spell between the two teams IMO. 60-4 and I give it to the Aussies, 80-2 and it would’ve been England’s.
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Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?0 -
Crawley is half-way through his likely innings in the series and he has a better average than Warner and Labouschagne, both of whom have more experience in Ashes series in England than he does. He has the highest strike rate of anyone who has played more than one innings in the series so far. Only one player - Joe Root - has taken more catches without the gloves, on either side. He's outperforming his career batting average.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
Crawley isn't the reason we're 2-0 down in the series.4 -
Chizz said:
Crawley is half-way through his likely innings in the series and he has a better average than Warner and Labouschagne, both of whom have more experience in Ashes series in England than he does. He has the highest strike rate of anyone who has played more than one innings in the series so far. Only one player - Joe Root - has taken more catches without the gloves, on either side. He's outperforming his career batting average.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
Crawley isn't the reason we're 2-0 down in the series.
Again Chizz you do what when formulating an argument and that is be extremely selective with your stats. Try looking at Warner (44.84) and Labuschagne (54.12) for historical averages. His history in Ashes is also irrelevant because he has been consistently rubbish against most teams in the world bar Pakistan. Try not using phrases like "he is outperforming his career average" when you are starting from such a low base. Strike rates are also irrelevant in Test cricket when your average opening is 26.49.
I have never said that Crawley is the issue we are 2-0 down. I have consistently argued that he is not good enough to open in Test cricket and that we should have given someone else the opportunity to do so in the same way as we gave Duckett that opportunity. Not wait more 70 innings, as it will be come the end of this series, for him to confirm time after time what he has always done.1 -
And Crawley is one of our own - he’s an Addick - so I’m prepared to give him some slack.2
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You are a very strange manChizz said:
Crawley is half-way through his likely innings in the series and he has a better average than Warner and Labouschagne, both of whom have more experience in Ashes series in England than he does. He has the highest strike rate of anyone who has played more than one innings in the series so far. Only one player - Joe Root - has taken more catches without the gloves, on either side. He's outperforming his career batting average.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
Crawley isn't the reason we're 2-0 down in the series.4 -
We will have given Crawley 37 matches and 69 opportunities to bat. More than any batsman than we have ever done. So, if that's the benchmark, then, perhaps that's the benchmark. As to who to pick, we might have to go down the Duckett route and pick someone who hasn't opened but Crawley has never scored a bundle of runs for anyone - be it club (Sevenoaks Vine 1s average 25.71), county (Kent average 30.63) or country (England average 28.42) so that can't be McCullum's criteria for picking an opener anyway. Consistently scoring 28 off 35 balls or so does not help any Test side.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
I said before the Series began that I would have opened with Bairstow instead of Crawley and kept Foakes as keeper. I would still have done that. I've also said that I would like to see Sam Hain given a chance somewhere. The truth is, though, that through injury and poor decision making on and off the pitch we have got ourselves in a bit of a mess.2 - Sponsored links:
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Oh. You think Crawley is the reason we're 2-0 down. Fair enough. I don't agree.blackpool72 said:
You are a very strange manChizz said:
Crawley is half-way through his likely innings in the series and he has a better average than Warner and Labouschagne, both of whom have more experience in Ashes series in England than he does. He has the highest strike rate of anyone who has played more than one innings in the series so far. Only one player - Joe Root - has taken more catches without the gloves, on either side. He's outperforming his career batting average.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
Crawley isn't the reason we're 2-0 down in the series.0 -
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Dropping catches loses matches0
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Add in that he's actually doing alright in the ashes so far. Couple of decent scores and a couple of low scores but he's been starting the innings off with a bit of impetus and very much has set the tone for our innings.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
And that's coming from someone who's been calling for his head for a while. He's not undropable but he's bought himself a little time.1 -
I don't understand your first sentence.Addick Addict said:Chizz said:
Crawley is half-way through his likely innings in the series and he has a better average than Warner and Labouschagne, both of whom have more experience in Ashes series in England than he does. He has the highest strike rate of anyone who has played more than one innings in the series so far. Only one player - Joe Root - has taken more catches without the gloves, on either side. He's outperforming his career batting average.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
Crawley isn't the reason we're 2-0 down in the series.
Again Chizz you do what when formulating an argument and that is be extremely selective with your stats. Try looking at Warner (44.84) and Labuschagne (54.12) for historical averages. His history in Ashes is also irrelevant because he has been consistently rubbish against most teams in the world bar Pakistan. Try not using phrases like "he is outperforming his career average" when you are starting from such a low base. Strike rates are also irrelevant in Test cricket when your average opening is 26.49.
I have never said that Crawley is the issue we are 2-0 down. I have consistently argued that he is not good enough to open in Test cricket and that we should have given someone else the opportunity to do so in the same way as we gave Duckett that opportunity. Not wait more 70 innings, as it will be come the end of this series, for him to confirm time after time what he has always done.
Happy to look - briefly - at other players' historical averages, but we're not playing a historical series right now. The point I'm making is that Crawley is outscoring both Warner and Labuschagne, who both have much more experience than him, yet there's little clamour for both of them to be dropped.
(I wasn't aware that there's a rule which states strike rates in current series are not to be discussed if a player's career batting average is below a certain threshold).
I didn't say that you said Crawley is the reason we're 2-0 down. In fact, I didn't even post in response to you.
You're perfectly entitled to your view that Crawley isn't good enough to open in Test cricket. I disagree, and so, apparently, does the Captain, Coach and Managing Director of England cricket. I suppose if their view were challenged, they might ask who is better suited to open for England. But, for now, as an exciting, dominating, fast-scoring opener, who is also a very accomplished slip catcher, I think he's doing ok, although I hope his scores continue to improve.
I also don't know who would fill the role better. And, more importantly, it seems those whose views are much more relevant are of a similar opinion.
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Yeah I think now is probably the totally wrong time to drop him, if you were going to.cantersaddick said:
Add in that he's actually doing alright in the ashes so far. Couple of decent scores and a couple of low scores but he's been starting the innings off with a bit of impetus and very much has set the tone for our innings.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
And that's coming from someone who's been calling for his head for a while. He's not undropable but he's bought himself a little time.0 -
Maybe leave it until after our second innings before dropping him..?Cafc43v3r said:
Yeah I think now is probably the totally wrong time to drop him, if you were going to.cantersaddick said:
Add in that he's actually doing alright in the ashes so far. Couple of decent scores and a couple of low scores but he's been starting the innings off with a bit of impetus and very much has set the tone for our innings.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
And that's coming from someone who's been calling for his head for a while. He's not undropable but he's bought himself a little time.0 -
Stop making things up.Chizz said:
Oh. You think Crawley is the reason we're 2-0 down. Fair enough. I don't agree.blackpool72 said:
You are a very strange manChizz said:
Crawley is half-way through his likely innings in the series and he has a better average than Warner and Labouschagne, both of whom have more experience in Ashes series in England than he does. He has the highest strike rate of anyone who has played more than one innings in the series so far. Only one player - Joe Root - has taken more catches without the gloves, on either side. He's outperforming his career batting average.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
Crawley isn't the reason we're 2-0 down in the series.
I never said that and I don't think anyone else has either.1 -
Then you have the luck of being in agreement with me!blackpool72 said:
Stop making things up.Chizz said:
Oh. You think Crawley is the reason we're 2-0 down. Fair enough. I don't agree.blackpool72 said:
You are a very strange manChizz said:
Crawley is half-way through his likely innings in the series and he has a better average than Warner and Labouschagne, both of whom have more experience in Ashes series in England than he does. He has the highest strike rate of anyone who has played more than one innings in the series so far. Only one player - Joe Root - has taken more catches without the gloves, on either side. He's outperforming his career batting average.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
Crawley isn't the reason we're 2-0 down in the series.
I never said that and I don't think anyone else has either.0 -
I doubt we will ever agree on anything when it comes to cricket.Chizz said:
Then you have the luck of being in agreement with me!blackpool72 said:
Stop making things up.Chizz said:
Oh. You think Crawley is the reason we're 2-0 down. Fair enough. I don't agree.blackpool72 said:
You are a very strange manChizz said:
Crawley is half-way through his likely innings in the series and he has a better average than Warner and Labouschagne, both of whom have more experience in Ashes series in England than he does. He has the highest strike rate of anyone who has played more than one innings in the series so far. Only one player - Joe Root - has taken more catches without the gloves, on either side. He's outperforming his career batting average.Cafc43v3r said:
Don't get me wrong I would have dropped Crawley ages ago but...Addick Addict said:
That is one innings and admittedly that is more than his Test average of 28.42. Crawley has the lowest Test average at 26.49 for any batsman opening 50 plus times from any country in the history of the game. That is an achievement in itself.Cafc43v3r said:
CrAwLeY iS tHe PrObLeM
Edit - since I last ran that query, Crawley has, actually moved up to 93rd of the 98 batsmen who have opened that many times. Below him are Powell (WI), Ganga (WI), Kayes (Bang), Smith (WI) and Omar (Bang). He is bottom of the 17 English batsmen but, by definition, most England openers get dropped, with such a low average, a long time before they reach 50 innings.
I would never have picked Duckett to open either. There isn't a Matthew Hadden or Marcus Trescothick type opener scoring buddle of runs amd England, currently, wouldn't pick an Atherton type opener even if there was one.
Who do we pick that's significantly better than Crawley and how long do we give them?
Crawley isn't the reason we're 2-0 down in the series.
I never said that and I don't think anyone else has either.1
