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England Cricket 2023

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  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,941
    Smith is the one we need to get. That stat of him averaging 87.57 in the first innings of a match in Test cricket is absolutely staggering - 4,641 runs in 61 innings of which he was not 8 times
    Saw the stat yesterday that since he came back from the sandpaper ban, he's averaged a century every 2.7 innings, crazy.
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,511
    Awful by Bairstow
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,664
    As we talk Bairstow drops another 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,906
    Now imagine if we had archer fully fit...
    Or even Stone, Mahmood, Overton fit for the first 2 matches. Would have made a difference.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,957
    Disaster from Bairstow.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,906
    Woakes has been bowling quicker than I realised he was capable of. Regularly in the mid 80s. Quicker than Broad Anderson and Robinson have bowled for most of the series. I know its a quick pitch but it's good to see.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,751
    edited July 2023
    .Addick Addict said:
    I can't say whether Foakes would have caught that one or not but I do know that, generally speaking, Foakes' movement of the feet is much the better of the two and that does mean that he isn't quite so flat footed when he does have to dive
    And there is an example of lack of movement of the feet. Bairstow dives far more from that standing position and in fact I would argue that Foakes will take some of those without the need to dive
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    I'm going to crawl back into my hole now  :D That's shocking from Jonny
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,941
    Bairstow over Foakes is proving to be the mistake most people thought it was.
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,511
    Yes!! Think even I might have caught that one!
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  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    Broad you fucking beauty!!!
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,751
    That has to be an inside edge doesn't it?
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,664
    I'm going to crawl back into my hole now  :D That's shocking from Jonny
    Quick climb back out, he's just caught one 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,751
    That has to be an inside edge doesn't it?
    WTF was that Smith???? Thanks anyway!!!
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    absolutely quality morning from england.
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,511
    Nice wasted review too!
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    Smith is such a wanker. Pretending like he didn't know he hit it 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,312
    Foakes would have done keepy-uppies with that and then volleyed it into the stumps
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,751
    That is one aspect that suits the Aussies about this wicket. They can do what they do at home and that is to leave on length in the knowledge that the ball is going over the stumps. 
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,239
    I don’t entirely blame Bairstow but he is costing us. I'm not putting Foakes on a false pedestal I just think he would have caught everything Bairstow hasn't 

    Great bowling this morning 
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  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    Mark Wood that's the best 1 for i've ever seen  :D
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,751
    Try driving that Mitch!!!!
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,664
    Fantastic morning session that.
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    big W in the session column for england. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    I was dubious abut putting the Aussies in .. but I'm not now lol  :*B)
  • Wellred
    Wellred Posts: 1,118
    Good start 4 out brilliant 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Whilst there's no doubting that Foakes is the best keeper, he's dropped plenty in an England shirt too.
    All keeper's drop catches no ones perfect. 
    But there's no denying Foakes is a far superior keeper than Bairstow. 
    And Bairstow is the far superior batsman.
    Not when taking the gloves he isn't.

    Edit - that isn't actually true because from what I can see Bairstow averages 37.08 when keeper and 36.62 when keeper. Foakes averages 32.20 so the differential is 4.88 runs per innings. It's a question then of quantifying how many runs and games Foakes' mistakes have cost us compared to Bairstow
    In this case I don't think the averages tell the full story.  I don't think, since the introduction of central contracts, a player has been messed about as much as Bairstow.  Foakes hasn't been moved up and down the order, gloves on, gloves off.

    Bairstow should bat at 6 without the gloves, the problem with that is either the all rounder or the keeper has to bat in the top 5.  If Stokes can't bowl it's another riddle that needs solving. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Wood now has 4 of the 6 fastest spells in England.  The other two?  Not quick Brett Lee :wink:
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,941
    edited July 2023
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Whilst there's no doubting that Foakes is the best keeper, he's dropped plenty in an England shirt too.
    All keeper's drop catches no ones perfect. 
    But there's no denying Foakes is a far superior keeper than Bairstow. 
    And Bairstow is the far superior batsman.
    Not when taking the gloves he isn't.

    Edit - that isn't actually true because from what I can see Bairstow averages 37.08 when keeper and 36.62 when keeper. Foakes averages 32.20 so the differential is 4.88 runs per innings. It's a question then of quantifying how many runs and games Foakes' mistakes have cost us compared to Bairstow
    In this case I don't think the averages tell the full story.  I don't think, since the introduction of central contracts, a player has been messed about as much as Bairstow.  Foakes hasn't been moved up and down the order, gloves on, gloves off.

    Bairstow should bat at 6 without the gloves, the problem with that is either the all rounder or the keeper has to bat in the top 5.  If Stokes can't bowl it's another riddle that needs solving. 
    The answer to the riddle was obvious though - Brook took Bairstow's place, did well, Bairstow had to wait for a chance in the top order (which may have been this match following injury to Pope, but possibly not given Stokes can't bowl this Test).

    Unlucky for Bairstow but it happens, you get injured and some bloke does well in your place.

    Foakes didn't deserve to be dropped.

    We all know Bairstow was preferred largely because he's mates with Stokes, Root etc.
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,896
    Leuth said:
    Foakes would have done keepy-uppies with that and then volleyed it into the stumps

    Obviously he'd write his initials on the shiny side first