Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

Cafc43v3r

ForeverAddickted said:

Going to be Jason Euell at this rate isnt it.

I cant find the interview where Thomas spoke about the presentation Jason Euell did that he said he was so impressed with.  He was on my original top 5 of who I thought it would be.  Cawley has ruled one out and another won't get a work permit......

Leuth

I had that thought today too. Feels like a last resort, but probably preferable to a lot of 'external' options too...

ShootersHillGuru

Nothing against Jason but I hope it’s not him. We need a new approach and I’m sorry but Jason won’t give us that. 

cafcfan1990

ShootersHillGuru said:

Nothing against Jason but I hope it’s not him. We need a new approach and I’m sorry but Jason won’t give us that. 

We don’t know that for sure though do we. Bowyer was completely different to Robinson for example 

MuttleyCAFC

They could spin some BS about the more they looked, the more they kept going back to Euell. Then they could contradict that with clauses in his contract to get rid if it isn't working in a timely fashion. But we wouldn't focus on those and then he either succeeds or fails but at least if it is the latter we still have a chance to try somebody else and still affect our season. And he could very well succeed. Why not?

DA9

Most managers would have a high percentage rate managing “ra sellik” or Rangers purely on the basis of serious competition.

Look at it like this, I dislike Lennon intensely, because he is a vile maggot, NOT because he is a former ***tic manager, for instance, I would take Brendan Rodgers in a heartbeat (ridiculous as that is)

MuttleyCAFC

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Nothing against Jason but I hope it’s not him. We need a new approach and I’m sorry but Jason won’t give us that. 

We don’t know that for sure though do we. Bowyer was completely different to Robinson for example 

Exactly right. Euell will have his own ideas.

Gribbo

KBslittlesis said:

Is it just the Celtic thing that put people off Lennon?
Genuinely interested in the answer.

Yes

The Red Robin

If Euell was the most impressive candidate then what’s he problem. If we’re honest, he’s more experienced and qualified than Jacko and should probably have been given the chance ahead of Jackson last time round. He’s also an England U20 coach. 

Having said all that, I don’t think it will be him as I doubt TS can be bothered with the backlash of some thinking it’s no different. 

seth plum

For what it's worth I think jason Euell has had a more independent trajectory than some might think.
Euell was U23 when Robinson was here, and he was left in situ when Jacko and Bowyer was around. Then Bowyer worked with Jacko, then Adkins worked with Jacko, then Jacko worked with Euell, but was still minded to bring in Skivington.
In the interim Euell has had some side hustles in relation to England I believe.
I have no idea if Jason Euell would work out, but I believe he sees himself as his own man, he did well with the U23's so that might indicate something.

ElliotCAFC

Cafc43v3r said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Going to be Jason Euell at this rate isnt it.

I cant find the interview where Thomas spoke about the presentation Jason Euell did that he said he was so impressed with.  He was on my original top 5 of who I thought it would be.  Cawley has ruled one out and another won't get a work permit......

I’m 90% sure the interview is from the Player Of The Year Dinner where he’s talking about Jason Pearce, not Jason Euell. 

I think Pearce presented to him in relation to getting a coaching role at the club. Happy to be proven wrong as I haven’t listened to it since. 

FishCostaFortune

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Nothing against Jason but I hope it’s not him. We need a new approach and I’m sorry but Jason won’t give us that. 

We don’t know that for sure though do we. Bowyer was completely different to Robinson for example 

We don’t indeed, but if we were to employ someone for example like a Matt Taylor we are more likely to have more of an idea about how they will perform - and if at least if they can be successful - in the actual manager role. Where as for me, currently Euell has just been part of the same coaching set up that has been producing terrible football for a long time now.

Of course there are not guarantees either way, and l am not saying that Euell may not be an exceptional manager. But I would rather whoever we did employ had a body of work, working in the actual role then taking a punt on someone who has not*.

In short I don’t feel like we can take a punt on someone who has not had proven success in the role at the current juncture of where we are.

*That being said I would of course very much welcome Beale, so what do I know.

Redmidland

Cafc43v3r said:

Redmidland said:

I don't wish to go against many peoples opinions on here, but could it be, I know this maybe a little whimsical, that we have selected our next manager already and they in turn have handed a player shopping list to TS, but we haven't made an announcement yet due to them being at a club that's still playing?
Just a thought. 

It's possible but I am sure if that was the case it would have leaked by now.  Too many people would know.

Sorry I completely disagree, no one on here has a clue who has been interviewed, or is still, maybe, to be interviewed, if you stick a tenner on just one of the candidates the odds will shorten dramatically! Even the bookies are struggling to have a 'cast iron favourite' as odds keep changing with no one as a complete stand out 'hot' name.
TS and Co seem to be doing things under the radar....not a bad thing in my opinion.
Afterall look at the arguments on here about who it should/shouldn't be. Only time will tell if I might be right, but it's not a bad theory.

Cafc43v3r

ElliotCAFC said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Going to be Jason Euell at this rate isnt it.

I cant find the interview where Thomas spoke about the presentation Jason Euell did that he said he was so impressed with.  He was on my original top 5 of who I thought it would be.  Cawley has ruled one out and another won't get a work permit......

I’m 90% sure the interview is from the Player Of The Year Dinner where he’s talking about Jason Pearce, not Jason Euell. 

I think Pearce presented to him in relation to getting a coaching role at the club. Happy to be proven wrong as I haven’t listened to it since. 

I read it somewhere it could have been a transcript of that interview and mistranscribed.

Henry Irving

ElliotCAFC said:

Cafc43v3r said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Going to be Jason Euell at this rate isnt it.

I cant find the interview where Thomas spoke about the presentation Jason Euell did that he said he was so impressed with.  He was on my original top 5 of who I thought it would be.  Cawley has ruled one out and another won't get a work permit......

I’m 90% sure the interview is from the Player Of The Year Dinner where he’s talking about Jason Pearce, not Jason Euell. 

I think Pearce presented to him in relation to getting a coaching role at the club. Happy to be proven wrong as I haven’t listened to it since. 

That was my recollection 

ElliotCAFC

Redmidland said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Redmidland said:

I don't wish to go against many peoples opinions on here, but could it be, I know this maybe a little whimsical, that we have selected our next manager already and they in turn have handed a player shopping list to TS, but we haven't made an announcement yet due to them being at a club that's still playing?
Just a thought. 

It's possible but I am sure if that was the case it would have leaked by now.  Too many people would know.

Sorry I completely disagree, no one on here has a clue who has been interviewed, or is still, maybe, to be interviewed, if you stick a tenner on just one of the candidates the odds will shorten dramatically! Even the bookies are struggling to have a 'cast iron favourite' as odds keep changing with no one as a complete stand out 'hot' name.
TS and Co seem to be doing things under the radar....not a bad thing in my opinion.
Afterall look at the arguments on here about who it should/shouldn't be. Only time will tell if I might be right, but it's not a bad theory.

Has that ever happened? I think there’s way too many loose lips in football nowadays for a manager to go behind his own clubs back and neither party leak it. 

If it was at a club still playing, it would have to be League Two level. I can’t see us being interested in poaching a manager from Swindon, Port Vale or Mansfield.

BR7_addick

I know we’re restless and hungover from last season but is it really taking that long when you consider Barnsley, Blackburn, Burnley, Crawley, Forest Green, Hartlepool, QPR and Salford are all in the same position?  And that’s not including others whose owners haven’t sacked them yet!  Just a thought.  As long as it’s done before the first day of training for me, and as long as it’s right.

Redmidland

ElliotCAFC said:

Redmidland said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Redmidland said:

I don't wish to go against many peoples opinions on here, but could it be, I know this maybe a little whimsical, that we have selected our next manager already and they in turn have handed a player shopping list to TS, but we haven't made an announcement yet due to them being at a club that's still playing?
Just a thought. 

It's possible but I am sure if that was the case it would have leaked by now.  Too many people would know.

Sorry I completely disagree, no one on here has a clue who has been interviewed, or is still, maybe, to be interviewed, if you stick a tenner on just one of the candidates the odds will shorten dramatically! Even the bookies are struggling to have a 'cast iron favourite' as odds keep changing with no one as a complete stand out 'hot' name.
TS and Co seem to be doing things under the radar....not a bad thing in my opinion.
Afterall look at the arguments on here about who it should/shouldn't be. Only time will tell if I might be right, but it's not a bad theory.

Has that ever happened? I think there’s way too many loose lips in football nowadays for a manager to go behind his own clubs back and neither party leak it. 

If it was at a club still playing, it would have to be League Two level. I can’t see us being interested in poaching a manager from Swindon, Port Vale or Mansfield.

Could be Prem....Beale?

Cafc43v3r

Redmidland said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Redmidland said:

I don't wish to go against many peoples opinions on here, but could it be, I know this maybe a little whimsical, that we have selected our next manager already and they in turn have handed a player shopping list to TS, but we haven't made an announcement yet due to them being at a club that's still playing?
Just a thought. 

It's possible but I am sure if that was the case it would have leaked by now.  Too many people would know.

Sorry I completely disagree, no one on here has a clue who has been interviewed, or is still, maybe, to be interviewed, if you stick a tenner on just one of the candidates the odds will shorten dramatically! Even the bookies are struggling to have a 'cast iron favourite' as odds keep changing with no one as a complete stand out 'hot' name.
TS and Co seem to be doing things under the radar....not a bad thing in my opinion.
Afterall look at the arguments on here about who it should/shouldn't be. Only time will tell if I might be right, but it's not a bad theory.

If they were already employed they would know, half a dozen people at Charlton would know, half a dozen people at their club would know.  Someone would probably be tapped up for the job they currently had so potentially that's half a dozen more.

Someone potentially having an interview, probably by zoom, could potentially be a handful of people if that.

That's before you factor in anyone approached on the shopping list.

golfaddick

Redmidland said:

I don't wish to go against many peoples opinions on here, but could it be, I know this maybe a little whimsical, that we have selected our next manager already and they in turn have handed a player shopping list to TS, but we haven't made an announcement yet due to them being at a club that's still playing?
Just a thought. 

As I said on the "name the day" thread.

Its Klopp.

KBslittlesis

Gribbo said:

KBslittlesis said:

Is it just the Celtic thing that put people off Lennon?
Genuinely interested in the answer.

Yes

Pathetic 

cafcfan1990

FishCostaFortune said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Nothing against Jason but I hope it’s not him. We need a new approach and I’m sorry but Jason won’t give us that. 

We don’t know that for sure though do we. Bowyer was completely different to Robinson for example 

We don’t indeed, but if we were to employ someone for example like a Matt Taylor we are more likely to have more of an idea about how they will perform - and if at least if they can be successful - in the actual manager role. Where as for me, currently Euell has just been part of the same coaching set up that has been producing terrible football for a long time now.

Of course there are not guarantees either way, and l am not saying that Euell may not be an exceptional manager. But I would rather whoever we did employ had a body of work, working in the actual role then taking a punt on someone who has not*.

In short I don’t feel like we can take a punt on someone who has not had proven success in the role at the current juncture of where we are.

*That being said I would of course very much welcome Beale, so what do I know.

I’m inclined to agree with everything you’ve said. The main issue is the “proven success” part. Genuinely cannot think of anyone recently promoted from league 1 who is both suitable and realistic 

Cafc43v3r

cafcfan1990 said:

FishCostaFortune said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Nothing against Jason but I hope it’s not him. We need a new approach and I’m sorry but Jason won’t give us that. 

We don’t know that for sure though do we. Bowyer was completely different to Robinson for example 

We don’t indeed, but if we were to employ someone for example like a Matt Taylor we are more likely to have more of an idea about how they will perform - and if at least if they can be successful - in the actual manager role. Where as for me, currently Euell has just been part of the same coaching set up that has been producing terrible football for a long time now.

Of course there are not guarantees either way, and l am not saying that Euell may not be an exceptional manager. But I would rather whoever we did employ had a body of work, working in the actual role then taking a punt on someone who has not*.

In short I don’t feel like we can take a punt on someone who has not had proven success in the role at the current juncture of where we are.

*That being said I would of course very much welcome Beale, so what do I know.

I’m inclined to agree with everything you’ve said. The main issue is the “proven success” part. Genuinely cannot think of anyone recently promoted from league 1 who is both suitable and realistic 

Apart from Paul Warne how many current managers have more than 1 league 1 promotion.  I think if we had appointed Richardson from Wigan when we got Adkins there would have been up roar.

Almost everyone that gets promoted then ends up, ultimately, failing in the championship. 

If Powell did what he did here at say Huddersfield and his name came up now people would say but yeah he got sacked in the championship because he couldn't cut it.

Now we know that that isn't true.  It's like Lennon and Ferguson failing in some jobs, without context it's meaningless.

cabbles

What about anyone from the Watford 900 over the last few years? 

wmcf123

The Red Robin said:

If Euell was the most impressive candidate then what’s he problem. If we’re honest, he’s more experienced and qualified than Jacko and should probably have been given the chance ahead of Jackson last time round. He’s also an England U20 coach. 

Having said all that, I don’t think it will be him as I doubt TS can be bothered with the backlash of some thinking it’s no different. 

I wonder if he interviewed for the Wimbledon job ? 

Cafc43v3r

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-michael-beale-charlton-24002963

$tevie G MBE on Beale being link to us.

cafcfan1990

Cafc43v3r said:

cafcfan1990 said:

FishCostaFortune said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Nothing against Jason but I hope it’s not him. We need a new approach and I’m sorry but Jason won’t give us that. 

We don’t know that for sure though do we. Bowyer was completely different to Robinson for example 

We don’t indeed, but if we were to employ someone for example like a Matt Taylor we are more likely to have more of an idea about how they will perform - and if at least if they can be successful - in the actual manager role. Where as for me, currently Euell has just been part of the same coaching set up that has been producing terrible football for a long time now.

Of course there are not guarantees either way, and l am not saying that Euell may not be an exceptional manager. But I would rather whoever we did employ had a body of work, working in the actual role then taking a punt on someone who has not*.

In short I don’t feel like we can take a punt on someone who has not had proven success in the role at the current juncture of where we are.

*That being said I would of course very much welcome Beale, so what do I know.

I’m inclined to agree with everything you’ve said. The main issue is the “proven success” part. Genuinely cannot think of anyone recently promoted from league 1 who is both suitable and realistic 

Apart from Paul Warne how many current managers have more than 1 league 1 promotion.  I think if we had appointed Richardson from Wigan when we got Adkins there would have been up roar.

Almost everyone that gets promoted then ends up, ultimately, failing in the championship. 

If Powell did what he did here at say Huddersfield and his name came up now people would say but yeah he got sacked in the championship because he couldn't cut it.

Now we know that that isn't true.  It's like Lennon and Ferguson failing in some jobs, without context it's meaningless.

Ferguson is probably the only one that stands out with league 1 promotions alongside Warne. Ainsworth could obviously join them over the weekend. In reality, Ferguson should probably be a solid candidate 

FishCostaFortune

cafcfan1990 said:

FishCostaFortune said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

Nothing against Jason but I hope it’s not him. We need a new approach and I’m sorry but Jason won’t give us that. 

We don’t know that for sure though do we. Bowyer was completely different to Robinson for example 

We don’t indeed, but if we were to employ someone for example like a Matt Taylor we are more likely to have more of an idea about how they will perform - and if at least if they can be successful - in the actual manager role. Where as for me, currently Euell has just been part of the same coaching set up that has been producing terrible football for a long time now.

Of course there are not guarantees either way, and l am not saying that Euell may not be an exceptional manager. But I would rather whoever we did employ had a body of work, working in the actual role then taking a punt on someone who has not*.

In short I don’t feel like we can take a punt on someone who has not had proven success in the role at the current juncture of where we are.

*That being said I would of course very much welcome Beale, so what do I know.

I’m inclined to agree with everything you’ve said. The main issue is the “proven success” part. Genuinely cannot think of anyone recently promoted from league 1 who is both suitable and realistic 

Im not necessarily thinking success to be judged as promotion from league 1. It could be to have come up from league 2 and done well in on league 1 - or even managed to get a ‘weaker’ team close to or in the play offs. 

ForeverAddickted

Ironically Euell might not be a bad option given the setup here now

He did very well with the U23s which was very much a role where he didnt get much of a say on Recruitment

At least I'd presume not..

The Red Robin

Gerrard doesn’t exactly dismiss the thought of Beale leaving. Interesting.