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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Unless there was a plan but it's fallen through after the first choice turned it down? Not good either way of course.IAgree said:The clock is ticking, the team is sparse, it’s pretty clear that there wasn’t a plan in place two weeks ago and the well intentioned father / son team are giving every indication that they will be involved in recruitment and tactics.
It’s getting more difficult to remain positive and I wonder how many lessons have actually been learned.2 -
Newcastle's net spend in the last five years is £170m and that is largely the make up of their squad. Everton (10 points behind Newcastle) have had a net spend of £300m in that time. Aston Villa (2 points behind) net spend is £230m. Man Utd's is £410m and they are just 12 points above Newcastle.SamB09 said:
Of the current bottom 5 in the table newcastle spent 90m and the next biggest spender was everton at 40m. Howe did Newcastle manage to escape relegation i wonder?!?!Cafc43v3r said:
But apart from that and the FFP breaches at Bournemouth he has worked wonders. Right?SamB09 said:
They spent 90m on 4 playersAndyG said:It always amazes me the difference a Manager can make look at Eddie Howe and Newcastle they are a different team under him and it isnt like they have had the chance to spend mega bucks yet but they looked odds on for relegation this year. For me he wins Manager of the season. Forest is another example along with Spurs. All proof the worth of getting the Manager that suits the squad
He has been a manager for for ever and I still don't actually know how good he is.
His 1st Bournemouth spell and Burnley are probably the best measure.
Wasn't a great player either
Equally, the four players signed for that £90m have started 44 games between them in the PL - in reality, they've filled 1.5 of the 11, on average, of the XI starting for Newcastle in the time that Howe has been there. Trippier has only started 4 matches. We should also remember that their number one striker, Wilson has only played in 9 of the 27 games that Howe has been in charge for.
So, undoubtedly, the players signed in January have helped but ones like Shelvey for example, until he got injured, looked totally differently to the one when Bruce was in charge. Fraser, the bloke who walked out on Howe and Bournemouth, was in good form but then got injured too. And players that join new clubs don't necessarily turn it on straightaway for their new teams. Just look at our Fraser or Kirk as examples of that - both meant to be a cut above League 1 level.
So it's not just about money. If it was then Man United would be comfortably in the top four right now. It's about getting the recruitment right and getting the most out of the players at a manager's disposal.3 -
Would it be such a huge surprise ?Scoham said:0 -
Today's candidates spotted outside boardroomMarcusH26 said:
Cawley saying interview process is still ongoing
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TS is not doing the interviews, Martin is. Finish up by 7pm and then he nips the hoover round and empties the bins.carly burn said:
Is TS even in the country?MarcusH26 said:
Cawley saying interview process is still ongoing
3AM interviews are never good
The geezer is everywhere.2 -
Just be grateful Sol Campbell hasn’t been mentioned for us yet!2
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Gareth Ainsworth would be nice, although I imagine he is on a big contract at Wycombe.Covered End said:
Or we are still interviewing candidates,Scoham said:
Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.jimmymelrose said:Covered End said:
Most fans think it's B.jimmymelrose said:
I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:paulie8290 said:
I'm curious as to why you think this.jimmymelrose said:It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.
The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.
I literally just said this to someone.
When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.
So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.
Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?
Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
A stick to beat TS with?
We are not the only club without a manager atm
Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.
Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
B. This is bad and I need to change manager.
If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.
I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.
The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.
Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.
Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.
Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended
Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)
etc
Or we are still negotiating terms,
Or numerous other possible reasons.
But guaranteed it isn't true, that the only possible reason we haven't appointed a manager, is because they are a manager of a play off team. It's one of many possibilities.0 -
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Could he fill the QPR if they lose, or even if they don't, on Saturday? Could get the market moving. Its probably the only job that has a direct impact on who we can or can't get.ElfsborgAddick said:
Gareth Ainsworth would be nice, although I imagine he is on a big contract at Wycombe.Covered End said:
Or we are still interviewing candidates,Scoham said:
Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.jimmymelrose said:Covered End said:
Most fans think it's B.jimmymelrose said:
I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:paulie8290 said:
I'm curious as to why you think this.jimmymelrose said:It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.
The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.
I literally just said this to someone.
When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.
So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.
Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?
Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
A stick to beat TS with?
We are not the only club without a manager atm
Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.
Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
B. This is bad and I need to change manager.
If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.
I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.
The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.
Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.
Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.
Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended
Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)
etc
Or we are still negotiating terms,
Or numerous other possible reasons.
But guaranteed it isn't true, that the only possible reason we haven't appointed a manager, is because they are a manager of a play off team. It's one of many possibilities.0 -
There not involved in either .. inputting data and giving the results to SG that’s MS jobIAgree said:The clock is ticking, the team is sparse, it’s pretty clear that there wasn’t a plan in place two weeks ago and the well intentioned father / son team are giving every indication that they will be involved in recruitment and tactics.
It’s getting more difficult to remain positive and I wonder how many lessons have actually been learned.0 -
Someone with a monstrous god-like apparition hovering large, behind?Henry Irving said:Here's the type of manager we need.
Winner, at ease with Royalty
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Why, in the name of all that is Holy, do you keep saying this?RonnieMoore said:
There not involved in either .. inputting data and giving the results to SG that’s MS jobIAgree said:The clock is ticking, the team is sparse, it’s pretty clear that there wasn’t a plan in place two weeks ago and the well intentioned father / son team are giving every indication that they will be involved in recruitment and tactics.
It’s getting more difficult to remain positive and I wonder how many lessons have actually been learned.
Thomas, Gallen, Adkins, Jackson and God knows who else have said they are. Yet every day you come on here and say they aren’t.
Why?3 -
It’s been tweaked by a fan! It’s BS can’t even spell his name right😂Scoham said:2 -
This is all feeling like last summer but worse. Then we were just waiting for some incoming players. Now we're waiting for manager, then players. If we couldn't find a squad in the time available with a manager in place how the fuck are we going to rebuild without a manager? Wimbledon seemed to move quickly enough. Evidently there was no plan. Fucking Charlton2
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Martin having a strong shot definitely helps his odds!0
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You have to wonder if TS would be able to attract a manager with any clout. He hasn't managed it to date and he's had two go's already.Wheresmeticket? said:This is all feeling like last summer but worse. Then we were just waiting for some incoming players. Now we're waiting for manager, then players. If we couldn't find a squad in the time available with a manager in place how the fuck are we going to rebuild without a manager? Wimbledon seemed to move quickly enough. Evidently there was no plan. Fucking Charlton
Would think the most head strong of successful managers would listen to how TS intends on doing things and would run a mile.
As I said, expect to be very underwhelmed. Unless TS alters is pig headed stance then this club will never prosper imho.2 -
Even Money on BetVic to be the next Blackburn Manager. Think he would do a decent job up there.Cafc43v3r said:
Could he fill the QPR if they lose, or even if they don't, on Saturday? Could get the market moving. Its probably the only job that has a direct impact on who we can or can't get.ElfsborgAddick said:
Gareth Ainsworth would be nice, although I imagine he is on a big contract at Wycombe.Covered End said:
Or we are still interviewing candidates,Scoham said:
Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.jimmymelrose said:Covered End said:
Most fans think it's B.jimmymelrose said:
I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:paulie8290 said:
I'm curious as to why you think this.jimmymelrose said:It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.
The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.
I literally just said this to someone.
When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.
So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.
Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?
Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
A stick to beat TS with?
We are not the only club without a manager atm
Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.
Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
B. This is bad and I need to change manager.
If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.
I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.
The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.
Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.
Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.
Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended
Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)
etc
Or we are still negotiating terms,
Or numerous other possible reasons.
But guaranteed it isn't true, that the only possible reason we haven't appointed a manager, is because they are a manager of a play off team. It's one of many possibilities.0 -
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He'll be going back home:SouthLondonisRed said:
Even Money on BetVic to be the next Blackburn Manager. Think he would do a decent job up there.Cafc43v3r said:
Could he fill the QPR if they lose, or even if they don't, on Saturday? Could get the market moving. Its probably the only job that has a direct impact on who we can or can't get.ElfsborgAddick said:
Gareth Ainsworth would be nice, although I imagine he is on a big contract at Wycombe.Covered End said:
Or we are still interviewing candidates,Scoham said:
Or some candidates have been away for a short break after the season ended, like Jackson did.jimmymelrose said:Covered End said:
Most fans think it's B.jimmymelrose said:
I've come in for criticism here so I shall explain my reasoning:paulie8290 said:
I'm curious as to why you think this.jimmymelrose said:It's been a week today since JJ got sacked, and TS should have made an appointment by now.
The fact that he hasn't shows that it was a petulant, unplanned, ill-thought out sacking.
I literally just said this to someone.
When Roland employed Luzon/Riga i cant remember which its blurred that time, everyone was moaning saying it was to quick him and KM didnt do a good enough search.
So why now TS is looking properly is it apparently to long.
Surely its better he gets the correct appointment even if it takes 7-14 days from the day JJ was sacked?
Are you just looking for a reason to moan?
A stick to beat TS with?
We are not the only club without a manager atm
Lincoln haven't had a manager for 10 days
Fleetwood magical 7 day(according to you) is up tomorrow.
Does that mean they have been poorly managed or do they not count, as Ts doesn't own them
It had been clear for several months that we weren't going either up or down a division.
For those last few months we were generally in 13th- 17th place, weren't we? Therefore TS either thought:
A. This is bad but I trust that JJ can sort it out for next season.
B. This is bad and I need to change manager.
If it were B then he should have replaced him with a month or more to go so that the new manager can make his assessments.
If it were A then he appears to have changed his mind at the last minute, probably due to the Ipswich result. My opinion is that this is what's happened. That's why I call it a petulant decision. It can't be because of our final position as we finished the season in almost the highest position we'd reached all season.
I may be wrong. What I know for sure was that I thought TS was great when he bought the club and I'm still thankful for that. What I now think is that he doesn't have a clue how to run a football club, and that we'll finish lower next season and then the next and so on until he changes his ways.
The reason being Washington was as good as told this a few weeks before the Ipswich game.
The most likely reason JJ wasn't sacked sooner, was because TS would have had to pay out less (if any) compensation by waiting until the season ended and JJ had "failed" the agreed contract.
Fair enough but it's now two weeks since he sacked Jackson and he still hasn't appointed a new manager. If it's B then he should have appointed someone by now. The only good reason why not would be if it's a manager of a play-off team.
Perhaps 'most fans' are wrong and it's A.
Or some are coaches at Prem clubs so their season hasn’t ended
Or we were negotiating but someone turned it down (more of a bad reason but could be the case)
etc
Or we are still negotiating terms,
Or numerous other possible reasons.
But guaranteed it isn't true, that the only possible reason we haven't appointed a manager, is because they are a manager of a play off team. It's one of many possibilities.
Ainsworth was born in Blackburn. His mother worked as a professional singer during the 1960s while his father worked in several different jobs including a bookmakers, a driving instructor and a factory clerk. His parents were avid music fans and his mother taught Ainsworth to sing as a child. He is a supporter of Blackburn Rovers and became a season ticket holder at the age of six.
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There seems to be a lot of people winding themselves up over the lack of news regarding the new manager, i don’t get the idea that TS is some kind of fool that’s happy to spunk his money he’s worked hard and successfully for. The season isn’t over yet and so any appointment that involves a currently employed guy( not women as that rumour just has to be bollox and I can’t believe it got a few pages of chat over it) probably out of respect won’t be announced until all final whistles have been blown. I don’t think TS has for one second considered his son for the position, that’s one for the people with agendas against TS to chew over. TS knows he’s got to get the next one right and as someone who is a bit more savvy than being given credit for, doesn’t want to fail. I guessing he is far more ruthless and hungry for success than the public persona, whether his mistake or not, he’s got rid of everyone he sees as not doing a job good enough, including JJ whom he gave his chance and IMO didn’t take it.There’s a lot of impatience on here maybe the wait is for good reason, well I hope so anyway.🤞23
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9 not 5Cafc43v3r said:
So was Klopp.Henry Irving said:Paisley and Fagen were both top flight players and Paisley won the league with Liverpool.
Both would have played more games but for the war.
None of them were great players. Neither were Van Gaal, Joachim Löw, or many many others.
Very very few people are great at both.
Funny enough Paisley sort of proves the point he is still only one of 5 people to win the english league as both a player and manager. Not much less than have done it in the world Cup.0 -
Wonder if Shaun Bartlett has gone for it…
He had ‘joked’ about ‘what he needed to do to be considered’, and would tick boxes for TS for having international audiences - he’s popular in SA
Has done quite a bit of coaching, and looks like he’s stepping up into managerial roles0 -
If we all stick a fiver on MS so he leads the odds, we give TS a fallback position that he was the fans’ favourite if/when it doesn’t work out?2
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Rubbish comment about Howe. He has done wonders and worked his arse off.Swisdom said:
No way should Howe get manager of the year.AndyG said:It always amazes me the difference a Manager can make look at Eddie Howe and Newcastle they are a different team under him and it isnt like they have had the chance to spend mega bucks yet but they looked odds on for relegation this year. For me he wins Manager of the season. Forest is another example along with Spurs. All proof the worth of getting the Manager that suits the squad
he spent a lot of money and all he had to do was tell them to stop playing shit. They had a number of decent players underperforming because of the shit manager
steve Bruce is about as good as Iain dowie these days and he zapped any momentum they had. He’s an atmosphere hoover of a man2 -
Marcelo Bielsa?4
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Stop it. Although if he’s realistic and available he’s easily first choicecatfordmorry said:Marcelo Bielsa?1 -
There is a difference to last year. Due to the World Cup the season starts at the end of July.Wheresmeticket? said:This is all feeling like last summer but worse. Then we were just waiting for some incoming players. Now we're waiting for manager, then players. If we couldn't find a squad in the time available with a manager in place how the fuck are we going to rebuild without a manager? Wimbledon seemed to move quickly enough. Evidently there was no plan. Fucking Charlton0
