It’s all becoming a bit farcical now. I understand things get leaked to people, but I would imagine that leaking stuff in a more traditional sense involved close confidants. TS seems to have picked the odd random fan(s) he had no prior relationship with, and used channels such as LinkedIn. I’m not knocking the fans he shares his info with. If I were one of them, I would probably share on here what he’s told me, but the point is, we now seem to be getting different stories and if you’re running a professional football club, this just doesn’t look like you have much of an idea about what you’re doing.
Garner may or may not be following this, but what does it say about your prospective employer if you see one headline, then another and another.
I’m still pro TS for all the investment, the passion, the positivity and I actually think getting rid of Jackson wasn’t that a bad idea - however, it seems like from the outside, this is a bit of a circus now. It could still all turn out to be alright, but I think this ongoing appointment is a window into what is a bit of shambles in general.
I would say we’d do extremely well at this point to enjoy a decent season on the pitch next season
Thomas: Hi, Ben. Did you get my email with the contract? Ben: Yes, all cool. Thomas: What about the car parking space we have to sort out? Ben: Oh, don’t worry about that. No hurry. Thomas: That’s great. Shall we sort out that and the size for your tracksuit when we meet for a beer on Wednesday? We’d better get the contract signed as well then as they’re getting edgy on Charlton Life. Ben: Sure Thomas: Do you mind Danish lager? Ben: Ha ha. I suppose I can get used to it. Thomas: Cheers
All this will he, won't he be signing doesn't bode well for when he actually gets in charge. It makes it sound like TS is waiting if anyone better is available
Why are people getting in such a state over wording of a statement .. if you want to be spot on he has not signed yet until Tues or Wed when the official announcement is made but 2 year deal been agreed .. he was reported with his staff to have been at the training ground before he went in holiday last week .. we all know that TS does not arrive until tomorrow
Woke up expecting to see around 10 unread posts so was surprised to see there’s several new pages.
Not sure why RM felt the need to comment and what she believed they’d gain by doing so.
There’s a growing doubt about the ownership across the fanbase and comments from TS and RM on social media aren’t helping.
Perhaps they’re still interviewing or negotiating but it’s 6th June tomorrow, this needs resolving very soon. The squad are going to Spain in a few weeks. We haven’t even confirmed if Purrington is staying yet, never mind announced a new signing.
Her post doesn't mean Garner isn't signing. Cawley says he's agreed a 2 year deal. She says that's not correct. Doesn't mean he isn't signing, it could mean that he's agreed a 3 year deal!
Whatever the reason is, it now just winds everybody up and no one knows what is going on.
Would have been for the best if Mrs Sandgaard had not said a thing and we would have found out early this week what’s being announced.
Can’t understand why she would do that.
But if she knows the information to be false, then why can't she say anything? She's certainly closer to the deal makers than Cawley is.
Then do it through the official club channels.
For me it’s mainly the ambiguity of the statement. A tweet saying ‘Understand this not to be correct’ sounds like something you would hear RonnieMoore write on here.
It was in response to Cawley saying: "Understand that to be correct"
Could be any one detail that is incorrect, term, salary, structure etc
I have a feeling neither TS or Mrs TS appreciate Cawley reaching out to leaks in the club rather than contacting direct.
It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary.
This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win.
More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem.
It is amateurish but so are some journalists, Nixon springs to mind. If Cawley is wrong, and I say if, then I don't care how he is told. Why should a journalist who gets something wrong have to be told in private? He put it out there and if it factual incorrect then why should he escape criticism?
Funny how other clubs don’t have the chairman’s partner or family members disputing tweets by journalists then. Can you imagine Mrs Parish or Mrs Berylson - if they exist - commenting on their club’s next manager?
We can all decide how we communicate but to respond in public to a reporter with whom the club - and the owner - have an open line of communication and a good working relationship is a put down and an unnecessary one - it also opens Raelynn up to further ridicule if and when the story turns out to be substantively true.
It’s a month since JJ was sacked and TS must have made up his mind on that decision some time before.
Maybe, maybe not.
So, let’s be generous and say the owner has known he needs a new manager for two months.
Possibly
He must have had an idea of who he wanted to take over but that has obviously not come to reality.
Maybe, maybe not.
So, now, he is “still interviewing”. How many has he interviewed?
Eleven?
How many are there still to interview? One? Get the feeling some interviewees are having second thoughts. Possibly If Mrs TS is right about Ben Garner, then are we going to end up with a fifth or. sixth choice as manager. If Mrs TS is right about Garner having a contract that isn’t two years?
I will always appreciate TS saving our club [Me too] but his handling of this situation is FUBAR.
What’s FUBAR?
I feel this thread has been passing me by recently, so thought I’d get more involved. Apologies if any or all of the above replies turn out to be wrong.
What a farce, I thought we’d moved on from this public crap. Reading through she’s just repeating the same answer to every fan as if it’s a corporate response. She’s either gone AWOL or TS has agreed to this. Either way it’s a shambles.
It is unprofessional and opened them up to more criticism unfortunately. Can also see this coming back to bite them when every rumour is not denied like this.
Again, it's lose/lose whatever they do for some.
They shouldn't comment but if in future they don't comment that will also be wrong.
They are making non-committal non-denials. They mean very little as the tweets contain very little hard information but they are being poured over and far far too much being read into them by some.
Another post that's spot on.Just leave them alone. Whatever they do is wrong.Yes mistakes have been made but Thomas has the best intentions for the club.
As the saying goes - The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Good intentions with a modicum of learning & EQ would be much better!
It’s given everyone something else to talk about of course on the upside.
I do think it’s inconsequential in the grand scheme of things more. We are a 3rd division team and barely get a mention in the sports media reports these days. Amateur or unprofessional possibly but given we are a very small club currently it’s entertaining however some news emerges.
Rich Cawley is a local journalist and doesn’t seem to me at least, to have huge advance insight in news at CAFC, only what he is given modestly in advance. I may have this wrong but don’t detect a huge network of inside information more than picking up what others have also heard.
Bit unprofessional maybe, remember the times we live in, but I can’t help feeling that most are reading way too much into it.
I suspect most are reading exactly what it is, it’s a timely reminder to all the deal isn’t done. It might be close but so is a shot that hits the post and they win nothing
Her post doesn't mean Garner isn't signing. Cawley says he's agreed a 2 year deal. She says that's not correct. Doesn't mean he isn't signing, it could mean that he's agreed a 3 year deal!
Whatever the reason is, it now just winds everybody up and no one knows what is going on.
Would have been for the best if Mrs Sandgaard had not said a thing and we would have found out early this week what’s being announced.
Can’t understand why she would do that.
But if she knows the information to be false, then why can't she say anything? She's certainly closer to the deal makers than Cawley is.
Then do it through the official club channels.
For me it’s mainly the ambiguity of the statement. A tweet saying ‘Understand this not to be correct’ sounds like something you would hear RonnieMoore write on here.
It was in response to Cawley saying: "Understand that to be correct"
Could be any one detail that is incorrect, term, salary, structure etc
I have a feeling neither TS or Mrs TS appreciate Cawley reaching out to leaks in the club rather than contacting direct.
It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary.
This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win.
More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem.
Spoken like a true journalist.
He's spot on though
But you could make a counter point to each point made and also be spot on, depending on your initial view on TS. Coming from a completely neutral stance -
"It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary."
It's not a big enough reason to publish a statement via the club and contacting "Rich" would take time, when the announcement is probably imminent, so she's decided to put it right with a quick reply to his Tweet. It's 2022 and people gabber on social media, whether they own a football club or not.
"This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win."
Is that how it works is it? Surely you're within your right to challenge a journo (with a short Tweet), if you think they're jumping the gun with what could possibly mislead people?
"More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem."
As Henry has said; they're not saying things haven't been done, but maybe they're tying up lose ends with Garners assistants etc. and are getting irritated by it constantly being released before its watertight.
Personally think it's taking a long time, too long, but there's just so much spin being put on virtually everything that TS does at the moment, it's ridiculous.
Maybe it is done but only when his team are sorted, so whilst everything is ready to be signed he won't until his assistants are sorted out. So it may be very close but not done until they all are.
Her post doesn't mean Garner isn't signing. Cawley says he's agreed a 2 year deal. She says that's not correct. Doesn't mean he isn't signing, it could mean that he's agreed a 3 year deal!
Whatever the reason is, it now just winds everybody up and no one knows what is going on.
Would have been for the best if Mrs Sandgaard had not said a thing and we would have found out early this week what’s being announced.
Can’t understand why she would do that.
But if she knows the information to be false, then why can't she say anything? She's certainly closer to the deal makers than Cawley is.
Then do it through the official club channels.
For me it’s mainly the ambiguity of the statement. A tweet saying ‘Understand this not to be correct’ sounds like something you would hear RonnieMoore write on here.
It was in response to Cawley saying: "Understand that to be correct"
Could be any one detail that is incorrect, term, salary, structure etc
I have a feeling neither TS or Mrs TS appreciate Cawley reaching out to leaks in the club rather than contacting direct.
It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary.
This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win.
More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem.
It is amateurish but so are some journalists, Nixon springs to mind. If Cawley is wrong, and I say if, then I don't care how he is told. Why should a journalist who gets something wrong have to be told in private? He put it out there and if it factual incorrect then why should he escape criticism?
Funny how other clubs don’t have the chairman’s partner or family members disputing tweets by journalists then. Can you imagine Mrs Parish or Mrs Berylson - if they exist - commenting on their club’s next manager?
Maybe they're simply not interested. The Sandgaard's as a family have bought into us as a family club. Personally I still find it refreshing to have an owner and his family that are so invested in the club.
They have lost a lot of the good will they have earned in the past year, but it was never going to be a smooth journey. Why would it? It's Charlton Athletic FFS.
There is a lot the club have been getting wrong since TS took over, him talking to supporters on LinkedIn and Dr RM responding on Twitter is not one of them. This is all irrelevant in the grand scheme of things they need to get right.
Her post doesn't mean Garner isn't signing. Cawley says he's agreed a 2 year deal. She says that's not correct. Doesn't mean he isn't signing, it could mean that he's agreed a 3 year deal!
Whatever the reason is, it now just winds everybody up and no one knows what is going on.
Would have been for the best if Mrs Sandgaard had not said a thing and we would have found out early this week what’s being announced.
Can’t understand why she would do that.
But if she knows the information to be false, then why can't she say anything? She's certainly closer to the deal makers than Cawley is.
Then do it through the official club channels.
For me it’s mainly the ambiguity of the statement. A tweet saying ‘Understand this not to be correct’ sounds like something you would hear RonnieMoore write on here.
It was in response to Cawley saying: "Understand that to be correct"
Could be any one detail that is incorrect, term, salary, structure etc
I have a feeling neither TS or Mrs TS appreciate Cawley reaching out to leaks in the club rather than contacting direct.
It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary.
This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win.
More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem.
It is amateurish but so are some journalists, Nixon springs to mind. If Cawley is wrong, and I say if, then I don't care how he is told. Why should a journalist who gets something wrong have to be told in private? He put it out there and if it factual incorrect then why should he escape criticism?
Funny how other clubs don’t have the chairman’s partner or family members disputing tweets by journalists then. Can you imagine Mrs Parish or Mrs Berylson - if they exist - commenting on their club’s next manager?
Maybe they're simply not interested.
The current partner of Steve Parrish is a celebrity Nigella who presents a breakfast show on ITV.
Her post doesn't mean Garner isn't signing. Cawley says he's agreed a 2 year deal. She says that's not correct. Doesn't mean he isn't signing, it could mean that he's agreed a 3 year deal!
Whatever the reason is, it now just winds everybody up and no one knows what is going on.
Would have been for the best if Mrs Sandgaard had not said a thing and we would have found out early this week what’s being announced.
Can’t understand why she would do that.
But if she knows the information to be false, then why can't she say anything? She's certainly closer to the deal makers than Cawley is.
Then do it through the official club channels.
For me it’s mainly the ambiguity of the statement. A tweet saying ‘Understand this not to be correct’ sounds like something you would hear RonnieMoore write on here.
It was in response to Cawley saying: "Understand that to be correct"
Could be any one detail that is incorrect, term, salary, structure etc
I have a feeling neither TS or Mrs TS appreciate Cawley reaching out to leaks in the club rather than contacting direct.
It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary.
This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win.
More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem.
It is amateurish but so are some journalists, Nixon springs to mind. If Cawley is wrong, and I say if, then I don't care how he is told. Why should a journalist who gets something wrong have to be told in private? He put it out there and if it factual incorrect then why should he escape criticism?
Funny how other clubs don’t have the chairman’s partner or family members disputing tweets by journalists then. Can you imagine Mrs Parish or Mrs Berylson - if they exist - commenting on their club’s next manager?
Maybe they're simply not interested.
The current partner of Steve Parrish is a celebrity Nigella who presents a breakfast show on ITV.
That makes her interested in football but more specifically the running of his club, why?
Her post doesn't mean Garner isn't signing. Cawley says he's agreed a 2 year deal. She says that's not correct. Doesn't mean he isn't signing, it could mean that he's agreed a 3 year deal!
Whatever the reason is, it now just winds everybody up and no one knows what is going on.
Would have been for the best if Mrs Sandgaard had not said a thing and we would have found out early this week what’s being announced.
Can’t understand why she would do that.
But if she knows the information to be false, then why can't she say anything? She's certainly closer to the deal makers than Cawley is.
Then do it through the official club channels.
For me it’s mainly the ambiguity of the statement. A tweet saying ‘Understand this not to be correct’ sounds like something you would hear RonnieMoore write on here.
It was in response to Cawley saying: "Understand that to be correct"
Could be any one detail that is incorrect, term, salary, structure etc
I have a feeling neither TS or Mrs TS appreciate Cawley reaching out to leaks in the club rather than contacting direct.
It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary.
This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win.
More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem.
Exactly. It’s RC’s job as a journalist to dig into a story and break it to the readership. TS and his Mrs can’t stop that. The ‘we’ll decide what’s said and when’ is permeating society in general and it’s dangerous.
Journalists are becoming redundant because they’re being lumped in with cyber bullies and trolls. It’s their job to uncover the truth. From new Charlton managers to dodgy politicians.
And Cawley, as a journalist, doesn't just rely on Charlton sources, official or unofficial. If his Swindon sources are saying something, he's perfectly entitled to air what they've told him if he wants. That he "understands" it to be the case.
Perhaps the interviews which are still going on, are on going discussions with Garner’s two assistants. So technically, TS and RM are correct. But I do agree with many posters that I find it disappointing that the owner and his partner feel the need to challenge things on social media.
How I long for the days when the only source of information on the club came from the Mercury and the Kentish Independant, until Clubcall came on the scene. Probably what I’m saying is bring back Scoop!
Her post doesn't mean Garner isn't signing. Cawley says he's agreed a 2 year deal. She says that's not correct. Doesn't mean he isn't signing, it could mean that he's agreed a 3 year deal!
Whatever the reason is, it now just winds everybody up and no one knows what is going on.
Would have been for the best if Mrs Sandgaard had not said a thing and we would have found out early this week what’s being announced.
Can’t understand why she would do that.
But if she knows the information to be false, then why can't she say anything? She's certainly closer to the deal makers than Cawley is.
Then do it through the official club channels.
For me it’s mainly the ambiguity of the statement. A tweet saying ‘Understand this not to be correct’ sounds like something you would hear RonnieMoore write on here.
It was in response to Cawley saying: "Understand that to be correct"
Could be any one detail that is incorrect, term, salary, structure etc
I have a feeling neither TS or Mrs TS appreciate Cawley reaching out to leaks in the club rather than contacting direct.
It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary.
This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win.
More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem.
It is amateurish but so are some journalists, Nixon springs to mind. If Cawley is wrong, and I say if, then I don't care how he is told. Why should a journalist who gets something wrong have to be told in private? He put it out there and if it factual incorrect then why should he escape criticism?
So if Cawley is wrong then so is every journalist in Swindon, TalkSport and The Athletic. OR they’re all right.
Her post doesn't mean Garner isn't signing. Cawley says he's agreed a 2 year deal. She says that's not correct. Doesn't mean he isn't signing, it could mean that he's agreed a 3 year deal!
Whatever the reason is, it now just winds everybody up and no one knows what is going on.
Would have been for the best if Mrs Sandgaard had not said a thing and we would have found out early this week what’s being announced.
Can’t understand why she would do that.
But if she knows the information to be false, then why can't she say anything? She's certainly closer to the deal makers than Cawley is.
Then do it through the official club channels.
For me it’s mainly the ambiguity of the statement. A tweet saying ‘Understand this not to be correct’ sounds like something you would hear RonnieMoore write on here.
It was in response to Cawley saying: "Understand that to be correct"
Could be any one detail that is incorrect, term, salary, structure etc
I have a feeling neither TS or Mrs TS appreciate Cawley reaching out to leaks in the club rather than contacting direct.
It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary.
This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win.
More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem.
It is amateurish but so are some journalists, Nixon springs to mind. If Cawley is wrong, and I say if, then I don't care how he is told. Why should a journalist who gets something wrong have to be told in private? He put it out there and if it factual incorrect then why should he escape criticism?
Funny how other clubs don’t have the chairman’s partner or family members disputing tweets by journalists then. Can you imagine Mrs Parish or Mrs Berylson - if they exist - commenting on their club’s next manager?
Maybe they're simply not interested.
The current partner of Steve Parrish is a celebrity Nigella who presents a breakfast show on ITV.
That makes her interested in football lot more specifically the running of his club, why?
I expect she knows what is occurring, no idea if she tweets about it as I don't follow her, just saying that she has been out as a Palarse fan for years so she obviously likes football. I do think TS and Raelynn should not be so approachable, they think they are being helpful and nice but they are simply feeding the manic beast that is CAFC angst.
It’s given everyone something else to talk about of course on the upside.
I do think it’s inconsequential in the grand scheme of things more. We are a 3rd division team and barely get a mention in the sports media reports these days. Amateur or unprofessional possibly but given we are a very small club currently it’s entertaining however some news emerges.
Rich Cawley is a local journalist and doesn’t seem to me at least, to have huge advance insight in news at CAFC, only what he is given modestly in advance. I may have this wrong but don’t detect a huge network of inside information more than picking up what others have also heard.
This is just rubbish. It’s not how local football journalism works - there are multiple ways you get information, some of them official, some authorised, some not authorised, some external, some third party, some just luck. The longer you are involved the more contacts you build.
The club will always have stories that it keeps to itself or just issues a heads up to selected parties - I do it myself in another context - but the idea of Cawley just sitting and waiting for the phone to ring is nonsense.
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Garner may or may not be following this, but what does it say about your prospective employer if you see one headline, then another and another.
Ben: Yes, all cool.
Thomas: What about the car parking space we have to sort out?
Ben: Oh, don’t worry about that. No hurry.
Thomas: That’s great. Shall we sort out that and the size for your tracksuit when we meet for a beer on Wednesday? We’d better get the contract signed as well then as they’re getting edgy on Charlton Life.
Ben: Sure
Thomas: Do you mind Danish lager?
Ben: Ha ha. I suppose I can get used to it.
Thomas: Cheers
calm down ..
Not sure why RM felt the need to comment and what she believed they’d gain by doing so.
There’s a growing doubt about the ownership across the fanbase and comments from TS and RM on social media aren’t helping.
Perhaps they’re still interviewing or negotiating but it’s 6th June tomorrow, this needs resolving very soon. The squad are going to Spain in a few weeks. We haven’t even confirmed if Purrington is staying yet, never mind announced a new signing.
Reading this Garner felt he wasn't given enough time at Bristol Rovers.
I wonder if the fans will give him time if it starts badly or indeed if TS will.
Good intentions with a modicum of learning & EQ would be much better!
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20187673.ben-garner-agrees-two-year-contract-charlton-athletic-manager/
That's as far as the evil acts and analysis goes for me.
"It’s amateurish. If they have an issue with anything Rich puts out they can very easily contact him privately or they can publish a statement via the club setting the record straight if necessary."
It's not a big enough reason to publish a statement via the club and contacting "Rich" would take time, when the announcement is probably imminent, so she's decided to put it right with a quick reply to his Tweet. It's 2022 and people gabber on social media, whether they own a football club or not.
"This smacks of “we’ll decide what is said and when” and that’s a battle they will never win."
Is that how it works is it? Surely you're within your right to challenge a journo (with a short Tweet), if you think they're jumping the gun with what could possibly mislead people?
"More important, if you’re “still interviewing” five weeks after your own decision to remove the manager I’d suggest you have a bigger problem."
As Henry has said; they're not saying things haven't been done, but maybe they're tying up lose ends with Garners assistants etc. and are getting irritated by it constantly being released before its watertight.
Personally think it's taking a long time, too long, but there's just so much spin being put on virtually everything that TS does at the moment, it's ridiculous.
They have lost a lot of the good will they have earned in the past year, but it was never going to be a smooth journey. Why would it? It's Charlton Athletic FFS.
But I do agree with many posters that I find it disappointing that the owner and his partner feel the need to challenge things on social media.
The club will always have stories that it keeps to itself or just issues a heads up to selected parties - I do it myself in another context - but the idea of Cawley just sitting and waiting for the phone to ring is nonsense.
Except to go on this forum and say “ I’ve got nothing else to say that I haven’t already said.”