All these business experts, great to see the minds of Harvard Business school here
Your sarcasm actually makes the underlining point though.
Most on here don't have the requisite insight, acumen and expertise to run a business in the manner of a Harvard Business School grad without expert assistance and guidance and would likely bumble through making material mistakes at the expense of the business' potential for success.
Similar to owning a football club with absolutely no experience or acumen for doing so without getting a good level of knowledge and experience on board to advise.
Given that TS isn't evidently flying in until Monday - so no manager announcement until then at the very earliest....could I drop in this tangent to while away the time.....?
It's just that it illustrates graphically the kind of craziness which seems to possess owners of football clubs when they start to doubt their own employees and begin to introduce friends or family members into the set up.
In 2013 the owner of Cardiff City, Vincent Tan, brought his son to the Welsh Club simply to 'hang out' there and take the temperature of the club.' Tan junior thought it would be a good idea, literally, to give the ground a new lick of paint during the close season. Step forward friend of the young Tan one Alisher Apsalyamov a 23 year old East European student hired as a painter and decorator on a 'work experience' basis.
Alisher Apsalyamov (AA for short) happened to mention to Tan (during his tea break?) that he had watched some of Cardiff's then Premiership games on TV and he had a few ideas on how to improve the team. This was good enough for Tan who suspended his head of player recruitment Ian Moody and got AA down off his ladder, promoting him into Moody's position.
A club spokesman at the time said: Apsalyamov's role will be to focus on gathering data on individual players and he will be responsible for the January transfer window.*
Any resemblance to similar events at Charlton Athletic FC either now or in the past is entirely coincidental.
*Aspsalyamov left Cardiff City one week before the January transfer window having failed to obtain a work permit. It is not known whether he recommended any players to Cardiff City or whether he finished his paintwork.
I’m really glad someone brought this up. My bestie is Cardiff. All that seems to be happening at CAFC does have a familiar ring to it.
The quid pro quo for Thomas Sandgaard arriving and cleansing the stench left by Southall and co is he is a hands on owner. Once his eyes and ears left, Ged Roddy, Martin Sandgaard became that person even if his Job is about recruitment. Charlton are becoming entrenched in the 3rd tier and I don't believe the majority of cafc fan/critics will give any manager the time he needs to put his identity on the team.
We have seen over the years at many clubs having Business acumen doesn't always dovetail with Football acumen.
The paradox is we need a strong character as a manager and I'm not convinced that the remit from Thomas Sandgaard will allow that as he said he needs to hire someone he has a good relationship with. Of course, but it feels like it will be one sided.
All these business experts, great to see the minds of Harvard Business school here
Your sarcasm actually makes the underlining point though.
Most on here don't have the requisite insight, acumen and expertise to run a business in the manner of a Harvard Business School grad without expert assistance and guidance and would likely bumble through making material mistakes at the expense of the business' potential for success.
Similar to owning a football club with absolutely no experience or acumen for doing so without getting a good level of knowledge and experience on board to advise.
Maybe, but all the Pseudo psychology about Sandgaard or the 2,500 word wannabe James O’Brien polemics about this that and the other aren’t changing where we are, or peoples views.
For me, TS has made many a mistake, and has an ego the size of the moon, he is a very successful businessman and I no doubt he made many a mistake in his business life prior to becoming very wealthy. Will he learn from his mistakes and help turn our club around, only time will tell, but the facts are he’s the owner so he makes all the big decisions, hopefully decisions based on what he has learnt about owning an English football club, the people & fans around him + skills he obviously has. People like him don’t accept failure so I just hope going forward he has a team around him, making the right decisions, with possible £ backers to move the club forward.
I thought the timing of the JJ sacking was a strange one, but I like the idea of bringing in someone with no past connection to the club and play an attacking formation that suits the squad we have (we do need to recruit), a mixture of youth and experienced players who are more than capable of playing in the 3rd tier with talent to play in the 2nd tier with the right coaching team developing them. I hope our next manager is able to do this, as well as having a decent player budget. Garner for me would be a very good appointment.
if TS fails then we are in deep shit, I doubt he will 🤞🤞
On
the footballing side of operations, I know we need a manager/head
coach and enough players to a build a promotion chasing squad, and
I'm sure that's where the focus is at present, but do we also need a
Director of Football too do you think?
It could be the
reason Ben Chorley resigned from Swindon, to join Ben Garner and his
assistants, assuming they're coming here, or do I remember seeing that dismissed
as an unrelated coincidence by TS earlier in the week?
On
the non footballing side, the last couple of appointments made since
April, Brian Jokat as COO, and Ron Dangerfield as the new Club
Secretary, do seem to have experience of sports/football
administration so I assume they're working to try and improve things
behind the scenes, if that's what's
needed.
I find it difficult to understand why the Swindon Chairman cannot shed any light on his own manager’s position for legal reason. He either employs the man or he does not. What legal reasons can hinder his own football club from making a comment on their own employees. Looking forward to any explanations!
Bumped into Thomas in Primark, he said he was going to announce a manager today but thought best to hold off out of respect for Her Majesty. We shook hands and sang two verses of God Save The Queen, which everyone in Primark stopped in their tracks and joined in. Was quite moving tbh and goes better with the electric guitar than I realised.
Can I read into this that the next manager will have previously managed at Primark?
I could see this a mile off. Classic case of somebody thinking he is cleverer than he is. I don't mean generally, I'm sure he is very talented when it it comes to other things as his wealh testifies to, but football is different. If you own a club, it is all about getting the right people in working for you but there has to be a lot of trial and error involved. Then when you have it, you back them. Knowing what you don't know is such a quality or having the money to throw at it all where it doesn't matter.
Any manager could still be a success. I'm sure Fraeye won't be appointed. But ultimately, the managers available to us represent no less risk than JJ except that he knew the strengths and weaknesses of what we have far better and he would have been having the conversations and planning weeks ago. If there was something Sandgaard was not happy about JJ that we don't know, fair enough, then you have Euell. In our modern history, we have always succeeded in giving somebody a chance who has subsequently run with it. Curbs and Bowyer were appointed largely because we didn't want to or couldn't spend money on anybody else. Powell was totally unproven as a manger but much loved. And all the peope who know so much about football don't get how being much loved does add to your chances for a number of reasons if you have the other qualities to.
Plenty of people including quite a few on this site think football in England is broken. I’m one of them. The pyramid of money is ludicrously skewed. Footballers in the top two divisions at least get paid far too much. By that I mean average players not the very few elites and beyond their actual worth to the club. Agents bleed too much money out of the sport and things like loyalty and players hanging around for best part of their careers at one club are rare. The ordinary fan, certainly in the PL is being priced out of attending. Imagine being an Arsenal fan with two boys to take. Everything is about money, money money. The beautiful game in a holistic way has suffered. I think there have been people who have tried to buck the system in the way they run their clubs and tried to do things “their way” I think Thomas could well be one of those. Unfortunately the system and football establishment is stacked heavily against anyone daring to attempt something different. My guess is that eventually TS will be beaten into recognition that only conformity works and will at that point either succumb to the weight of pressure to conform or decide to sell up. I still love watching the 90 minutes but pretty much everything in football outside of that I’ve grown to detest. Every season I find something to make me fall out of love with football just a little bit more. No idea where my tipping point is.
Whoops, I seem to have stumbled onto the TS thread. Does anyone know where the new manager thread went?
As Thomas Sandgaard is the owner who will select the manager then not sure how we can speculate on who the new manager will be without some reference to TS ?
A new season is getting closer. Thank goodness for that. Once blimmin Wimbledon Tennis passes we are on our way, the summer is boring. Should have the fixtures soon, and any silly buggers cup draws completed. Pre season friendlies coming up. At least the shenanigans has kept this summer interesting. My hope for next season is for the communications department to make a better offer for Charlton TV subscribers, by that I mean reliability and comprehensive coverage. Comprehensive coverage of all U18 games, whose highlights are to be metronomically posted no more than 48 hours after games, and the same reliable 48 hour deadline after U23 games. I want to pay for football coverage, not behind the scenes with Oliver Dowden and the like.
I find it difficult to understand why the Swindon Chairman cannot shed any light on his own manager’s position for legal reason. He either employs the man or he does not. What legal reasons can hinder his own football club from making a comment on their own employees. Looking forward to any explanations!
I'm just hoping that it isn't to do with either side reneging on something previously agreed, for whatever reason, but I suspect it isn't, so I'm as mystified as you. Thomas insisting on non a non disclosure period maybe, but again, why? Who knows.
I find it difficult to understand why the Swindon Chairman cannot shed any light on his own manager’s position for legal reason. He either employs the man or he does not. What legal reasons can hinder his own football club from making a comment on their own employees. Looking forward to any explanations!
Could be Swindon are set to lose more than just Garner. The DoF has already resigned and rumours are that if Garner moves to Charlton or anywhere else he will bring two coaching staff with him. If negotiations re compensation are ongoing there might well be a non disclosure agreement in place. Who knows, it could be Swindon are sueing Charlton for an illegal approach. It could be for many reasons.
I find it difficult to understand why the Swindon Chairman cannot shed any light on his own manager’s position for legal reason. He either employs the man or he does not. What legal reasons can hinder his own football club from making a comment on their own employees. Looking forward to any explanations!
Could be Swindon are set to lose more than just Garner. The DoF has already resigned and rumours are that if Garner moves to Charlton or anywhere else he will bring two coaching staff with him. If negotiations re compensation are ongoing there might well be a non disclosure agreement in place. Who knows, it could be Swindon are sueing Charlton for an illegal approach. It could be for many reasons.
More likely the compensation has been agreed but he hasn’t got it yet.
I could see this a mile off. Classic case of somebody thinking he is cleverer than he is. I don't mean generally, I'm sure he is very talented when it it comes to other things as his wealh testifies to, but football is different. If you own a club, it is all about getting the right people in working for you but there has to be a lot of trial and error involved. Then when you have it, you back them. Knowing what you don't know is such a quality or having the money to throw at it all where it doesn't matter.
Any manager could still be a success. I'm sure Fraeye won't be appointed. But ultimately, the managers available to us represent no less risk than JJ except that he knew the strengths and weaknesses of what we have far better and he would have been having the conversations and planning weeks ago. If there was something Sandgaard was not happy about JJ that we don't know, fair enough, then you have Euell. In our modern history, we have always succeeded in giving somebody a chance who has subsequently run with it. Curbs and Bowyer were appointed largely because we didn't want to or couldn't spend money on anybody else. Powell was totally unproven as a manger but much loved. And all the peope who know so much about football don't get how being much loved does add to your chances for a number of reasons if you have the other qualities to.
Plenty of people including quite a few on this site think football in England is broken. I’m one of them. The pyramid of money is ludicrously skewed. Footballers in the top two divisions at least get paid far too much. By that I mean average players not the very few elites and beyond their actual worth to the club. Agents bleed too much money out of the sport and things like loyalty and players hanging around for best part of their careers at one club are rare. The ordinary fan, certainly in the PL is being priced out of attending. Imagine being an Arsenal fan with two boys to take. Everything is about money, money money. The beautiful game in a holistic way has suffered. I think there have been people who have tried to buck the system in the way they run their clubs and tried to do things “their way” I think Thomas could well be one of those. Unfortunately the system and football establishment is stacked heavily against anyone daring to attempt something different. My guess is that eventually TS will be beaten into recognition that only conformity works and will at that point either succumb to the weight of pressure to conform or decide to sell up. I still love watching the 90 minutes but pretty much everything in football outside of that I’ve grown to detest. Every season I find something to make me fall out of love with football just a little bit more. No idea where my tipping point is.
On
the footballing side of operations, I know we need a manager/head
coach and enough players to a build a promotion chasing squad, and
I'm sure that's where the focus is at present, but do we also need a
Director of Football too do you think?
It could be the
reason Ben Chorley resigned from Swindon, to join Ben Garner and his
assistants, assuming they're coming here, or do I remember seeing that dismissed
as an unrelated coincidence by TS earlier in the week?
On
the non footballing side, the last couple of appointments made since
April, Brian Jokat as COO, and Ron Dangerfield as the new Club
Secretary, do seem to have experience of sports/football
administration so I assume they're working to try and improve things
behind the scenes, if that's what's
needed.
Mark Warburton would make a good director of Football at 59 with his experience of coaching, management, Negotiation on contracts, and the amount of contacts he has in the pro game over the last 28 years or so since giving up his lucrative business career in the city to follow his football dream.
The caveat, he needs to be on the same page with the new manager as well as TS, and that may well be the stumbling block as not only would the relationship between the 3 need to bond well but would the money be available to pay a "director of Football" and a manager/coach ?
Whoops, I seem to have stumbled onto the TS thread. Does anyone know where the new manager thread went?
Ha Ha, but yes, as has been mentioned previously any announcement on a new manager cannot seemingly be made until Monday at the earliest - and who even believes it might be then?
This is because the intelligence suggests that TS is not flying in until Monday and it appears that the man wants to set his own agenda which might not be to the taste of someone else or indeed anyone else (cue people saying well he owns the Club he can do what he likes).
So, as we await developments it is reasonable in the interim perhaps to start to look on this thread at the myth, the man, the saviour? that is Thomas Sangagaard for clues as to what drives him and what he might look for in a new manager.
Of course, all of the evidence/conjecture/speculations so far suggests Garner (now ex-Swindon?)
but TS is such a tease and he does like to provoke (e.g. his insistence to rename Charlton Women to Charlton Ladies against the wishes of, well just about everyone wasn't it - including the team themselves?).
So, can't really say with any certainty that he won't spin it out and, who knows, if he did go with Jonathan Acworth* then it wouldn't entirely be a surprise, to me anyway.
Seriously, I hope now that it's Garner and that TS just gets on with it but the showmanship that he takes great pleasure in exhibiting may yet backfire on him..... let's hope not because he undoubtedly saved the club, now he needs to get the next decisions right.....good luck and we await next week... it would be nice if we could get a manager in before the fixtures are announced in a few weeks!
*fan and erstwhile self-appointed 'guru' on player recruitment many years ago who was never short of opinions on lower league players who would be a sensation at The Valley if only given the chance, and voiced in the pages of the Mercury, SLP (and possibly even in VOTV and Goodbye Horse on rare occassions).
All these business experts, great to see the minds of Harvard Business school here
Your sarcasm actually makes the underlining point though.
Most on here don't have the requisite insight, acumen and expertise to run a business in the manner of a Harvard Business School grad without expert assistance and guidance and would likely bumble through making material mistakes at the expense of the business' potential for success.
Similar to owning a football club with absolutely no experience or acumen for doing so without getting a good level of knowledge and experience on board to advise.
I find it difficult to understand why the Swindon Chairman cannot shed any light on his own manager’s position for legal reason. He either employs the man or he does not. What legal reasons can hinder his own football club from making a comment on their own employees. Looking forward to any explanations!
Could be Swindon are set to lose more than just Garner. The DoF has already resigned and rumours are that if Garner moves to Charlton or anywhere else he will bring two coaching staff with him. If negotiations re compensation are ongoing there might well be a non disclosure agreement in place. Who knows, it could be Swindon are sueing Charlton for an illegal approach. It could be for many reasons.
More likely the compensation has been agreed but he hasn’t got it yet.
I find it difficult to understand why the Swindon Chairman cannot shed any light on his own manager’s position for legal reason. He either employs the man or he does not. What legal reasons can hinder his own football club from making a comment on their own employees. Looking forward to any explanations!
Could be Swindon are set to lose more than just Garner. The DoF has already resigned and rumours are that if Garner moves to Charlton or anywhere else he will bring two coaching staff with him. If negotiations re compensation are ongoing there might well be a non disclosure agreement in place. Who knows, it could be Swindon are sueing Charlton for an illegal approach. It could be for many reasons.
More likely the compensation has been agreed but he hasn’t got it yet.
Money issues our end you mean ??
No, just that the compo won’t have been paid before it’s even been announced and it’s not for them to announce it.
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Most on here don't have the requisite insight, acumen and expertise to run a business in the manner of a Harvard Business School grad without expert assistance and guidance and would likely bumble through making material mistakes at the expense of the business' potential for success.
Similar to owning a football club with absolutely no experience or acumen for doing so without getting a good level of knowledge and experience on board to advise.
My bestie is Cardiff.
All that seems to be happening at CAFC does have a familiar ring to it.
Once his eyes and ears left, Ged Roddy, Martin Sandgaard became that person even if his Job is about recruitment.
Charlton are becoming entrenched in the 3rd tier and I don't believe the majority of cafc fan/critics will give any manager the time he needs to put his identity on the team.
We have seen over the years at many clubs having Business acumen doesn't always dovetail with Football acumen.
The paradox is we need a strong character as a manager and I'm not convinced that the remit from Thomas Sandgaard will allow that as he said he needs to hire someone he has a good relationship with. Of course, but it feels like it will be one sided.
Does anyone know where the new manager thread went?
I thought the timing of the JJ sacking was a strange one, but I like the idea of bringing in someone with no past connection to the club and play an attacking formation that suits the squad we have (we do need to recruit), a mixture of youth and experienced players who are more than capable of playing in the 3rd tier with talent to play in the 2nd tier with the right coaching team developing them. I hope our next manager is able to do this, as well as having a decent player budget. Garner for me would be a very good appointment.
if TS fails then we are in deep shit, I doubt he will 🤞🤞
On the footballing side of operations, I know we need a manager/head coach and enough players to a build a promotion chasing squad, and I'm sure that's where the focus is at present, but do we also need a Director of Football too do you think?
It could be the reason Ben Chorley resigned from Swindon, to join Ben Garner and his assistants, assuming they're coming here, or do I remember seeing that dismissed as an unrelated coincidence by TS earlier in the week?
On the non footballing side, the last couple of appointments made since April, Brian Jokat as COO, and Ron Dangerfield as the new Club Secretary, do seem to have experience of sports/football administration so I assume they're working to try and improve things behind the scenes, if that's what's needed.
Or Poundland?
As Thomas Sandgaard is the owner who will select the manager then not sure how we can speculate on who the new manager will be without some reference to TS ?
Thank goodness for that.
Once blimmin Wimbledon Tennis passes we are on our way, the summer is boring.
Should have the fixtures soon, and any silly buggers cup draws completed.
Pre season friendlies coming up.
At least the shenanigans has kept this summer interesting.
My hope for next season is for the communications department to make a better offer for Charlton TV subscribers, by that I mean reliability and comprehensive coverage.
Comprehensive coverage of all U18 games, whose highlights are to be metronomically posted no more than 48 hours after games, and the same reliable 48 hour deadline after U23 games.
I want to pay for football coverage, not behind the scenes with Oliver Dowden and the like.
Mark Warburton would make a good director of Football at 59 with his experience of coaching, management, Negotiation on contracts, and the amount of contacts he has in the pro game over the last 28 years or so since giving up his lucrative business career in the city to follow his football dream.
The caveat, he needs to be on the same page with the new manager as well as TS, and that may well be the stumbling block as not only would the relationship between the 3 need to bond well but would the money be available to pay a "director of Football" and a manager/coach ?
This is because the intelligence suggests that TS is not flying in until Monday and it appears that the man wants to set his own agenda which might not be to the taste of someone else or indeed anyone else (cue people saying well he owns the Club he can do what he likes).
So, as we await developments it is reasonable in the interim perhaps to start to look on this thread at the myth, the man, the saviour? that is Thomas Sangagaard for clues as to what drives him and what he might look for in a new manager.
Of course, all of the evidence/conjecture/speculations so far suggests Garner (now ex-Swindon?)
but TS is such a tease and he does like to provoke (e.g. his insistence to rename Charlton Women to Charlton Ladies against the wishes of, well just about everyone wasn't it - including the team themselves?).
So, can't really say with any certainty that he won't spin it out and, who knows, if he did go with Jonathan Acworth* then it wouldn't entirely be a surprise, to me anyway.
Seriously, I hope now that it's Garner and that TS just gets on with it but the showmanship that he takes great pleasure in exhibiting may yet backfire on him..... let's hope not because he undoubtedly saved the club, now he needs to get the next decisions right.....good luck and we await next week... it would be nice if we could get a manager in before the fixtures are announced in a few weeks!
*fan and erstwhile self-appointed 'guru' on player recruitment many years ago who was never short of opinions on lower league players who would be a sensation at The Valley if only given the chance, and voiced in the pages of the Mercury, SLP (and possibly even in VOTV and Goodbye Horse on rare occassions).
And that goes for everyone......