A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.
In the Championship, loans apart?
Holmes, Taylor, Williams, JFC, Pratley (3 years younger) would have all improved us last season.........
Even Magennis, Novak or Ajose might have been better than no one.
Dijksteel, Bauer. There weren’t many but he gave us a squad that went up and if he hadn’t sold, I’m sure we would have stayed up , albeit maybe only for one more season . I am not condoning the criminal negligence/ apathy of the latter part of his ownership , nor the hideous interference of the first part but I’m not convinced by the new guy . Being better than RD isn’t a high bar .
A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.
In the Championship, loans apart?
Guomundsson surely? Prem quality player vetekole was class b4 his injury Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player
A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.
In the Championship, loans apart?
Guomundsson surely? Prem quality player vetekole was class b4 his injury Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player
To be fair we were in Championship so obviously can attract better players than what thomas can now in league 1 , not really comparing apples with apples there tbh
A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.
In the Championship, loans apart?
Guomundsson surely? Prem quality player vetekole was class b4 his injury Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player
A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.
In the Championship, loans apart?
Guomundsson surely? Prem quality player vetekole was class b4 his injury Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player
That's the point, we were in the Championship, so of course he signed better players than we have under TS.
A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
For the actual sake of fuck. Where's the evidence to say that he's worse than Duchatelet, a man who sent an email trying to explain to Chris Powell how formations worked and sent him random work experience kids on loan as well as a goalkeeper he didn't even know was coming? Is there a three week cut off of having no manager where you can just say whatever random shit you want and people nod their heads enthusiastically? I'm not loving the current situation myself but can we stop inventing stuff? We're Charlton fans, we've got enough to worry about as it is.
Duchatelet certainly brought in some shit players, with Thuram being the most obvious (plus LePoint of course) but he also brought in several that were far better than anything Sandgaard has managed.
In the Championship, loans apart?
Guomundsson surely? Prem quality player vetekole was class b4 his injury Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player
Some, SOME, of the championship players we signed under RD were the best players we have had since the premiership years. JBG, TBH, Buyens, Boulet, Igor, Diarra, BFG etc etc. Some of them were total shit as well.
We also signed some good players in league 1, but you could well argue that that was despite Roland and his set up.
Remember the good ones RD signed for us - we are still paying for them with his ridiculously inflated valuation of the club
he didn’t get them for us for nothing…
We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
Of course it's more sustainable, its only costing 8 million a year as opposed to the 10 it cost then........
Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?
Wouldn't he have to? He doesn't have the ground to hold onto like Roland did.
Exactly, people band around words like sustainable and the like, but I can't see how it is anywhere near sustainable no matter how much you wish it to be true.
Especially as Thomas has a finite level of cash.
The fact that that quote came from someone, I think we would all agree, that is at least somewhat successful in business makes me stratch my head.
I know he is an optimistic guy, I know he has some interest, I know he believes in Thomas, but to claim its sustainable? Really?
Given that TS isn't evidently flying in until Monday - so no manager announcement until then at the very earliest....could I drop in this tangent to while away the time.....?
It's just that it illustrates graphically the kind of craziness which seems to possess owners of football clubs when they start to doubt their own employees and begin to introduce friends or family members into the set up.
In 2013 the owner of Cardiff City, Vincent Tan, brought his son to the Welsh Club simply to 'hang out' there and take the temperature of the club.' Tan junior thought it would be a good idea, literally, to give the ground a new lick of paint during the close season. Step forward friend of the young Tan one Alisher Apsalyamov a 23 year old East European student hired as a painter and decorator on a 'work experience' basis.
Alisher Apsalyamov (AA for short) happened to mention to Tan (during his tea break?) that he had watched some of Cardiff's then Premiership games on TV and he had a few ideas on how to improve the team. This was good enough for Tan who suspended his head of player recruitment Ian Moody and got AA down off his ladder, promoting him into Moody's position.
A club spokesman at the time said: Apsalyamov's role will be to focus on gathering data on individual players and he will be responsible for the January transfer window.*
Any resemblance to similar events at Charlton Athletic FC either now or in the past is entirely coincidental.
*Aspsalyamov left Cardiff City one week before the January transfer window having failed to obtain a work permit. It is not known whether he recommended any players to Cardiff City or whether he finished his paintwork.
I expect Garner to be announced, probably next week. Failing that there is likely to be a public fall-out. Jackson’s higher compensation hinged on finishing eighth or higher, which was probably already impossible when he took over, although personally I think he is better off at AFCW.
To offer some broader context a lot of the scepticism about TS is driven from within the club, playing side and non-playing side. There is certainly a private view of him among ex-pros that is much more sceptical than the public one.
i don’t think anyone wants him to fail, still less be organising any opposition to him. I won’t be doing that regardless. But wanting him to succeed won’t make it happen.
This is basically my view of it, Sandgaard is a nice guy and has the best of intentions but that doesn't mean he's going to run the club properly or effectively.
I mean, I love wine and consider myself a very affable chap, but if you put me in charge of the Chateau Rothschild and let me run the place with zero experience and taking no advice from industry professionals then it won't be long before you're buying a bottle of Château Lafite for ten quid at Tescos rather than the current price of two thousand quid a bottle.
The best managers appoint experienced and capable people and let THEM run the show, offering only a gentle hand on the shoulder when needed.
Let's be honest folks, football is a cesspit of an industry and naïve arrivistes like Sandgaard, and before him Tony Fernandes at QPR, get their pants pulled down very quickly, something even Fernandes himself admits.
Key quote from the article below: "There is no substitute to hard work, getting the right people and listening to them."
The problem is that folks like Sandgaard, as nice as he may be, has made a couple of hundred millions dollars in medical devices running things HIS way, so will take some convincing that this approach is not going to work in football and that he needs to listen to others and let them run the show.
Sadly, I think we are going to have to go through a fair bit of pain before that happens.
I expect Garner to be announced, probably next week. Failing that there is likely to be a public fall-out. Jackson’s higher compensation hinged on finishing eighth or higher, which was probably already impossible when he took over, although personally I think he is better off at AFCW.
To offer some broader context a lot of the scepticism about TS is driven from within the club, playing side and non-playing side. There is certainly a private view of him among ex-pros that is much more sceptical than the public one.
i don’t think anyone wants him to fail, still less be organising any opposition to him. I won’t be doing that regardless. But wanting him to succeed won’t make it happen.
This is basically my view of it, Sandgaard is a nice guy and has the best of intentions but that doesn't mean he's going to run the club properly or effectively.
I mean, I love wine and consider myself a very affable chap, but if you put me in charge of the Chateau Rothschild and let me run the place with zero experience and taking no advice from industry professionals then it won't be long before you're buying a bottle of Château Lafite for ten quid at Tescos rather than the current price of two thousand quid a bottle.
The best managers appoint experienced and capable people and let THEM run the show, offering only a gentle hand on the shoulder when needed.
Let's be honest folks, football is a cesspit of an industry and naïve arrivistes like Sandgaard, and before him Tony Fernandes at QPR, get their pants pulled down very quickly, something even Fernandes himself admits.
Key quote from the article below: "There is no substitute to hard work, getting the right people and listening to them."
Given that TS isn't evidently flying in until Monday - so no manager announcement until then at the very earliest....could I drop in this tangent to while away the time.....?
It's just that it illustrates graphically the kind of craziness which seems to possess owners of football clubs when they start to doubt their own employees and begin to introduce friends or family members into the set up.
In 2013 the owner of Cardiff City, Vincent Tan, brought his son to the Welsh Club simply to 'hang out' there and take the temperature of the club.' Tan junior thought it would be a good idea, literally, to give the ground a new lick of paint during the close season. Step forward friend of the young Tan one Alisher Apsalyamov a 23 year old East European student hired as a painter and decorator on a 'work experience' basis.
Alisher Apsalyamov (AA for short) happened to mention to Tan (during his tea break?) that he had watched some of Cardiff's then Premiership games on TV and he had a few ideas on how to improve the team. This was good enough for Tan who suspended his head of player recruitment Ian Moody and got AA down off his ladder, promoting him into Moody's position.
A club spokesman at the time said: Apsalyamov's role will be to focus on gathering data on individual players and he will be responsible for the January transfer window.*
Any resemblance to similar events at Charlton Athletic FC either now or in the past is entirely coincidental.
*Aspsalyamov left Cardiff City one week before the January transfer window having failed to obtain a work permit. It is not known whether he recommended any players to Cardiff City or whether he finished his paintwork.
Ha!Ha! Had forgotten all about this! A "classic", which is so indicative of the "plastic football" encouraged by the Premiership and EFL. Reminded me, the "AA for short", need to be held at arms length if their "approved dealer" scam is still operating. Six weeks in, it breaks down bigtime. £1400 lost, and two months later, I finally get it back. These people need to stick to breakdowns, at which they seem reasonably good. They should take their snouts out of other "areas of opportunity". Rather like many who destroy football clubs.
Thomas Sandgaard is an American businessman. Generally speaking their capabilities are outweighed by their ambition. It is an accepted way of operating in the US. You set unrealistic targets - playing in Europe, Premier League in 5 years etc.. UK culture doesn’t really work like this - generally we think when people say things it’s going to happen or at least have a realistic chance of making it happen.
Thomas Sandgaard is an American businessman. Generally speaking their capabilities are outweighed by their ambition. It is an accepted way of operating in the US. You set unrealistic targets - playing in Europe, Premier League in 5 years etc.. UK culture doesn’t really work like this - generally we think when people say things it’s going to happen or at least have a realistic chance of making it happen.
Interesting. Got any actual examples to support your opinion? Besides, I though Thomas was Danish.
I could see this a mile off. Classic case of somebody thinking he is cleverer than he is. I don't mean generally, I'm sure he is very talented when it it comes to other things as his wealh testifies to, but football is different. If you own a club, it is all about getting the right people in working for you but there has to be a lot of trial and error involved. Then when you have it, you back them. Knowing what you don't know is such a quality or having the money to throw at it all where it doesn't matter.
Any manager could still be a success. I'm sure Fraeye won't be appointed. But ultimately, the managers available to us represent no less risk than JJ except that he knew the strengths and weaknesses of what we have far better and he would have been having the conversations and planning weeks ago. If there was something Sandgaard was not happy about JJ that we don't know, fair enough, then you have Euell. In our modern history, we have always succeeded in giving somebody a chance who has subsequently run with it. Curbs and Bowyer were appointed largely because we didn't want to or couldn't spend money on anybody else. Powell was totally unproven as a manger but much loved. And all the peope who know so much about football don't get how being much loved does add to your chances for a number of reasons if you have the other qualities to.
I think Sandgaard regards himself as a latter day Walter Raleigh. He'll (metaphorically speaking) finish his game of bowls before attending business.
Raleigh had a measure of success before a brief imprisonment and speedy execution. His last words were to his executioner, words that are uttered time and again at the Valley. "Strike man, strike!"
Bumped into Thomas in Primark, he said he was going to announce a manager today but thought best to hold off out of respect for Her Majesty. We shook hands and sang two verses of God Save The Queen, which everyone in Primark stopped in their tracks and joined in. Was quite moving tbh and goes better with the electric guitar than I realised.
Can I read into this that the next manager will have previously managed at Primark?
I think Sandgaard regards himself as a latter day Walter Raleigh. He'll (metaphorically speaking) finish his game of bowls before attending business.
Raleigh had a measure of success before a brief imprisonment and speedy execution. His last words were to his executioner, words that are uttered time and again at the Valley. "Strike man, strike!"
Thomas Sandgaard is an American businessman. Generally speaking their capabilities are outweighed by their ambition. It is an accepted way of operating in the US. You set unrealistic targets - playing in Europe, Premier League in 5 years etc.. UK culture doesn’t really work like this - generally we think when people say things it’s going to happen or at least have a realistic chance of making it happen.
Interesting. Got any actual examples to support your opinion? Besides, I though Thomas was Danish.
He operates his business in the USA and will no doubt affect US business practise. By the way, I can give you quite a few examples but it would be boring. Probably the biggest in terms of scale was when I was a Divisional CEO of a Public Company. It was 50% owned by famous US investors. One of them came over to give a speech at our employee conference and stood on the podium and told everyone that we would have a market valuation of £1bn within 3 years when all of us running the business knew that was impossible and we operated wholly in the UK and prior to the speech he hadn’t discussed this with us. We never got past £300m. Just to clarify, I am grateful to TS for saving the club and I am supportive of him but the mistakes are starting to mount up and we need to stay realistic.
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not condoning the criminal
negligence/ apathy of the latter part of his ownership , nor the hideous interference of the first part but I’m not convinced by the new guy . Being better than RD isn’t a high bar .
vetekole was class b4 his injury
Ben Haim was getting on but a decent player
Bauer
Diarra
Another two there
We also signed some good players in league 1, but you could well argue that that was despite Roland and his set up.
he didn’t get them for us for nothing…
We are run significantly more prudently right now. It may not be exciting for some but it’s a lot more sustainable
Thomas is just going to write it off it goes Pete tong?
Especially as Thomas has a finite level of cash.
The fact that that quote came from someone, I think we would all agree, that is at least somewhat successful in business makes me stratch my head.
I know he is an optimistic guy, I know he has some interest, I know he believes in Thomas, but to claim its sustainable? Really?
It's just that it illustrates graphically the kind of craziness which seems to possess owners of football clubs when they start to doubt their own employees and begin to introduce friends or family members into the set up.
In 2013 the owner of Cardiff City, Vincent Tan, brought his son to the Welsh Club simply to 'hang out' there and take the temperature of the club.' Tan junior thought it would be a good idea, literally, to give the ground a new lick of paint during the close season. Step forward friend of the young Tan one Alisher Apsalyamov a 23 year old East European student hired as a painter and decorator on a 'work experience' basis.
Alisher Apsalyamov (AA for short) happened to mention to Tan (during his tea break?) that he had watched some of Cardiff's then Premiership games on TV and he had a few ideas on how to improve the team. This was good enough for Tan who suspended his head of player recruitment Ian Moody and got AA down off his ladder, promoting him into Moody's position.
A club spokesman at the time said: Apsalyamov's role will be to focus on gathering data on individual players and he will be responsible for the January transfer window.*
Any resemblance to similar events at Charlton Athletic FC either now or in the past is entirely coincidental.
*Aspsalyamov left Cardiff City one week before the January transfer window having failed to obtain a work permit. It is not known whether he recommended any players to Cardiff City or whether he finished his paintwork.
I mean, I love wine and consider myself a very affable chap, but if you put me in charge of the Chateau Rothschild and let me run the place with zero experience and taking no advice from industry professionals then it won't be long before you're buying a bottle of Château Lafite for ten quid at Tescos rather than the current price of two thousand quid a bottle.
The best managers appoint experienced and capable people and let THEM run the show, offering only a gentle hand on the shoulder when needed.
Let's be honest folks, football is a cesspit of an industry and naïve arrivistes like Sandgaard, and before him Tony Fernandes at QPR, get their pants pulled down very quickly, something even Fernandes himself admits.
Key quote from the article below: "There is no substitute to hard work, getting the right people and listening to them."
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/tony-fernandes-recalls-i-was-100-naive-early-days-qpr-shareholder-rare-warning-newcastle
The problem is that folks like Sandgaard, as nice as he may be, has made a couple of hundred millions dollars in medical devices running things HIS way, so will take some convincing that this approach is not going to work in football and that he needs to listen to others and let them run the show.
Sadly, I think we are going to have to go through a fair bit of pain before that happens.
Besides, I though Thomas was Danish.
Any manager could still be a success. I'm sure Fraeye won't be appointed. But ultimately, the managers available to us represent no less risk than JJ except that he knew the strengths and weaknesses of what we have far better and he would have been having the conversations and planning weeks ago. If there was something Sandgaard was not happy about JJ that we don't know, fair enough, then you have Euell. In our modern history, we have always succeeded in giving somebody a chance who has subsequently run with it. Curbs and Bowyer were appointed largely because we didn't want to or couldn't spend money on anybody else. Powell was totally unproven as a manger but much loved. And all the peope who know so much about football don't get how being much loved does add to your chances for a number of reasons if you have the other qualities to.
Raleigh had a measure of success before a brief imprisonment and speedy execution. His last words were to his executioner, words that are uttered time and again at the Valley. "Strike man, strike!"
Just to clarify, I am grateful to TS for saving the club and I am supportive of him but the mistakes are starting to mount up and we need to stay realistic.