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  • edited May 2022
    I would have liked Challinor from Stockport as manager but obviously won't happen. Interesting to see how County do in L2 next season.
  • 1968CAFC said:
    I am getting very fed up with our owner.
    he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
    Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
    What like saving the club when no one else had the bollocks or money to take on the crooks and the financial commitment … take on a club during a pandemic that was on its knees after years of assist stripping left us with a shell of a club ..these actions you mean … people have very short memories years and years of neglect not going to be sorted in 18 months 

    The first bit is true. The second part is a fallacy.

    Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out. 

    Wigan did it. Bolton too.

    All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not. 

    Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.

    It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.

    This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.

    We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.

    The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even  Jackson).

    What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?
    Exactly - you need the right people in charge.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    1968CAFC said:
    I am getting very fed up with our owner.
    he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
    Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
    What like saving the club when no one else had the bollocks or money to take on the crooks and the financial commitment … take on a club during a pandemic that was on its knees after years of assist stripping left us with a shell of a club ..these actions you mean … people have very short memories years and years of neglect not going to be sorted in 18 months 

    The first bit is true. The second part is a fallacy.

    Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out. 

    Wigan did it. Bolton too.

    All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not. 

    Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.

    It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.

    This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.

    We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.

    The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even  Jackson).

    What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?
    If you even take out the "summer of Powell" to of our other promotion winnings teams of recentish times were put together very quickly.

    Illic, Mills, Youds, Bowen, Heaney, Bright, Mendonca (7)

    And

    Purrington, Cullen, Bielik, Pratley, Taylor, Parker (6)

    All joined after the previous season finished.  That's over half the teams that started the play off finals.

    In pure first team terms 4 transfer windows in we are arguably worse off than when we started. 

    The women's team, training ground investment, fan engagement is all nice to have but it doesn't really matter if we are stuck in the middle of league 1, does it? 
    Did mills and youds sign in the summer or January. Not arguing against what you are saying, it's more to do with my ageing brain
  • DubaiCAFC said:
    paulfox said:
    There you go, Stuart Pearce steps down as West Ham coach, it’s got to be him!!!!!😬🤣
    I have heard lots of podcast ex players playing under him, and ever single one, have said he is the worst manager they have played under. Changing rooms ran riot, no man management, tactical unaware, lacked personality! I really hope not
    I think seeing him from the outside as manager, we could have guessed that may be the situation, I’d be gutted if some how my joking ended up as fact. Loved him as a player, but not having him as a manager.
  • edited May 2022
    1968CAFC said:
    I am getting very fed up with our owner.
    he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
    Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
    What like saving the club when no one else had the bollocks or money to take on the crooks and the financial commitment … take on a club during a pandemic that was on its knees after years of assist stripping left us with a shell of a club ..these actions you mean … people have very short memories years and years of neglect not going to be sorted in 18 months 

    The first bit is true. The second part is a fallacy.

    Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out. 

    Wigan did it. Bolton too.

    All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not. 

    Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.

    It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.

    This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.

    We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.

    The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even  Jackson).

    What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?
    Don’t necessarily disagree with a lot of the sentiment here Rodney. 

    However I am not sure if we can really say that building a competitive football team is overly complex or not. You mention Wigan and Bolton as successes, but neglect to mention all the many other teams who have not been. If there is a simple easy solution, why is it that so many teams year after year, even those with financial backing, or are well run, have not managed to achieve the goals they wanted?

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  • edited May 2022
    Swisdom said:
    It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect.  The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.

    it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
    He’s owned the club for almost two years now. 
    Yeah, and we should at least have made a top four place in the premiership. We are fucked! ;)
  • Redrobo said:
    Swisdom said:
    It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect.  The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.

    it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
    He’s owned the club for almost two years now. 
    A year and a half and has done a remarkable job so far, but still a lot to be done to restore our Club.
    Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.
    I don't see how he has done a remarkable job at all. But I do look at the men's first team as the priority indicator of the club's progress and everything else is secondary. 

    But I appreciate others look at broader aspects.
  • Iir addick1956 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    1968CAFC said:
    I am getting very fed up with our owner.
    he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises.
    Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
    What like saving the club when no one else had the bollocks or money to take on the crooks and the financial commitment … take on a club during a pandemic that was on its knees after years of assist stripping left us with a shell of a club ..these actions you mean … people have very short memories years and years of neglect not going to be sorted in 18 months 

    The first bit is true. The second part is a fallacy.

    Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out. 

    Wigan did it. Bolton too.

    All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not. 

    Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.

    It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.

    This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.

    We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.

    The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even  Jackson).

    What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?
    If you even take out the "summer of Powell" to of our other promotion winnings teams of recentish times were put together very quickly.

    Illic, Mills, Youds, Bowen, Heaney, Bright, Mendonca (7)

    And

    Purrington, Cullen, Bielik, Pratley, Taylor, Parker (6)

    All joined after the previous season finished.  That's over half the teams that started the play off finals.

    In pure first team terms 4 transfer windows in we are arguably worse off than when we started. 

    The women's team, training ground investment, fan engagement is all nice to have but it doesn't really matter if we are stuck in the middle of league 1, does it? 
    Did mills and youds sign in the summer or January. Not arguing against what you are saying, it's more to do with my ageing brain
    I actually think they signed in March.
    Illic and maybe Heaney too. Youds was Dec time I think
    This was pre transfer windows.

    Iirc Mills and Youds did sign in March for the late push. 
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  • DubaiCAFC said:
    paulfox said:
    There you go, Stuart Pearce steps down as West Ham coach, it’s got to be him!!!!!😬🤣
    I have heard lots of podcast ex players playing under him, and ever single one, have said he is the worst manager they have played under. Changing rooms ran riot, no man management, tactical unaware, lacked personality! I really hope not
    He was a massive Lurkers fan. No way would he put up with Sandgaard’s pomp rock. 
  • Redrobo said:
    Swisdom said:
    It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect.  The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.

    it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
    He’s owned the club for almost two years now. 
    A year and a half and has done a remarkable job so far, but still a lot to be done to restore our Club.
    Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.
    On what planet has he done a remarkable job? 

    Fair play to him for buying us and putting his hard earned money in, but really, he’s doing a shit job - we just finished in the bottom half of league one ffs.
  • FAVADDICK said:
    Remarkable job 

    4th manager is 2 years 
    One of the worse seasons going 
    Separated from stadium and training ground
    No manager 
    Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc) 

    Yup remarkable job 👏
    And still no fans wi-fi switched back on!
  • FAVADDICK said:
    Remarkable job 

    4th manager is 2 years 
    One of the worse seasons going 
    Separated from stadium and training ground
    No manager 
    Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc) 

    Yup remarkable job 👏
    Bowyer left on his own accord .. 



  • If you’re gonna do a bullet point analysis of TS’s performance as owner at least be grown up enough to include “spent 8m of his own money to keep us afloat” as well, let’s not get all agendafied.
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