It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
He’s owned the club for almost two years now.
A year and a half and has done a remarkable job so far, but still a lot to be done to restore our Club. Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.
I don't see how he has done a remarkable job at all. But I do look at the men's first team as the priority indicator of the club's progress and everything else is secondary.
I am getting very fed up with our owner. he does not convince me at all with his ego driven bullshit and promises. Actions speak louder than words/Bullshit.👎👎
What like saving the club when no one else had the bollocks or money to take on the crooks and the financial commitment … take on a club during a pandemic that was on its knees after years of assist stripping left us with a shell of a club ..these actions you mean … people have very short memories years and years of neglect not going to be sorted in 18 months
The first bit is true. The second part is a fallacy.
Regardless of how many years of neglect the key part ie assembling a competitive football team is not overly complex if you or those around you know what you are doing and shouldn't take 18 months to sort out.
Wigan did it. Bolton too.
All this "take time to turn around the years of damage" might hold water if it was a complex failing business and having to unwind unknown debts and derivative contracts etc but it's not.
Yes there might be off the field stuff that will take a while to enhance but that is not relevant to how long it should take to assemble a squad to compete in the third tier of English football if you have people who know what they're doing.
It's not complicated as Sandgaard himself said.
This illusion of undoing years of neglect is a complete self perpetuating myth.
We had Cullen, Taylor, beliek, Bauer etc under Duchatelet albeit he was an utter wrong un.
The problem in the main is we've been mismanaged from the top down with awful owners and poor managers and owners that have hindered half decent managers like Powell, Bowyer and (who knows even Jackson).
What neglect and danage is there to sort out beyond getting knowledgeable people in to identify, recruit and mould competitive 3rd division side?
If you even take out the "summer of Powell" to of our other promotion winnings teams of recentish times were put together very quickly.
All joined after the previous season finished. That's over half the teams that started the play off finals.
In pure first team terms 4 transfer windows in we are arguably worse off than when we started.
The women's team, training ground investment, fan engagement is all nice to have but it doesn't really matter if we are stuck in the middle of league 1, does it?
Did mills and youds sign in the summer or January. Not arguing against what you are saying, it's more to do with my ageing brain
I actually think they signed in March.
Illic and maybe Heaney too. Youds was Dec time I think
This was pre transfer windows.
Iirc Mills and Youds did sign in March for the late push.
It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
He’s owned the club for almost two years now.
A year and a half and has done a remarkable job so far, but still a lot to be done to restore our Club. Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.
First team has gone backwards None of the pie in the sky outside revenue has materialised Reduced ST numbers Free ticket fiasco Ridiculous staff turnover across the club
I’m not sure how the job has been remarkable, as someone living abroad I love the much improved CAFCTV, but how many people will actually care about that?
How we need a youngish intelligence Manager/coach to come along with a strategy to compete in League 1 while developing a style of play that can be functional when needs be and flair when possible and build a club.
That can only happen if Thomas Sandgaard allows the new man to have the casting vote on incoming players and backs the guy with support. Also Thomas needs to as well!
The crowd at the ground or on social media need to accept the 5 year plan as it was presented by Thomas when he first took over was bravado and totally unrealistic.
I believe Thomas Sandgaard is a decent man with an ego; I'm not into rock music, (now) but will put up with that malarkey as long as the football side is well run and we see a competitive side who play with an edge.
There you go, Stuart Pearce steps down as West Ham coach, it’s got to be him!!!!!😬🤣
I have heard lots of podcast ex players playing under him, and ever single one, have said he is the worst manager they have played under. Changing rooms ran riot, no man management, tactical unaware, lacked personality! I really hope not
He was a massive Lurkers fan. No way would he put up with Sandgaard’s pomp rock.
It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
He’s owned the club for almost two years now.
A year and a half and has done a remarkable job so far, but still a lot to be done to restore our Club. Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.
What has so far been remarkable in the job done so far?
He will always get huge credit for saving the club. In no way am I comparing him to theses owners but the same was also said of Fryer, Slater/Jimmenz and RD in terms of saving the club
It’s not just the team that needs to recover from its neglect. The fact we have pretty much a skeleton staff in the background doesn’t help the professionalism of the club sometimes and that’s something else it gets lambasted for.
it is being addressed I believe but it’s not an overnight fix
He’s owned the club for almost two years now.
A year and a half and has done a remarkable job so far, but still a lot to be done to restore our Club. Really hoping we can put a good side together so we don’t have to drag the negativity along.
On what planet has he done a remarkable job?
Fair play to him for buying us and putting his hard earned money in, but really, he’s doing a shit job - we just finished in the bottom half of league one ffs.
4th manager is 2 years One of the worse seasons going Separated from stadium and training ground No manager Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
4th manager is 2 years One of the worse seasons going Separated from stadium and training ground No manager Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
4th manager is 2 years One of the worse seasons going Separated from stadium and training ground No manager Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
Yup remarkable job 👏
On the manager point - Bowyer walked, Adkins had a good end to the season he took over - so initially looked a good appointment, he was then sacked (and rightly so), Jackson impressed in the caretaker spell, and the fans would have been up in arms if he hadn’t got the job. Jackson failed his remit and was outed.
4th manager is 2 years One of the worse seasons going Separated from stadium and training ground No manager Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
The knives are out for poor old Thomas, I see. He's a newbie at this game, that's pretty obvious, seemingly confusing running a football club with running a business.
However, one thing really surprises me: when he was in the process of buying the club, doing due dilligence, etc ....... he told us he went to the best financial advisors in London, people who'd been long involved with football club finance and had built a fine reputation doing so.
I can't quite understand why he didn't also do that with the football club side of things? I know he trusted Ged Roddy - but he needed to talk to other experienced CEOs, chairmen, etc ......maybe he did, but he does seem to have followed his own path regardless.
Often the best starting point is working to the tried and tested, leaning on the experience of staff that know the job inside out, keeping things simple. Maybe he did but saw too much that needed reorganising?
If you’re gonna do a bullet point analysis of TS’s performance as owner at least be grown up enough to include “spent 8m of his own money to keep us afloat” as well, let’s not get all agendafied.
- Saved us from almost certain administration or even liquidation - Over optimistic quotes, likely underestimated the challenge - Managerial appointments that looked good on paper but didn't work out - Signings that looked good on paper but didn't work out - a man that clearly wants us to do well but has been naive about this level of football - has spent a significant amount of his own money to bankroll us - has made some strange/bad decisions namely the women's team name - Is spending money and effort to attain cat 1 status for our academy (would be the first league 1 side ever to do this)
Anyone who focuses solely on the bad points or good points must look at the whole package.
Has TS been a great owner so far? No. Has TS been a shit owner so far? No.
- Saved us from almost certain administration or even liquidation - Over optimistic quotes, likely underestimated the challenge - Managerial appointments that looked good on paper but didn't work out - Signings that looked good on paper but didn't work out - a man that clearly wants us to do well but has been naive about this level of football - has spent a significant amount of his own money to bankroll us - has made some strange/bad decisions namely the women's team name - Is spending money and effort to attain cat 1 status for our academy (would be the first league 1 side ever to do this)
Anyone who focuses solely on the bad points or good points must look at the whole package.
Has TS been a great owner so far? No. Has TS been a shit owner so far? No.
A very well balanced post and I agree with most of what you say. All I would like to add is that with the right people in place to advise him his mistakes could have been less. He still insists on doing things his own way so although I believe his intentions are honourable I believe he will continue to make mistakes. The longer we remain in league one the bigger his losses will be. I'm not so sure he will be here long term if we don't go up in the next season or two.
There you go, Stuart Pearce steps down as West Ham coach, it’s got to be him!!!!!😬🤣
I have heard lots of podcast ex players playing under him, and ever single one, have said he is the worst manager they have played under. Changing rooms ran riot, no man management, tactical unaware, lacked personality! I really hope not
He was a massive Lurkers fan. No way would he put up with Sandgaard’s pomp rock.
Is it true that he was on the cover of one of the albums(Fulham Fallout)? Or is it just an urban myth?
4th manager is 2 years One of the worse seasons going Separated from stadium and training ground No manager Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
Yup remarkable job 👏
4th manager, one walked to manage at a richer level.
separate ground from training ground. Roland was never going to part with them unless he got an over inflated price. Ts did what was needed to buy the club and ultimately keep the club alive. Bit harsh to blame him for that one.
Well Melbourne Victory lost for the first time after a club record run of 13 matches undefeated Beaten by new boys Western United managed by John Alloisi .So a prudent TS could pick up a manager of the future in Tony Popovich.now Melbourne Victory has come to an unexpected end. Mebe even alloisi The final next W E will be between Melbourne City (of the City group) and Western united who have reached the final in their 3rd year in the A League with a tenth of the budget that City have got. Two or three youth players in this final that our scouts could watch
You want to bore our fans to death with either of those options?
What about the third option the youth players that our crap scouts could run the rule over-3 have left the A League to play in Britain this season .All for higher teams than our Charlton (if you take Hearts as higher) Riley McGree .Nat Atkinson and Connor Chapman. Marko Tillio of City will be next for sure, after this W/E final-- I suppose Ange Postocoglou was a bit of a bore ,until he went to Glasgow Celtic ---Remember the names
If you’re gonna do a bullet point analysis of TS’s performance as owner at least be grown up enough to include “spent 8m of his own money to keep us afloat” as well, let’s not get all agendafied.
I got told off by Airman for suggesting there may be agendas against TS. Be careful a lot of people knoshed him off with likes aswell!!!. You’ll go on the naughty step.😂😂
Anyway, to get back on topic, anyone for Pardew coming back? ;-)
Careful what you wish for, gone very quiet on our so called favourites, so who knows.. Sure it was claimed a few pages back that we would all see our new manager by today, but nothing yet, so you could well end up with fourth or fifth choice, Nige is still available don't forget...
- Saved us from almost certain administration or even liquidation - Over optimistic quotes, likely underestimated the challenge - Managerial appointments that looked good on paper but didn't work out - Signings that looked good on paper but didn't work out - a man that clearly wants us to do well but has been naive about this level of football - has spent a significant amount of his own money to bankroll us - has made some strange/bad decisions namely the women's team name - Is spending money and effort to attain cat 1 status for our academy (would be the first league 1 side ever to do this)
Anyone who focuses solely on the bad points or good points must look at the whole package.
Has TS been a great owner so far? No. Has TS been a shit owner so far? No.
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But I appreciate others look at broader aspects.
Iirc Mills and Youds did sign in March for the late push.
None of the pie in the sky outside revenue has materialised
Reduced ST numbers
Free ticket fiasco
Ridiculous staff turnover across the club
I’m not sure how the job has been remarkable, as someone living abroad I love the much improved CAFCTV, but how many people will actually care about that?
That can only happen if Thomas Sandgaard allows the new man to have the casting vote on incoming players and backs the guy with support. Also Thomas needs to as well!
The crowd at the ground or on social media need to accept the 5 year plan as it was presented by Thomas when he first took over was bravado and totally unrealistic.
I believe Thomas Sandgaard is a decent man with an ego; I'm not into rock music, (now) but will put up with that malarkey as long as the football side is well run and we see a competitive side who play with an edge.
He will always get huge credit for saving the club. In no way am I comparing him to theses owners but the same was also said of Fryer, Slater/Jimmenz and RD in terms of saving the club
4th manager is 2 years
One of the worse seasons going
Separated from stadium and training ground
No manager
Poor appointments behind scenes ( roddy etc)
Yup remarkable job 👏
let’s keep this to the potential new manager speculation please
He's a newbie at this game, that's pretty obvious, seemingly confusing running a football club with running a business.
However, one thing really surprises me: when he was in the process of buying the club, doing due dilligence, etc ....... he told us he went to the best financial advisors in London, people who'd been long involved with football club finance and had built a fine reputation doing so.
I can't quite understand why he didn't also do that with the football club side of things?
I know he trusted Ged Roddy - but he needed to talk to other experienced CEOs, chairmen, etc ......maybe he did, but he does seem to have followed his own path regardless.
Often the best starting point is working to the tried and tested, leaning on the experience of staff that know the job inside out, keeping things simple.
Maybe he did but saw too much that needed reorganising?
At this stage, I don't doubt his good intentions.
- Saved us from almost certain administration or even liquidation
- Over optimistic quotes, likely underestimated the challenge
- Managerial appointments that looked good on paper but didn't work out
- Signings that looked good on paper but didn't work out
- a man that clearly wants us to do well but has been naive about this level of football
- has spent a significant amount of his own money to bankroll us
- has made some strange/bad decisions namely the women's team name
- Is spending money and effort to attain cat 1 status for our academy (would be the first league 1 side ever to do this)
Anyone who focuses solely on the bad points or good points must look at the whole package.
Has TS been a great owner so far? No.
Has TS been a shit owner so far? No.
All I would like to add is that with the right people in place to advise him his mistakes could have been less.
He still insists on doing things his own way so although I believe his intentions are honourable I believe he will continue to make mistakes.
The longer we remain in league one the bigger his losses will be.
I'm not so sure he will be here long term if we don't go up in the next season or two.
separate ground from training ground. Roland was never going to part with them unless he got an over inflated price. Ts did what was needed to buy the club and ultimately keep the club alive. Bit harsh to blame him for that one.
the other two, agreed
Riley McGree .Nat Atkinson and Connor Chapman. Marko Tillio of City will be next for sure, after this W/E final-- I suppose Ange Postocoglou was a bit of a bore ,until he went to Glasgow Celtic ---Remember the names
Sure it was claimed a few pages back that we would all see our new manager by today, but nothing yet, so you could well end up with fourth or fifth choice, Nige is still available don't forget...