i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
So technically it’s not actually clear is it? Too much is being made of this at the moment, why they are being judged collectively before we’ve even signed a player this pre season is beyond me. If they sign what is perceived by the majority to be a good signing are we going to say it couldn’t have been anything to do with MS? The mischievous side of me is almost hoping our best signing turns out to be on the back of his data, now that would button a few lips!!🤣🤣
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
We also know he's got analysts reporting into him who have backgrounds in football, so the analysis isn't coming from him alone.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
That's exactly why there is all this back and forth. We don't KNOW what he does.
We know what Thomas says he does. We know what Gallen says now, what Gallen said previously, what would be reasonable for him to do and we hear rumour and innuendo from all sorts of people. None of them are the same.
And to answer @paulfox the word on the street is that he signed our best player last season.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
So technically it’s not actually clear is it? Too much is being made of this at the moment, why they are being judged collectively before we’ve even signed a player this pre season is beyond me. If they sign what is perceived by the majority to be a good signing are we going to say it couldn’t have been anything to do with MS? The mischievous side of me is almost hoping our best signing turns out to be on the back of his data, now that would button a few lips!!🤣🤣
I wouldn't say too much is being made of it. We used to have Driesden who was more qualified and experienced for that kind of role than Martin is and his position was massively questioned by fans. It's definitely possible that it will work out well and I am glad we are using a lot of data in our recruitment. I just think it's a bit concerning/risky having someone who probably wouldn't even get an interview for this role at a league 2 club in such an important role
like all the other peripheral stuff, it will all be forgotten if garner is a success and i really don't think that will be anything to do with MS, however much is made about the recruitment 'committee', black box and all that - it's gonna be down to garner and how much TS is prepared to spend
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
That's exactly why there is all this back and forth. We don't KNOW what he does.
We know what Thomas says he does. We know what Gallen says now, what Gallen said previously, what would be reasonable for him to do and we hear rumour and innuendo from all sorts of people. None of them are the same.
And to answer @paulfox the word on the street is that he signed our best player last season.
Oh!, well that will go down well😂, I genuinely couldn’t give a toss who signs the players as long as they perform better than last season, which isn’t really going to take much. Will be nice to see a couple to get the ball rolling.👍
I have to agree that some of the negativity on here is mind-boggling.
I’d say the last 48 hours - with a new manager appointed and evidence of major strides being made at the training ground - are reasons for a modicum of rare positivity in the last decade.
Time to look forward. Accept Thomas is trying to do right by CAFC, have some faith and optimism, and put our all into supporting his and the team’s efforts.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
That's exactly why there is all this back and forth. We don't KNOW what he does.
We know what Thomas says he does. We know what Gallen says now, what Gallen said previously, what would be reasonable for him to do and we hear rumour and innuendo from all sorts of people. None of them are the same.
And to answer @paulfox the word on the street is that he signed our best player last season.
Oh!, well that will go down well😂, I genuinely couldn’t give a toss who signs the players as long as they perform better than last season, which isn’t really going to take much. Will be nice to see a couple to get the ball rolling.👍
It's been regularly mentioned on here for about 6 months!!
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
That's exactly why there is all this back and forth. We don't KNOW what he does.
We know what Thomas says he does. We know what Gallen says now, what Gallen said previously, what would be reasonable for him to do and we hear rumour and innuendo from all sorts of people. None of them are the same.
And to answer @paulfox the word on the street is that he signed our best player last season.
I don’t think Martin was involved in last summer’s recruitment? I might be wrong on that but I thought he took Roddys place on our recruitment committee? Wouldn’t be shocked if the analysis team picked out Dobson as he was a bit of an under the radar signing that I don’t think many expected much from. I think if Martin had been instrumental in signing Dobson then we’d have definitely heard about it from TS considering he brought up the Fraser signing when asked about what Martin does
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
That's exactly why there is all this back and forth. We don't KNOW what he does.
We know what Thomas says he does. We know what Gallen says now, what Gallen said previously, what would be reasonable for him to do and we hear rumour and innuendo from all sorts of people. None of them are the same.
And to answer @paulfox the word on the street is that he signed our best player last season.
Oh!, well that will go down well😂, I genuinely couldn’t give a toss who signs the players as long as they perform better than last season, which isn’t really going to take much. Will be nice to see a couple to get the ball rolling.👍
It's been regularly mentioned on here for about 6 months!!
Lol, I skimmed over that then, so why is he getting so many pelters when nobody really knows what he’s doing, but is responsible for our best player?, bit odd really. Or was he just lucky?.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
So technically it’s not actually clear is it? Too much is being made of this at the moment, why they are being judged collectively before we’ve even signed a player this pre season is beyond me. If they sign what is perceived by the majority to be a good signing are we going to say it couldn’t have been anything to do with MS? The mischievous side of me is almost hoping our best signing turns out to be on the back of his data, now that would button a few lips!!🤣🤣
I wouldn't say too much is being made of it. We used to have Driesden who was more qualified and experienced for that kind of role than Martin is and his position was massively questioned by fans. It's definitely possible that it will work out well and I am glad we are using a lot of data in our recruitment. I just think it's a bit concerning/risky having someone who probably wouldn't even get an interview for this role at a league 2 club in such an important role
As people are choosing to overlook, he isn’t having the final say, so I don’t see why it’s concerning, they have said it’s a team effort, there is enough experience to over ride any bad ideas he has. If his name wasnt sandgaard the concern would be less of an issue I suspect. As I say there is no evidence either way to suggest he is or isn’t doing a good enough job.
If you lot are such experts at data analysis, why can’t you even enter your data into the correct thread? This is the transfer rumour thread, not arguing about what Martin Sandgaard does or does not do.
i see the black box thing as just a useful check on stats, injuries, disciplinaries etc etc - i doubt its ever used as a primary way of identifying players
I would guess it is used a lot more than that, and probably similar at most football clubs. They will definitely be using it to identify targets for each position. I have no problem with this, providing the manager is happy with the player and checks are done their character etc… the problem I have is that Martin is in charge of the analysis, rather than someone who had been working in football as a recruitment analyst with years of experience
He is head of the analyst team. Are you saying that none of them have been working in football before?
He has never worked in data analysis never mind football!
Better than that, he has managed a team of data analysts for a long time. Do you know any data analysts? Can they get figures you want? Can they interpret them? Do they tell you that figures don’t lie?
The identifying of players is a small part of the job anyway, with the majority of the work concentrating on players fitness. They don’t wear those bras for fun!
He is working alongside SG which must be a fantastic experience and a great education. He did of course also play football at a better level than most, so it’s not like he has never watched a game. But he also has a role representing and reporting to his dad and this role within the Club that allows him to do that.
Martin could be our owner at some point, and there must be a fair chance that he will be our CEO. Best he learns by doing these jobs IMO. It is what I would do if it was my son.
I have co founded what is going to be the largest sports sponsorship database on the planet - using 6 separate data sources including a global survey panel of 1.5 billion people, media and social listening data, search data, social engagement data, and sponsorship investment data garnered from over 500,000 historical deals. Allowing brands to instantly and accurately find the best sports and entertainment rights holders for them - and automating a connection with them.
He is not a data expert. As I have said many times this is not a personal slant - he could be a lovely guy for all I know. But a CV is a factual record of your career. He has jumped around his dads business but isn't a data expert.
The point I was trying to make is that he does not need to be a data ‘expert’.
People who run things employ people and companies like yours to provide the data. You sound like you provide a fantastic service and no doubt present the information that the decision makers need and in a format that even an idiot could understand; and if they needed more information you could quickly drill down and retrieve it.
I had data and exception reports presented to me daily by one of the teams I managed. I did not need to know how they got it, but I did know if it was not giving me the information that I needed, and in a format that suited me, so I could make informed decisions. It is why I know you can deliver information that even an idiot will understand it!
Good luck with your business, it sounds exciting.
He surely needs to be an expert in either football or data analysis? He has no qualifications or experience in either. We should have the best possible people in each role, especially a role that important. We could have easily got someone in that role that has qualifications and experience in a similar role in football which would surely be a better option than Martin
He doesn't need to be an expert in anything if he is just managing people and a process. He doesn't need to be an expert in anything other than implementing a system if that's what he is doing. He doesn't need anything other than eyes or ears to be his eyes and ears if that's what he is doing.
If.
That’s not just what he’s doing though, he’s clearly involved in the recruitment team watching/analysing players and making judgements. Would like to hear from him what he’s involved in but at the moment what we have to go on is what TS has said
That's exactly why there is all this back and forth. We don't KNOW what he does.
We know what Thomas says he does. We know what Gallen says now, what Gallen said previously, what would be reasonable for him to do and we hear rumour and innuendo from all sorts of people. None of them are the same.
And to answer @paulfox the word on the street is that he signed our best player last season.
Oh!, well that will go down well😂, I genuinely couldn’t give a toss who signs the players as long as they perform better than last season, which isn’t really going to take much. Will be nice to see a couple to get the ball rolling.👍
It's been regularly mentioned on here for about 6 months!!
Lol, I skimmed over that then, so why is he getting so many pelters when nobody really knows what he’s doing, but is responsible for our best player?, bit odd really. Or was he just lucky?.
It was mentioned a fair bit (well once MS was named as Roddy's data replacement anyway).
Nobody really knew what any of them did because the narrative constantly changed, people liked to discuss the recruitment committee, it's member's and it's merits, some people decide to take any criticism and reasonable debate around the Sandgaard's and processes personally.
One of the main arguments around Martin's experience and skills stems from the GED Roddy hate, Roddy was the worst person to enter se7 and according to everyone, shouldn't have been anywhere near recruitment because of him not being qualified for it, that feeling changed when the data persons name became Sandgaard.
Yes you can get lucky making dddm, you can also make proper informed decisions, you can also sign Charlie Kirk's and Ronnie Schwartz' - hence the interest in debate.
YOuVe gOT aN AgEnDa dOugH, yOu aiNt pRopER ChARltoN, WhErEs yOuR 8 miLliOn etc.
The BBC web site has an article on the transfer window opening for Premiership. In the article it says that the window for teams in the EFL opened when the season ended. Just saying.
I reckon we will end up with Joe Wollacott (Swindon’s goalie) and that will be some coup.
Ghanas number 1, made team of the season, contract is up in the summer and I imagine would be the kind of keeper Garner wants.
McG is absolutely turd with his feet and AMB is up in the air due to his injury record imo, I reckon we will have a new #1 next season.
The keeper is an interesting one. 25 so a good age, but has made less than 50 league appearances.
Made the league two team of the season despite Swindon having the worst defensive record in the top 10, so are we to assume he kept them in a lot of games and they'd have leaked more without him?
Ghana international but hasn't been away with them for their games this month. Is he injured?
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We know what Thomas says he does. We know what Gallen says now, what Gallen said previously, what would be reasonable for him to do and we hear rumour and innuendo from all sorts of people. None of them are the same.
And to answer @paulfox the word on the street is that he signed our best player last season.
There is a Martin thread for all this shit.
It was mentioned a fair bit (well once MS was named as Roddy's data replacement anyway).
Nobody really knew what any of them did because the narrative constantly changed, people liked to discuss the recruitment committee, it's member's and it's merits, some people decide to take any criticism and reasonable debate around the Sandgaard's and processes personally.
One of the main arguments around Martin's experience and skills stems from the GED Roddy hate, Roddy was the worst person to enter se7 and according to everyone, shouldn't have been anywhere near recruitment because of him not being qualified for it, that feeling changed when the data persons name became Sandgaard.
Yes you can get lucky making dddm, you can also make proper informed decisions, you can also sign Charlie Kirk's and Ronnie Schwartz' - hence the interest in debate.
YOuVe gOT aN AgEnDa dOugH, yOu aiNt pRopER ChARltoN, WhErEs yOuR 8 miLliOn etc.
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Transfer rumour recap.
Goes without saying but some will see that as TS encouraging offers.
I wonder what that amount is, £2m, £3m?
If he does go I’d like to think we’ll get a replacement in first.
Oh hang on, just seen that mentioned Ipswich, done deal then..
Just saying.
Made the league two team of the season despite Swindon having the worst defensive record in the top 10, so are we to assume he kept them in a lot of games and they'd have leaked more without him?
Ghana international but hasn't been away with them for their games this month. Is he injured?