I may be wrong, but I think that if you want to play passing/pressing football with quality it is normally more expensive than clear short cuts like long ball for instance or even more conventional systems. That is because more skilful players cost more surprisingly enough! And weak links spoil the passing, basically you need more quality players. This is fine, but if you don't fund this style, surely we would have been better trying to identify the biggest gaps/issues last season and resolve them or get loads of cheaper athletic players and bully the crap out of opponents.
When Wilder got out of League One with Sheff United - he had one talented player (Blonde no.7, can't recall his name) and the rest were physical bullies.
Wilder’s Sheff Utd played 5-3-2/3-5-2 using overlapping centre backs, you’re not going to make a system like that work so well without intelligence and technical ability. It worked so well they won two promotions in three years and then finished in the top half of the Prem.
He improved the team through that period. I'm not saying they were donkeys but they were a physical side and bullied teams. I saw it for myself. Nothing wrong with that btw. I like it.
He improved the team through that period. I'm not saying they were donkeys but they were a physical side and bullied teams. I saw it for myself. Nothing wrong with that btw. I like it.
You literally just said they had one talented player, and the reason they got out the league was because they were ‘physical bullies’ - when the team played a complete opposite style to that.
Foley, Crofts, Pearce, Fox and an ageing Jackson all starting, I’m not surprised. A top L1 team is going to be far too quick for a team like that, never mind the lack of ability and attacking threat across that XI.
He improved the team through that period. I'm not saying they were donkeys but they were a physical side and bullied teams. I saw it for myself. Nothing wrong with that btw. I like it.
You literally just said they had one talented player, and the reason they got out the league was because they were ‘physical bullies’ - when the team played a complete opposite style to that.
Yes, I didn't say they couldn't kick a ball or were donkies.
Put it this way, he won PL2 player of the season, which was won by Balogun the year before, who then was a regular starter on loan at Middlesbrough last season.
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
Chuks will be ideal for 30 minute cameos, especially with 5 subs now being allowed. The thing that a lot of us seem to feel is that we need at least one other striker who can play a whole game. FWIW I think we’ll sign a striker and an attacking forward/winger but we’ll have to make a couple of tough calls to balance the books. Ultimately I think we have to back Garner.
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
Chuks will be ideal for 30 minute cameos, especially with 5 subs now being allowed. The thing that a lot of us seem to feel is that we need at least one other striker who can play a whole game. FWIW I think we’ll sign a striker and an attacking forward/winger but we’ll have to make a couple of tough calls to balance the books. Ultimately I think we have to back Garner.
Who wants a cameo player? Put it this way I bet BG would rather have his wages and the £300k to invest than be stuck with someone who unfortunately just cannot be relied on at anytime
Put it this way, he won PL2 player of the season, which was won by Balogun the year before, who then was a regular starter on loan at Middlesbrough last season.
I like how he seems comfortable taking up positions centrally as well being able to take on people down the flanks. It’s something I’ve noticed about McKirdy when I’ve looked at his highlights, and it’s something I think we are missing as alluded to in my earlier post about Stockley.
Can’t remember once really seeing Kirk or CBT take up a central position.
He improved the team through that period. I'm not saying they were donkeys but they were a physical side and bullied teams. I saw it for myself. Nothing wrong with that btw. I like it.
They were physical and talented.
I don’t think just being athletic is enough anymore league 1 is worlds away from what it was 10 years ago in terms of talent and quality.
if we want to go up and stay up, I think we need to do it the right way, much like Wilder did, not with “one talented player” and some athletes.
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
Chuks will be ideal for 30 minute cameos, especially with 5 subs now being allowed. The thing that a lot of us seem to feel is that we need at least one other striker who can play a whole game. FWIW I think we’ll sign a striker and an attacking forward/winger but we’ll have to make a couple of tough calls to balance the books. Ultimately I think we have to back Garner.
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
Chuks will be ideal for 30 minute cameos, especially with 5 subs now being allowed. The thing that a lot of us seem to feel is that we need at least one other striker who can play a whole game. FWIW I think we’ll sign a striker and an attacking forward/winger but we’ll have to make a couple of tough calls to balance the books. Ultimately I think we have to back Garner.
Who wants a cameo player? Put it this way I bet BG would rather have his wages and the £300k to invest than be stuck with someone who unfortunately just cannot be relied on at anytime
You always have a striker on the bench. You bring them on 90% of the time.....
At 1-1 or 1-0 either way would you rather bring on Chuks, Washington or Davison? If your doing that 35 times a season what's the problem?
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
Chuks will be ideal for 30 minute cameos, especially with 5 subs now being allowed. The thing that a lot of us seem to feel is that we need at least one other striker who can play a whole game. FWIW I think we’ll sign a striker and an attacking forward/winger but we’ll have to make a couple of tough calls to balance the books. Ultimately I think we have to back Garner.
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
Chuks will be ideal for 30 minute cameos, especially with 5 subs now being allowed. The thing that a lot of us seem to feel is that we need at least one other striker who can play a whole game. FWIW I think we’ll sign a striker and an attacking forward/winger but we’ll have to make a couple of tough calls to balance the books. Ultimately I think we have to back Garner.
Who wants a cameo player? Put it this way I bet BG would rather have his wages and the £300k to invest than be stuck with someone who unfortunately just cannot be relied on at anytime
You always have a striker on the bench. You bring them on 90% of the time.....
At 1-1 or 1-0 either way would you rather bring on Chuks, Washington or Davison? If your doing that 35 times a season what's the problem?
You do indeed. The thing is that striker you bring on 90% of the time also usually ends up filling in for 90 minutes when others are suspended, injured, or it’s a busy schedule and they need a rest.
Aneke cant do any of them. Aneke can’t even get through a pre season where there’s less intensity and his minutes were more managed than any other player.
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
I said that last January and still get pelters now. People think I am obsessed with his inability to stay fit long enough for us not to need a photo to remember who he is. He can't complete a fucking game often and if there are two game in 4 days he cannot do that ! The same people have a go at Innis but he does complete games and is ready for another 4 days later. It is a shame he has problems.
Likewise Aneke but he just buggered off and then TS lumbered the team with Sick note 2. Aneke is treated like the 2nd coming by some and is immobile to others. He is neither.
If he got fit ,properly fit, he would be off again I think.
The difference is many people comment on Aneke once or twice, whereas you comment on Aneke multiple times, often daily and as you say, you have done since January.
Aneke is the best goal scoring substitute in this division and if he is used as such, we have the best.
What we clearly need to do is have sufficient strikers that Aneke is kept as the 30 min substitute. The issue is not that we resigned one of the best goal scorers in the division, it's recruiting suitable back up for Stockley or to possibly start alongside Stockley.
Put it this way, he won PL2 player of the season, which was won by Balogun the year before, who then was a regular starter on loan at Middlesbrough last season.
I like how he seems comfortable taking up positions centrally as well being able to take on people down the flanks. It’s something I’ve noticed about McKirdy when I’ve looked at his highlights, and it’s something I think we are missing as alluded to in my earlier post about Stockley.
Can’t remember once really seeing Kirk or CBT take up a central position.
I think that is more DJs game and how he is used best. But he’s still not that good and Rak-Sakyi is probably a lot better. In the Colchester game I noticed a few times DJ looked like he was playing as an attacking midfielder with Clayden so far forward being the outlet on the left meaning DJ could drift centrally
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
Chuks will be ideal for 30 minute cameos, especially with 5 subs now being allowed. The thing that a lot of us seem to feel is that we need at least one other striker who can play a whole game. FWIW I think we’ll sign a striker and an attacking forward/winger but we’ll have to make a couple of tough calls to balance the books. Ultimately I think we have to back Garner.
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
Chuks will be ideal for 30 minute cameos, especially with 5 subs now being allowed. The thing that a lot of us seem to feel is that we need at least one other striker who can play a whole game. FWIW I think we’ll sign a striker and an attacking forward/winger but we’ll have to make a couple of tough calls to balance the books. Ultimately I think we have to back Garner.
Who wants a cameo player? Put it this way I bet BG would rather have his wages and the £300k to invest than be stuck with someone who unfortunately just cannot be relied on at anytime
You always have a striker on the bench. You bring them on 90% of the time.....
At 1-1 or 1-0 either way would you rather bring on Chuks, Washington or Davison? If your doing that 35 times a season what's the problem?
Chuks but that only works if he's fit enough to be on the bench.
Don't think anyone else has mentioned it on CL but his fitness record isn't good, you know.
Chuks was due to have a scan today. We shall see soon enough if it was just a precaution or if he's going to miss games.
Put it this way, he won PL2 player of the season, which was won by Balogun the year before, who then was a regular starter on loan at Middlesbrough last season.
I like how he seems comfortable taking up positions centrally as well being able to take on people down the flanks. It’s something I’ve noticed about McKirdy when I’ve looked at his highlights, and it’s something I think we are missing as alluded to in my earlier post about Stockley.
Can’t remember once really seeing Kirk or CBT take up a central position.
I think that is more DJs game and how he is used best. But he’s still not that good and Rak-Sakyi is probably a lot better. In the Colchester game I noticed a few times DJ looked like he was playing as an attacking midfielder with Clayden so far forward being the outlet on the left meaning DJ could drift centrally
Yeah indeed. I thought the same with the Kilmarnock game - almost felt like Aneke and DJ were playing behind Davison-Ponytail.
The thing about the striker/forward situation for me is that I truly believe (however unlikely it is now looking), that we need/ed someone better than both Stockley and Aneke to get us out of this league.
The thing about the striker/forward situation for me is that I truly believe (however unlikely it is now looking), that we need/ed someone better than both Stockley and Aneke to get us out of this league.
I agree but also agree it is looking increasingly unlikely.
The thing about the striker/forward situation for me is that I truly believe (however unlikely it is now looking), that we need/ed someone better than both Stockley and Aneke to get us out of this league.
Wigan got promoted with both there main strikers scoring 15 and 12.
Rotherham had 19 and 11
Sunderland 24 and 10.
Stockley if he remains fit and plays a full season could get 15, same with Aneke.
I think we need to see more goal contributions from our wingers and midfielders if anything. Which we may get under Ben Garner’s attacking football (though conversely we may get less goals from Stockley because of the system).
The thing about the striker/forward situation for me is that I truly believe (however unlikely it is now looking), that we need/ed someone better than both Stockley and Aneke to get us out of this league.
Wigan got promoted with both there main strikers scoring 15 and 12.
Rotherham had 19 and 11
Sunderland 24 and 10.
Stockley if he remains fit and plays a full season could get 15, same with Aneke.
I think we need to see more goal contributions from our wingers and midfielders if anything. Which we may get under Ben Garner’s attacking football (though conversely we may get less goals from Stockley because of the system).
Our strike force as it stands will be the reason we do not compete at the top of the division sadly. Asking Stockley to drop in,control, pass and then get himself into the box continuously in a game is a stretch to say the least, Aneke just don’t see the point on relying on him whatsoever, how many games do we expect Aneke to play for for his 15 goals, in fact it’s not even games it’s minutes.
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
I said that last January and still get pelters now. People think I am obsessed with his inability to stay fit long enough for us not to need a photo to remember who he is. He can't complete a fucking game often and if there are two game in 4 days he cannot do that ! The same people have a go at Innis but he does complete games and is ready for another 4 days later. It is a shame he has problems.
Likewise Aneke but he just buggered off and then TS lumbered the team with Sick note 2. Aneke is treated like the 2nd coming by some and is immobile to others. He is neither.
If he got fit ,properly fit, he would be off again I think.
The difference is many people comment on Aneke once or twice, whereas you comment on Aneke multiple times, often daily and as you say, you have done since January.
Aneke is the best goal scoring substitute in this division and if he is used as such, we have the best.
What we clearly need to do is have sufficient strikers that Aneke is kept as the 30 min substitute. The issue is not that we resigned one of the best goal scorers in the division, it's recruiting suitable back up for Stockley or to possibly start alongside Stockley.
Can’t think of anyone else who has on the bench a player who can only ever do at most 30 minutes a week. Even so if that were the case it would be ok but he can’t be trusted to ever be fit to do so. And if he’s the only striker on the bench what happens when the one on the pitch gets injured after 10 minutes? Chuks would come on, saunter around like a big lump of wood, get petulant because he’s having to play too much football and get sent off so his fragile body can get a rest not just that game but for a few after. Whoever sanctioned his return, for a fee too, really needs to give his head a wobble. I never agree with @addick1956 on anything else but in this case he is spot on.
Aneke is a fucking cheat code and we are lucky to have him. If he plays 20 minutes every 3 games, that is 20 minutes where we are so much more likely to score
Rak Sakri would be a great signing.He first impressed me at the friendly at Selhurst Park last season.
I'm actually surprised they're not looking to try and get him a championship loan. England U20 international, already made his PL debut, he should be very good in league one.
Aneke is a fucking cheat code and we are lucky to have him. If he plays 20 minutes every 3 games, that is 20 minutes where we are so much more likely to score
Not a cheat code if he doesn’t score,gets frustrated like he does and either gets taken off or sent off. He is a complete luxury, but we haven’t got other forwards that should allow us that luxury. As it stands more of an own goal!!🤣
Aneke is a fucking cheat code and we are lucky to have him. If he plays 20 minutes every 3 games, that is 20 minutes where we are so much more likely to score
Mate apart from your view on Gilbey ( where we differ ) I normally agree with your posts. However this one is just silly ! How can you claim that if a player is on the pitch 20 mins out of a possible 270 is acceptable is beyond me ... sorry
Rak Sakri would be a great signing.He first impressed me at the friendly at Selhurst Park last season.
I'm actually surprised they're not looking to try and get him a championship loan. England U20 international, already made his PL debut, he should be very good in league one.
I guess on your first loan, you're really looking to be given first team football and maybe that wouldn't be so guaranteed in the Championship. We have had a few first loans over the last few years and they do seem to do better when they are nearer home. It could definitely be one to suit all parties. We'll just have to swallow that we're in a position to be taking Palace youngsters...
Chucks is an absolute shambles for our club the decision to bring him home was a shocker. How we are going into the season relying on this injury prone player says we are not going anywhere fast
I said that last January and still get pelters now. People think I am obsessed with his inability to stay fit long enough for us not to need a photo to remember who he is. He can't complete a fucking game often and if there are two game in 4 days he cannot do that ! The same people have a go at Innis but he does complete games and is ready for another 4 days later. It is a shame he has problems.
Likewise Aneke but he just buggered off and then TS lumbered the team with Sick note 2. Aneke is treated like the 2nd coming by some and is immobile to others. He is neither.
If he got fit ,properly fit, he would be off again I think.
The difference is many people comment on Aneke once or twice, whereas you comment on Aneke multiple times, often daily and as you say, you have done since January.
Aneke is the best goal scoring substitute in this division and if he is used as such, we have the best.
What we clearly need to do is have sufficient strikers that Aneke is kept as the 30 min substitute. The issue is not that we resigned one of the best goal scorers in the division, it's recruiting suitable back up for Stockley or to possibly start alongside Stockley.
Can’t think of anyone else who has on the bench a player who can only ever do at most 30 minutes a week. Even so if that were the case it would be ok but he can’t be trusted to ever be fit to do so. And if he’s the only striker on the bench what happens when the one on the pitch gets injured after 10 minutes? Chuks would come on, saunter around like a big lump of wood, get petulant because he’s having to play too much football and get sent off so his fragile body can get a rest not just that game but for a few after. Whoever sanctioned his return, for a fee too, really needs to give his head a wobble. I never agree with @addick1956 on anything else but in this case he is spot on.
Aneke gets injured when he's required to play more than 30 mins, especially when he starts games. I think we'd all agree Aneke is unique with his fitness issue. I agree you would need 2 strikers on the bench, Aneke pus A N Other. But I don't see that as a big problem with 5 subs (I think) on the bench. I'm still pleased we got him back, although I doubt anyone thinks it ideal. An alternative player with his goal scoring ability would likely cost £500K minimum. We had the opportunity to re-sign the player with the best or second best goal scoring record per minutes played in the division and took it. I can't think of another L1 goal scorer who can change/win a game and would be happy to sit on the bench. I'd rather Chuks on the bench than say Davison.
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Foley, Crofts, Pearce, Fox and an ageing Jackson all starting, I’m not surprised. A top L1 team is going to be far too quick for a team like that, never mind the lack of ability and attacking threat across that XI.
https://youtu.be/Oyq8KVT9nKo
if we want to go up and stay up, I think we need to do it the right way, much like Wilder did, not with “one talented player” and some athletes.
At 1-1 or 1-0 either way would you rather bring on Chuks, Washington or Davison? If your doing that 35 times a season what's the problem?
Aneke cant do any of them. Aneke can’t even get through a pre season where there’s less intensity and his minutes were more
managed than any other player.
Aneke is the best goal scoring substitute in this division and if he is used as such, we have the best.
What we clearly need to do is have sufficient strikers that Aneke is kept as the 30 min substitute.
The issue is not that we resigned one of the best goal scorers in the division, it's recruiting suitable back up for Stockley or to possibly start alongside Stockley.
Don't think anyone else has mentioned it on CL but his fitness record isn't good, you know.
Chuks was due to have a scan today. We shall see soon enough if it was just a precaution or if he's going to miss games.
10th.
Rotherham had 19 and 11
Sunderland 24 and 10.
Stockley if he remains fit and plays a full season could get 15, same with Aneke.
I think we need to see more goal contributions from our wingers and midfielders if anything. Which we may get under Ben Garner’s attacking football (though conversely we may get less goals from Stockley because of the system).
I think we'd all agree Aneke is unique with his fitness issue.
I agree you would need 2 strikers on the bench, Aneke pus A N Other.
But I don't see that as a big problem with 5 subs (I think) on the bench.
I'm still pleased we got him back, although I doubt anyone thinks it ideal.
An alternative player with his goal scoring ability would likely cost £500K minimum.
We had the opportunity to re-sign the player with the best or second best goal scoring record per minutes played in the division and took it.
I can't think of another L1 goal scorer who can change/win a game and would be happy to sit on the bench.
I'd rather Chuks on the bench than say Davison.