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He has certainly improved slightly, but I wouldn’t say stepped up like he’s been really great. If that’s what your saying?,then I think you are very easily pleased. As for your Gilbey comments, I’m pretty sure we can’t have been watching the same player. He had a couple of low key games, I’m guessing he was probably a bit knackered, those games also coincided with really poor team performances. They are different players but if you have to choose one, there isn’t even a debate to be had. I think Fraser replaces Morgan in the team with Gilbey and Dobson.Cordoban Addick said:
But we don't have a significant number of people saying that Morgan is our best midfielder and that he should be in every team. I think that most people on here had all but written him off as a first team player prior to the last few games.paulfox said:
This is why I enjoy this forum (most of the time), if you replaced the word Gilbey for Morgan I’d agree!!, but that one word makes me completely disagree with you. I’m probably being a little harsh on Morgan to be honest based his play on Monday. But I doubt Albie will continue to be first choice once the other players are up to speed.Cordoban Addick said:
I just don't see it, have held my tongue and watched and waited patiently but I do not see what Gilbey brings to the team. Last night he was not awful but he was our least good player. He does not score enough and he does not create enough, what does he bring to the team. His passing in other areas is not of sufficient quality.Oggy Red said:
I feel sure Gilbey himself would agree with that!paulfox said:
Agreed, Gilbey gives us real energy, with and without the ball. We become very pedestrian without him. He needs a little more consistency though.Oggy Red said:
We need Gilbey's running, movement and energy in the midfield.killerandflash said:
On current form, it would just as likely to be instead of GilbeyDagenhamAddick said:Good signing this. Get him in the right positions and play to his strengths then could be great. Reckon in place of Albie Morgan with the set up last night at Pompey might be a good shout.
Unless Morgan starts putting on performances to impress Chelsea, Gilbey is the player to team with Scott Fraser.
Right now, he's busting a gut for the team. Trying a bit too hard and losing a bit of composure.
Am I missing something?
I am really pleased that Albie has stepped up, I hope Alex does the same.1 -
i think our first choice centre mid will be dobson, gilbey and fraser with nile john covering for both dobson and gilbey and Lee for Fraser - i predict albie morgan will be at gillingham within a year and watson will have retired7
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No not what I am saying. Albie was better than Gilbey in the last game and better in his recent run than Gilbey was in his recent run. I am not running an Albie appreciation club, more I am questioning the belief that Gilbey is one of our better players. Recent games are an indicator of current form or possibly direction of travel in form. Players should be judged in the long term, probably over longer than a season. Both fall short for me.paulfox said:
He has certainly improved slightly, but I wouldn’t say stepped up like he’s been really great. If that’s what your saying?,then I think you are very easily pleased. As for your Gilbey comments, I’m pretty sure we can’t have been watching the same player. He had a couple of low key games, I’m guessing he was probably a bit knackered, those games also coincided with really poor team performances. They are different players but if you have to choose one, there isn’t even a debate to be had. I think Fraser replaces Morgan in the team with Gilbey and Dobson.Cordoban Addick said:
But we don't have a significant number of people saying that Morgan is our best midfielder and that he should be in every team. I think that most people on here had all but written him off as a first team player prior to the last few games.paulfox said:
This is why I enjoy this forum (most of the time), if you replaced the word Gilbey for Morgan I’d agree!!, but that one word makes me completely disagree with you. I’m probably being a little harsh on Morgan to be honest based his play on Monday. But I doubt Albie will continue to be first choice once the other players are up to speed.Cordoban Addick said:
I just don't see it, have held my tongue and watched and waited patiently but I do not see what Gilbey brings to the team. Last night he was not awful but he was our least good player. He does not score enough and he does not create enough, what does he bring to the team. His passing in other areas is not of sufficient quality.Oggy Red said:
I feel sure Gilbey himself would agree with that!paulfox said:
Agreed, Gilbey gives us real energy, with and without the ball. We become very pedestrian without him. He needs a little more consistency though.Oggy Red said:
We need Gilbey's running, movement and energy in the midfield.killerandflash said:
On current form, it would just as likely to be instead of GilbeyDagenhamAddick said:Good signing this. Get him in the right positions and play to his strengths then could be great. Reckon in place of Albie Morgan with the set up last night at Pompey might be a good shout.
Unless Morgan starts putting on performances to impress Chelsea, Gilbey is the player to team with Scott Fraser.
Right now, he's busting a gut for the team. Trying a bit too hard and losing a bit of composure.
Am I missing something?
I am really pleased that Albie has stepped up, I hope Alex does the same.
What I am saying is that there is a debate to be had and neither Gilbey nor Morgan have demonstrated enough to me that they are good enough to be first choice in a promotion winning team. Possibly both may be good enough for a promotion winning squad though. I think we might end up with a midfield of Dobson, Fraser and John.3 -
I really have no idea about John, so can’t comment which is why for me at the moment he’s not in the equation, he’s a young lad with promise but no game time at this level. I’d be interested to know if anyone has seen,heard about him and what they think. Should I be excited by us having him. If he is anything like Conor Gallagher I’d be over the moon!!.Cordoban Addick said:
No not what I am saying. Albie was better than Gilbey in the last game and better in his recent run than Gilbey was in his recent run. I am not running an Albie appreciation club, more I am questioning the belief that Gilbey is one of our better players. Recent games are an indicator of current form or possibly direction of travel in form. Players should be judged in the long term, probably over longer than a season. Both fall short for me.paulfox said:
He has certainly improved slightly, but I wouldn’t say stepped up like he’s been really great. If that’s what your saying?,then I think you are very easily pleased. As for your Gilbey comments, I’m pretty sure we can’t have been watching the same player. He had a couple of low key games, I’m guessing he was probably a bit knackered, those games also coincided with really poor team performances. They are different players but if you have to choose one, there isn’t even a debate to be had. I think Fraser replaces Morgan in the team with Gilbey and Dobson.Cordoban Addick said:
But we don't have a significant number of people saying that Morgan is our best midfielder and that he should be in every team. I think that most people on here had all but written him off as a first team player prior to the last few games.paulfox said:
This is why I enjoy this forum (most of the time), if you replaced the word Gilbey for Morgan I’d agree!!, but that one word makes me completely disagree with you. I’m probably being a little harsh on Morgan to be honest based his play on Monday. But I doubt Albie will continue to be first choice once the other players are up to speed.Cordoban Addick said:
I just don't see it, have held my tongue and watched and waited patiently but I do not see what Gilbey brings to the team. Last night he was not awful but he was our least good player. He does not score enough and he does not create enough, what does he bring to the team. His passing in other areas is not of sufficient quality.Oggy Red said:
I feel sure Gilbey himself would agree with that!paulfox said:
Agreed, Gilbey gives us real energy, with and without the ball. We become very pedestrian without him. He needs a little more consistency though.Oggy Red said:
We need Gilbey's running, movement and energy in the midfield.killerandflash said:
On current form, it would just as likely to be instead of GilbeyDagenhamAddick said:Good signing this. Get him in the right positions and play to his strengths then could be great. Reckon in place of Albie Morgan with the set up last night at Pompey might be a good shout.
Unless Morgan starts putting on performances to impress Chelsea, Gilbey is the player to team with Scott Fraser.
Right now, he's busting a gut for the team. Trying a bit too hard and losing a bit of composure.
Am I missing something?
I am really pleased that Albie has stepped up, I hope Alex does the same.
What I am saying is that there is a debate to be had and neither Gilbey nor Morgan have demonstrated enough to me that they are good enough to be first choice in a promotion winning team. Possibly both may be good enough for a promotion winning squad though. I think we might end up with a midfield of Dobson, Fraser and John.0 -
Lee has 4 assists from expected (xA) of 4.05. So not really any conclusions to draw from that.Chunes said:
Interesting about assists stats relying on finishers at the club. I can remember Lee laying on a few sitters that people have missed. Leko missing from about three yards out is one in particular I recall. Stockley missing two free headers from close range... I wonder what Lee's Expected Assists are, anyone have access to WyScout?Ferryman said:1 -
Good of such a massive club with such high standards like Ipswich let him go and pursue an easy life at a minnow like ourselves.Callumcafc said:Prick.7 -
Translated.Exiled_Addick said:
Good of such a massive club with such high standards like Ipswich let him go and pursue an easy life at a minnow like ourselves.Callumcafc said:Prick.
He got fed up with the smell of pig shit and training in wellys.1 -
Thought the same but wanted to share it on here anyway.Exiled_Addick said:
Good of such a massive club with such high standards like Ipswich let him go and pursue an easy life at a minnow like ourselves.Callumcafc said:Prick.
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My take on this is that Scott wanted to go to a club that valued him.Callumcafc said:
With Aluko and Carroll the Tractor Boys brought in other similar options.
I am still buzzing. This is an excellent signing.7 - Sponsored links:
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Agree. In truth, Ipswich used a scattergun approach in the summer and signed anyone with a pulse and talent. That approach will always have limited success as they haven't bought players to work to a system.Richard J said:
My take on this is that Scott wanted to go to a club that valued him.Callumcafc said:
With Aluko and Carroll the Tractor Boys brought in other similar options.
I am still buzzing. This is an excellent signing.
Scott Fraser knows what his strengths are and knows that our system is perfect for him. I honestly think this is the most exciting signing under the TS era so far. A real step up on what we have and could really help complete the puzzle.5 -
Didn’t think it came across anything like that , he just wasn’t a regular at Ipswich and wanted to be .Exiled_Addick said:
Good of such a massive club with such high standards like Ipswich let him go and pursue an easy life at a minnow like ourselves.Callumcafc said:Prick.
Nothing about us being a shithouse club 15th in league one, where anyone who can remotely play football will be a guaranteed starter and with the lack of attacking talent from midfield if you can hit a forward pass over 3 yards you’re considered a cert for inclusion .0 -
I like this kind of signing. Young enough with some pedigree, but with the potential to improve.
One word of warning ... my Dundee United mate (and, yes, I have one) thinks that Fraser is a good technical player, but can get bullied out of games. He is not a physical player.
It would explain why Pratley snuffed him out that time.
So, Fraser will need a 'minder' alongside him. I'm not sure we have someone like that.1 -
I'm under no illusions as to what we are right now, just if that's what we are then 6 league place and 5 points don't make Ipswich any better than us.oohaahmortimer said:
Didn’t think it came across anything like that , he just wasn’t a regular at Ipswich and wanted to be .Exiled_Addick said:
Good of such a massive club with such high standards like Ipswich let him go and pursue an easy life at a minnow like ourselves.Callumcafc said:Prick.
Nothing about us being a shithouse club 15th in league one, where anyone who can remotely play football will be a guaranteed starter and with the lack of attacking talent from midfield if you can hit a forward pass over 3 yards you’re considered a cert for inclusion .0 -
I think he’s implyIng that Fraser wasn’t prepared to graft it out and wait his turn at Ipswich and he’s spinning that line to the Ipswich public as you’d expect .
Fraser was pony for Ipswich when we tore them a new one in JJ’s golden era , as opposed to when he was at MK and he ran the show against us0 -
I could see Gilbey potentially filling that role - he does plenty of running and legwork but his final ball is not always great. In theory the two could complement each other fairly well... In theory.Dave Rudd said:I like this kind of signing. Young enough with some pedigree, but with the potential to improve.
One word of warning ... my Dundee United mate (and, yes, I have one) thinks that Fraser is a good technical player, but can get bullied out of games. He is not a physical player.
It would explain why Pratley snuffed him out that time.
So, Fraser will need a 'minder' alongside him. I'm not sure we have someone like that.1 -
This could be an excellent signing. At the moment, we're all scarred by what we've seen from Kirk, Souare, Watson that we need to see it to believe it.3
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Law of averages we can’t keep on signing shit7
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Isn't Fraser just like almost every league 1 player.
He is really good in a very specific, narrowly deified, position and role and not great at anything else?
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I thought I read somewhere he just didn't fit into the new shape and system their new manager brought in.oohaahmortimer said:I think he’s implyIng that Fraser wasn’t prepared to graft it out and wait his turn at Ipswich and he’s spinning that line to the Ipswich public as you’d expect .
Fraser was pony for Ipswich when we tore them a new one in JJ’s golden era , as opposed to when he was at MK and he ran the show against us
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The old manager played him in a number of different poistions/roles. None of which were identical to the one he played at Burton and MKD.Oggy Red said:
I thought I read somewhere he just didn't fit into the new shape and system their new manager brought in.oohaahmortimer said:I think he’s implyIng that Fraser wasn’t prepared to graft it out and wait his turn at Ipswich and he’s spinning that line to the Ipswich public as you’d expect .
Fraser was pony for Ipswich when we tore them a new one in JJ’s golden era , as opposed to when he was at MK and he ran the show against us0 -
I believe that was the problem though - I read that in 20 appearances, Fraser only played his own specialist position 3 times.Cafc43v3r said:
The old manager played him in a number of different poistions/roles. Not if which were identical to the one he played at Burton and MKD.Oggy Red said:
I thought I read somewhere he just didn't fit into the new shape and system their new manager brought in.oohaahmortimer said:I think he’s implyIng that Fraser wasn’t prepared to graft it out and wait his turn at Ipswich and he’s spinning that line to the Ipswich public as you’d expect .
Fraser was pony for Ipswich when we tore them a new one in JJ’s golden era , as opposed to when he was at MK and he ran the show against us
The other times he was shunted out to LW, etc
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Good interview, he seems switched on.clive said:3 -
Good read.clive said:
Fraser must be playing or at least in the Match Day squad tomorrow.
He finishes by saying."To make my debut in front of them on Saturday is something I’m really looking forward to".
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expect him on the bench tomorrow but to definitely get 20 mins or so1
