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Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic v Bolton Wanderers | Tuesday 28th September 2021
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I doubt it’s a bloke - probably a 12 year old keyboard warriorAirman Brown said:
“All this talk”? It’s just a bloke with a meaningless Twitter handle who is so in touch with events that he doesn’t even know Rotherham is an international weekend. Laughable.robroy said:All this talk of another protest smacks of a toddlers tantrum to me.We can’t keep bloody protesting every time we get a run of bad results. It’s embarrassing on and off the pitch. Some of the drivel and venom I’ve read on Twitter is sickening. People being very abusive to TS.As for last night I opted to save my £10 and read the match thread. Having watched the highlights it’s the basics yet again we fail to do in defence.The middle of the park is a stroll.The alarm bells should have rang for everyone when Morgan was given the number 10.0 -
So if its the structure (and not disagreeing necessarily) - why will getting rid of NA work? Aren't you suggesting the way TS /GR/NA work is the root issue and hence until that set up changes any new manager will also fail?Airman Brown said:
“All this talk”? It’s just a bloke with a meaningless Twitter handle who is so in touch with events that he doesn’t even know Rotherham is an international weekend. Laughable.robroy said:All this talk of another protest smacks of a toddlers tantrum to me.We can’t keep bloody protesting every time we get a run of bad results. It’s embarrassing on and off the pitch. Some of the drivel and venom I’ve read on Twitter is sickening. People being very abusive to TS.As for last night I opted to save my £10 and read the match thread. Having watched the highlights it’s the basics yet again we fail to do in defence.The middle of the park is a stroll.The alarm bells should have rang for everyone when Morgan was given the number 10.Sandgaard, of all people, knows what the fans are saying. I don’t personally see any point in giving Adkins Fleetwood, but I’d sack him regardless of the result. This structure doesn’t work - too many mistakes in the window, too many mistakes on the pitch. Results will bring it down. It’s only a question of when.
Change the structure and not the manager maybe?0 -
I still don't rate the goalkeeper. Apart from 1 good game earlier in the season, I think he's been crap!!0
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I think Adkins has lost all credibility and that won’t just be with the fans. Replacing him may not work, but I think it’s more likely to work than more of the same. We need to bring in someone who can call the shots and is in charge, accountable only to the owner. There’s no role for someone sitting in the background whispering in Sandgaard’s ear, especially if they don’t have a background in club management.valleynick66 said:
So if its the structure (and not disagreeing necessarily) - why will getting rid of NA work? Aren't you suggesting the way TS /GR/NA work is the root issue and hence until that set up changes any new manager will also fail?Airman Brown said:
“All this talk”? It’s just a bloke with a meaningless Twitter handle who is so in touch with events that he doesn’t even know Rotherham is an international weekend. Laughable.robroy said:All this talk of another protest smacks of a toddlers tantrum to me.We can’t keep bloody protesting every time we get a run of bad results. It’s embarrassing on and off the pitch. Some of the drivel and venom I’ve read on Twitter is sickening. People being very abusive to TS.As for last night I opted to save my £10 and read the match thread. Having watched the highlights it’s the basics yet again we fail to do in defence.The middle of the park is a stroll.The alarm bells should have rang for everyone when Morgan was given the number 10.Sandgaard, of all people, knows what the fans are saying. I don’t personally see any point in giving Adkins Fleetwood, but I’d sack him regardless of the result. This structure doesn’t work - too many mistakes in the window, too many mistakes on the pitch. Results will bring it down. It’s only a question of when.
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The players fitness is a big concern for me. Why can't they last 90 minutes after two months into the season? Bolton looked fit in the second half whilst we wilted.
We also suffer from not having a recognised leader on the pitch to take command of the players when their heads drop.
I thought we put out our strongest team last night and they impressed with that first half performance. What happened to our performance after their second goal still mystifies me.
Adkins wanted all his players ready for a full pre season. He was not given that. Last minute signings were "thrown in" at the very end of the window and he had to find a shape to put out a competitive team. The new players were also at varying levels of fitness. It's taken 2 months experimenting to finally reach a level of play that is beginning to make an impact. BUT, fitness and leadership is still wanting.
Disappointing as the results are, I am not sure a change of manager is good right now as the process will have to start all over again.6 -
Ok so if the answer is a change on manager ( I'm not saying it isn't) how would everyone feel if the new one comes in and says right I'm in charge and I'm bringing my own people in. Goodbye JJ, Goodbye everyone else involved in the coaching set up !
People cant pick and choose where to lay the blame due to sentiment. Who is our defensive coach ? He would be the first person I would be asking questions of2 -
Imagine the mood at the training ground this morning…..jeez3
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I think (I don't know) that TS may believe he needs to be strong and NOT sack him & try to promote the long term stability line. But it depends on who else (apart from GR) is whispering in his ear and may validate that the players have lost faith in NA.Airman Brown said:
I think Adkins has lost all credibility and that won’t just be with the fans. Replacing him may not work, but I think it’s more likely to work than more of the same. We need to bring in someone who can call the shots and is in charge, accountable only to the owner. There’s no role for someone sitting in the background whispering in Sandgaard’s ear, especially if they don’t have a background in club management.valleynick66 said:
So if its the structure (and not disagreeing necessarily) - why will getting rid of NA work? Aren't you suggesting the way TS /GR/NA work is the root issue and hence until that set up changes any new manager will also fail?Airman Brown said:
“All this talk”? It’s just a bloke with a meaningless Twitter handle who is so in touch with events that he doesn’t even know Rotherham is an international weekend. Laughable.robroy said:All this talk of another protest smacks of a toddlers tantrum to me.We can’t keep bloody protesting every time we get a run of bad results. It’s embarrassing on and off the pitch. Some of the drivel and venom I’ve read on Twitter is sickening. People being very abusive to TS.As for last night I opted to save my £10 and read the match thread. Having watched the highlights it’s the basics yet again we fail to do in defence.The middle of the park is a stroll.The alarm bells should have rang for everyone when Morgan was given the number 10.Sandgaard, of all people, knows what the fans are saying. I don’t personally see any point in giving Adkins Fleetwood, but I’d sack him regardless of the result. This structure doesn’t work - too many mistakes in the window, too many mistakes on the pitch. Results will bring it down. It’s only a question of when.
Change the structure and not the manager maybe?
Potentially GR is advising to do nothing as he helped identify NA and it reflects on him too?1 -
Had a bit of time to reflect on last night and I do believe its time for Adkins to go.
Whilst an arm round the shoulder for players is great, We need someone who is going to provide that whilst letting them know they MUST do better and laying into players (privately) as at the end of the day, this is there job and they arent performing. Alex Ferguson, for example, was great at that. Adkins looks out of touch tactically and I do get the feeling he is really on his own.
Whilst I dont think we will get relegated, we arent going up unless by some miracle. Personally I dont think the squad is a bad one BUT they are very unfit and not being used to full effect and I'm sorry as a professional team it isnt good enough that this many games in, this is still an issue.
Chopping and changing the smacks of desperation and like Curbs and Deano said, you cant build a team like that.
Overall the performance was better but no team should fade away like that after going down a goal.
As to who should take over, I cant think off the top of my head but I really do think Curbs should be in and around the team.
One things for sure, something needs to change.
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Watching the goals we concede, the players must be under the instruction to defend the box when the opposition attack.
Purrington doesn't get within 10 yards of the crossing player for their second goal, he runs along the edge of the box.
Its all well and good trying to stay compact but neither full back has any help from their wingers. So you've got a situation where all our defenders are in the box, and their wide players have an eternity to pick out a cross.
Then its panic stations, shit deflections or finishes from the edge of the box.12 - Sponsored links:
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Yes, it does almost seem like a deliberate ploy to give up a really dangerous part of the pitch, as it happens move after move, game after game...ValleyGary said:Watching the goals we concede, the players must be under the instruction to defend the box when the opposition attack.
Purrington doesn't get within 10 yards of the crossing player for their second goal, he runs along the edge of the box.
Its all well and good trying to stay compact but neither full back has any help from their wingers. So you've got a situation where all our defenders are in the box, and their wide players have an eternity to pick out a cross.
Then its panic stations, shit deflections or finishes from the edge of the box.
By contrast, we never have situations like that when we go forward, where we are just given time and space on the flanks to whizz the ball across the middle of the box, we have to earn it1 -
I’d be lying if I said I thought pre-match, our defence was the problem. I looked at it last night and said ah that’s the back four I wanted to see, should be very capable.
Sometimes in football you are genuinely left scratching your head.
MacG - been excellent apart from a few wobbles early on.
Matthews - am at a loss here. This guy was immense in the championship, one of our top performers, and if we are all honest, we was over the moon when we got him back last season, this season what’s gone wrong? Has his head gone, lack of motivation? Or have his legs gone, surely not he’s not old? Or is our midfield that bad he’s getting too much pressure to deal with? Baffling.
Lavelle - shown some promise but it’s clearly not going great for him if he’s part of the back four each match, will reserve judgment.
Famewo - another one I’m baffled by, I thought we were lucky to get him back, I thought he was excellent last season, so what’s gone wrong there?Gunter - I’ve seen enough, I don’t think he’s that bothered about being here to be honest, he’s got an income, still getting wales caps, he’s probably happy the way things are.
Purrington - still like the geeza, just coming back from injury so not gonna hammer him just yet.7 -
Embarrassing that three important goals against us in recent games are almost carbon copies of each other.
Two key things which are down to the management team and which need to be sorted now.
1/ team spirit is fragile to say the least. Now this may be down to the chopping and changing that has been going on but once the Bolton equaliser went in Charlton heads dropped and things began to fall apart. There was no leader on the pitch to get heads up and get back on track.
2/ fitness levels. Clare, B-T, Leko and Lee were all floundering by the hour mark. Their second goal was in part down to B-T not tracking back and Clare should have been pulled 15 mins before he was. It just isn't good enough for the majority of a team to be blowing out of their arse for the last half an hour. (Note that the Bolton manager rested some of his first pick and then introduced them to finish us off).0 -
Your probably right. I think it's a bigger problem than Adkins on his own though.Airman Brown said:
I think Adkins has lost all credibility and that won’t just be with the fans. Replacing him may not work, but I think it’s more likely to work than more of the same. We need to bring in someone who can call the shots and is in charge, accountable only to the owner. There’s no role for someone sitting in the background whispering in Sandgaard’s ear, especially if they don’t have a background in club management.valleynick66 said:
So if its the structure (and not disagreeing necessarily) - why will getting rid of NA work? Aren't you suggesting the way TS /GR/NA work is the root issue and hence until that set up changes any new manager will also fail?Airman Brown said:
“All this talk”? It’s just a bloke with a meaningless Twitter handle who is so in touch with events that he doesn’t even know Rotherham is an international weekend. Laughable.robroy said:All this talk of another protest smacks of a toddlers tantrum to me.We can’t keep bloody protesting every time we get a run of bad results. It’s embarrassing on and off the pitch. Some of the drivel and venom I’ve read on Twitter is sickening. People being very abusive to TS.As for last night I opted to save my £10 and read the match thread. Having watched the highlights it’s the basics yet again we fail to do in defence.The middle of the park is a stroll.The alarm bells should have rang for everyone when Morgan was given the number 10.Sandgaard, of all people, knows what the fans are saying. I don’t personally see any point in giving Adkins Fleetwood, but I’d sack him regardless of the result. This structure doesn’t work - too many mistakes in the window, too many mistakes on the pitch. Results will bring it down. It’s only a question of when.
Change the structure and not the manager maybe?
If you get an environment where the manager isn't in charge this happens. For different reasons but it reminds me of what happened at Chelsea a few years ago.4 -
That can be said for many things in life, but regrettably not when it comes to the life long supporting of a football club. It is impossible to 'get rid' even though the thought very briefly crossed my mind at about 10.00pm last night.KingKinsella said:
I left during early part of Chris Powell reign- Gary Doherty did a back header that striker ran on to and scored- and I didn't go back until Taylor-Grant combo linked up. Missed the whole Powell promotion season- if it doesn't bring you joy get ridLordflashheart said:
I went through what you are feeling during the Dowie season - took a few years to get the passion back I can tell you…..Pelling1993 said:I think the saddest thing is I've never been less interested in Charlton. Barely even got a reaction from me when they started thumping us. Couldn't even be bothered to go last night I just stayed at home. Fallen out of love with football massively, never thought I'd say that.
and I still don't regret missing it.
Still signed in for the moment......12 -
There would have been 2000 in the home seats yesterday if people only went expecting joy. If thatbobmunro said:
That can be said for many things in life, but regrettably not when it comes to the life long supporting of a football club. It is impossible to 'get rid' even though the thought very briefly crossed my mind at about 10.00pm last night.KingKinsella said:
I left during early part of Chris Powell reign- Gary Doherty did a back header that striker ran on to and scored- and I didn't go back until Taylor-Grant combo linked up. Missed the whole Powell promotion season- if it doesn't bring you joy get ridLordflashheart said:
I went through what you are feeling during the Dowie season - took a few years to get the passion back I can tell you…..Pelling1993 said:I think the saddest thing is I've never been less interested in Charlton. Barely even got a reaction from me when they started thumping us. Couldn't even be bothered to go last night I just stayed at home. Fallen out of love with football massively, never thought I'd say that.
and I still don't regret missing it.
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A moment of weakness @bobmunro. We forgive you.bobmunro said:
That can be said for many things in life, but regrettably not when it comes to the life long supporting of a football club. It is impossible to 'get rid' even though the thought very briefly crossed my mind at about 10.00pm last night.KingKinsella said:
I left during early part of Chris Powell reign- Gary Doherty did a back header that striker ran on to and scored- and I didn't go back until Taylor-Grant combo linked up. Missed the whole Powell promotion season- if it doesn't bring you joy get ridLordflashheart said:
I went through what you are feeling during the Dowie season - took a few years to get the passion back I can tell you…..Pelling1993 said:I think the saddest thing is I've never been less interested in Charlton. Barely even got a reaction from me when they started thumping us. Couldn't even be bothered to go last night I just stayed at home. Fallen out of love with football massively, never thought I'd say that.
and I still don't regret missing it.
Still signed in for the moment......
We almost didn't get there last night ... no petrol and a long trip from the Hertfordshire/Cambridgeshire borders.
But my lad came up trumps. I am the World's worst car passenger, but a powerful sedative and a decent journey meant that we got to The Valley in good time.
We then got soaked, and thoroughly miserable. The car steamed up on the return journey and we plodded Northwards over partially-flooded roads. The final part of our trip home involved a detour due to road closures and a furtive scurry down country lanes and forgotten by-ways.
My lad got home well after midnight.
But I'm glad we were there. For those who us who love this Club ... while results like last night's break our hearts ... being there is part of what it is all about.
Shared pain ... but we will enjoy the good times (for there will be good times) all the more for nights like last night.
I have endured this feeling a hundred times before ... maybe a thousand times before. But I don't care. I'm glad that we made it last night.
And I am glad that this is my Club and that my lads were there with me.27 -
I went through that from about 1992 to 2015.Lordflashheart said:
I went through what you are feeling during the Dowie season - took a few years to get the passion back I can tell you…..Pelling1993 said:I think the saddest thing is I've never been less interested in Charlton. Barely even got a reaction from me when they started thumping us. Couldn't even be bothered to go last night I just stayed at home. Fallen out of love with football massively, never thought I'd say that.0 -
masochistDave Rudd said:
A moment of weakness @bobmunro. We forgive you.bobmunro said:
That can be said for many things in life, but regrettably not when it comes to the life long supporting of a football club. It is impossible to 'get rid' even though the thought very briefly crossed my mind at about 10.00pm last night.KingKinsella said:
I left during early part of Chris Powell reign- Gary Doherty did a back header that striker ran on to and scored- and I didn't go back until Taylor-Grant combo linked up. Missed the whole Powell promotion season- if it doesn't bring you joy get ridLordflashheart said:
I went through what you are feeling during the Dowie season - took a few years to get the passion back I can tell you…..Pelling1993 said:I think the saddest thing is I've never been less interested in Charlton. Barely even got a reaction from me when they started thumping us. Couldn't even be bothered to go last night I just stayed at home. Fallen out of love with football massively, never thought I'd say that.
and I still don't regret missing it.
Still signed in for the moment......
We almost didn't get there last night ... no petrol and a long trip from the Hertfordshire/Cambridgeshire borders.
But my lad came up trumps. I am the World's worst car passenger, but a powerful sedative and a decent journey meant that we got to The Valley in good time.
We then got soaked, and thoroughly miserable. The car steamed up on the return journey and we plodded Northwards over partially-flooded roads. The final part of our trip home involved a detour due to road closures and a furtive scurry down country lanes and forgotten by-ways.
My lad got home well after midnight.
But I'm glad we were there. For those who us who love this Club ... while results like last night's break our hearts ... being there is part of what it is all about.
Shared pain ... but we will enjoy the good times (for there will be good times) all the more for nights like last night.
I have endured this feeling a hundred times before ... maybe a thousand times before. But I don't care. I'm glad that we made it last night.
And I am glad that this is my Club and that my lads were there with me.0 - Sponsored links:
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I’ll never forget that duff pass he played. When he realised what he’d done, he set off and chased the ball down, stopping it going out of play. Proper effort from him. Set an example for the other players. A ray of light amidst the gloom.soapboxsam said:10 games into a season is when you can start to Judge: we are 23rd in League1.
Played some of our best football in first half but were picked apart as the 2nd half worn on and the heads dropped.
Superb attitude from Josh Davison who is the fittest and quickest member of the squad. I was gob smacked when he was left out of the 18 man squad against Cheltenham.If he’d rounded the defender and scored, would he have been given the assist as well?9 -
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Do tell - I don’t do social media, so I am out of the loop in that respectJamesSeed said:
I thought it’s known who it is?Lordflashheart said:
I doubt it’s a bloke - probably a 12 year old keyboard warriorAirman Brown said:
“All this talk”? It’s just a bloke with a meaningless Twitter handle who is so in touch with events that he doesn’t even know Rotherham is an international weekend. Laughable.robroy said:All this talk of another protest smacks of a toddlers tantrum to me.We can’t keep bloody protesting every time we get a run of bad results. It’s embarrassing on and off the pitch. Some of the drivel and venom I’ve read on Twitter is sickening. People being very abusive to TS.As for last night I opted to save my £10 and read the match thread. Having watched the highlights it’s the basics yet again we fail to do in defence.The middle of the park is a stroll.The alarm bells should have rang for everyone when Morgan was given the number 10.1 -
Is it that self-appointed spokesperson for the CAFC masses, who seems to love the sound of his own voice and favours filmed confrontation with himself at the centre of the action?Lordflashheart said:
Do tell - I don’t do social media, so I am out of the loop in that respectJamesSeed said:
I thought it’s known who it is?Lordflashheart said:
I doubt it’s a bloke - probably a 12 year old keyboard warriorAirman Brown said:
“All this talk”? It’s just a bloke with a meaningless Twitter handle who is so in touch with events that he doesn’t even know Rotherham is an international weekend. Laughable.robroy said:All this talk of another protest smacks of a toddlers tantrum to me.We can’t keep bloody protesting every time we get a run of bad results. It’s embarrassing on and off the pitch. Some of the drivel and venom I’ve read on Twitter is sickening. People being very abusive to TS.As for last night I opted to save my £10 and read the match thread. Having watched the highlights it’s the basics yet again we fail to do in defence.The middle of the park is a stroll.The alarm bells should have rang for everyone when Morgan was given the number 10.
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To sack Adkins and Roddy, Sangaard will after admit he got it wrong but if he doesn't he will have to admit that he will have add getting out of Div 2 to his five year plan.1
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Out of interest Airman, do you see JJ as a viable option? It would seem you were right in terms of your thoughts on the set up operationally in terms of how the club is run. I would fear that if we sack NA and get someone else in, would they agree to the existing set up and if they did, it would probably result in a repeat of what we currently have.Airman Brown said:
I think Adkins has lost all credibility and that won’t just be with the fans. Replacing him may not work, but I think it’s more likely to work than more of the same. We need to bring in someone who can call the shots and is in charge, accountable only to the owner. There’s no role for someone sitting in the background whispering in Sandgaard’s ear, especially if they don’t have a background in club management.valleynick66 said:
So if its the structure (and not disagreeing necessarily) - why will getting rid of NA work? Aren't you suggesting the way TS /GR/NA work is the root issue and hence until that set up changes any new manager will also fail?Airman Brown said:
“All this talk”? It’s just a bloke with a meaningless Twitter handle who is so in touch with events that he doesn’t even know Rotherham is an international weekend. Laughable.robroy said:All this talk of another protest smacks of a toddlers tantrum to me.We can’t keep bloody protesting every time we get a run of bad results. It’s embarrassing on and off the pitch. Some of the drivel and venom I’ve read on Twitter is sickening. People being very abusive to TS.As for last night I opted to save my £10 and read the match thread. Having watched the highlights it’s the basics yet again we fail to do in defence.The middle of the park is a stroll.The alarm bells should have rang for everyone when Morgan was given the number 10.Sandgaard, of all people, knows what the fans are saying. I don’t personally see any point in giving Adkins Fleetwood, but I’d sack him regardless of the result. This structure doesn’t work - too many mistakes in the window, too many mistakes on the pitch. Results will bring it down. It’s only a question of when.
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RonnieMoore said:The score line don’t really reflect the game .. first half we were excellent best home performance of the season .. our movement was good … then a bad mistake by the ref for their goal McG clearly had a player in an offside position in his eye line and it’s 1-1 .. totally undeserved by Bolton .. second half again end to end very even game looked like a draw .. then a deflected effort finds its way into our goal .. straight down the other end and we are centimetres from going 2-2 with Washington lob ( that goes in if your top of the league ) … Late on a third and another offside goal for the 4th …
but it far far from a poor performance and like Gillingham , Pompey we showed we can play but we need a little luck to go our way a d the right decisions made by officials
Come on then, lets have a laugh,
"then a bad mistake by the ref for their goal McG clearly had a player in an offside position in his eye line and it’s 1-1"
The player that jumps over the ball is a good yard onside, as shown below.
"deflected effort finds its way into our goal"
It's a free shot from 12 yards out. The angle on the replay showed it was heading for the other corner, so going in regardless.
"another offside goal for the 4th"
You can see from the cut of the grass, that Lavelle is playing the Bolton player onside comfortably.
I though the referee was poor, for what its worth. But not particularly in either team's favour.
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Haven’t read the whole thing- too grim.
I'm convinced this is 80% about fitness. Not injury fitness: fitness, fitness. Reminds me of when I played. Knew what I wanted to do, just didn’t have the legs.
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Even if you get fit in pre-season, you still need 'match fitness' which comes early in the competitive season. Chopping and changing players every game wont achieve that. So after 10 games we are now behind on other teams even more.5
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Bang on - I watched the goals on Sky last night and was freezing the screen to see whether they were bad decisions, and low and behold they were perfectly ok goalsBen18 said:RonnieMoore said:The score line don’t really reflect the game .. first half we were excellent best home performance of the season .. our movement was good … then a bad mistake by the ref for their goal McG clearly had a player in an offside position in his eye line and it’s 1-1 .. totally undeserved by Bolton .. second half again end to end very even game looked like a draw .. then a deflected effort finds its way into our goal .. straight down the other end and we are centimetres from going 2-2 with Washington lob ( that goes in if your top of the league ) … Late on a third and another offside goal for the 4th …
but it far far from a poor performance and like Gillingham , Pompey we showed we can play but we need a little luck to go our way a d the right decisions made by officials
Come on then, lets have a laugh,
"then a bad mistake by the ref for their goal McG clearly had a player in an offside position in his eye line and it’s 1-1"
The player that jumps over the ball is a good yard onside, as shown below.
"deflected effort finds its way into our goal"
It's a free shot from 12 yards out. The angle on the replay showed it was heading for the other corner, so going in regardless.
"another offside goal for the 4th"
You can see from the cut of the grass, that Lavelle is playing the Bolton player onside comfortably.
I though the referee was poor, for what its worth. But not particularly in either team's favour.5
