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Trying to follow an argument between Addick Addict and AddicksAddictAddick Addict said:
Thanks for that. Must remember to use that turn pf phrase next time you have a point of you:AddicksAddict said:
I do think you're talking a load of twaddle. After years of the BBC providing coverage of many sports, the commercial channels have paid loads of dosh to take those away from the Beeb with the aim of making money from them. The BBC has been hamstrung by having its budget attacked, for example having to find the money to give the over 75s free licences whereas that was previously paid out of general taxation, so they are even more restricted with how much they can pay.Addick Addict said:
From the perspective of it being shown on terrestrial TV, absolutely nothing. But from the perspective of missing out on the opportunity to show something in British Ladies tennis that hasn't happened 44 years, they really have missed out. Instead of constantly facing criticism for the way that they have short changed licence fee payers on top sporting events (far too numerous to mention) and for the cost of covering a couple of hours of tennis they could have been showcasing and supporting someone who "I've never seen such a meteoric rise" (Navratilova) and "who makes us want to pick up our racket and play again" (Rusedski and Keothavong). Someone who, potentially, will inspire a nation of youngsters to start playing tennis.Chizz said:
Would it be worth considering that C4's advertising revenue gives them an advantage over BBC? And that deal negotiated between C4 and the rights holder (Amazon) has been structured so that C4 exclusivity runs longer than Sunday morning?Addick Addict said:Wheresmeticket? said:
Disregarding wall to wall coverage of Wimbledon for 2 weeks every year, plus qualifying, of course. Does that not count?Addick Addict said:
And another reflection of where sport sits with the BBC - they had planned to show highlights of the match on Sunday morning but have now ditched that. Absolutely pathetic effort as usual.AndyG said:
Wow that's a massive coup for channel 4. I would think this will smash their record viewing figuresAddick Addict said:Amazon Prime have agreed to share the rights to show the match with Channel 4
Is that the last of the great sporting events they have managed to hold onto? The BBC even used to cover the US Open live didn't they? They had the opportunity to show the only female to reach a Grand Slam Final for 44 years and were outbid by Channel 4. Then they pulled the plug on showing the highlights the following morning presumably in a fit of temper of being outbid for the live showing.
And, anyway, why does it matter whether it's on BBC, if it's on C4?
"We did make a competitive bid for the rights to show the US Open final live". Not for the first time in sporting history the BBC executives bottled it. Their definition of "competitive" no doubt. The phrase "price and value" springs to mind. If and when she wins Sports Personality of the Year, instead of showing us footage from today's match, the BBC can show us her leaving the court at Wimbledon in tears. Because they covered that one in every minute detail. Why go to the wedding when you've already been to the funeral?
I do have Prime Video but I am watching it on C4. I just would have loved to have been doing so on a British Broadcasting Corporation channel.
And that is all I am saying on the subject because I want to enjoy the match and cheer her on. Go Emma!!!!
Are you seriously telling me that covering the following used to cost nothing:
Cricket including every single Test match and the John Player Cricket League every Sunday
Horse racing every Saturday and midweek including the Derby, Aintree and Cheltenham
Boxing including world title fights
Rugby League every Saturday and the BBC 2 Floodit programme
Rugby Union including ALL of the Six Nations matches
Golf including the Open, the Masters and the Ryder Cup
Motor racing including every Grand Prix
Ski Sunday
Every major athletics meeting
Football including being the sole provider of FA Cup games
The peak viewing figures for the match was 9.2 million. But it actually reached 12.6 million people. For 44 years we've been talking about Viriginia Wade being the last of our women to do it and now an 18 year old had the opportunity to emulate that. How embarrassing for the British Broadcasting Corporation that even the Queen watched the tennis on C4 rather than Last Night of the Proms - but, there again, so did at least another 10 million plus people.
So I ask again. Given that all the above live events used to be (and simultaneously too) covered by the BBC, what do they now spend the Licence fee money on specifically in relation to sport? Wimbledon and.......................
It's not just the fact that they didn't show it. It's the fact that the BBC are so hypocritical as it pretends to cover sport and pretends to make serious bids to show it. They don't. They pay lip service to it now. How many times have we heard that "we made a competitive offer" for the rights? The team that loses every single match isn't "competitive" - is it? If they don't have the money then say "we don't have the money" because we have to give free Licence Fees to over 75s now. The very people who might never, by the way, see one of our tennis players win a Grand Slam again in their lifetime.
But here's some food for thought -- The 253 senior leaders at the BBC were paid £148,221 each on average, costing a total of £37.5 million
- Analysis shows the median salary of a BBC employee is 83 per cent higher than the median salary across the UK.
- The highest earning executive in 2019-20 was former director general Tony Hall. He received a total of £471,000 in salary and taxable benefits, including a car and driver.
Now let's hear some of your "twaddle"
11 - The 253 senior leaders at the BBC were paid £148,221 each on average, costing a total of £37.5 million
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I wonder what would happen to programme quality if the top salary for senior managers was reduced to say, 50k?Thanks for that. Must remember to use that turn pf phrase next time you have a point of you:
Are you seriously telling me that covering the following used to cost nothing:
Cricket including every single Test match and the John Player Cricket League every Sunday
Horse racing every Saturday and midweek including the Derby, Aintree and Cheltenham
Boxing including world title fights
Rugby League every Saturday and the BBC 2 Floodit programme
Rugby Union including ALL of the Six Nations matches
Golf including the Open, the Masters and the Ryder Cup
Motor racing including every Grand Prix
Ski Sunday
Every major athletics meeting
Football including being the sole provider of FA Cup games
The peak viewing figures for the match was 9.2 million. But it actually reached 12.6 million people. For 44 years we've been talking about Viriginia Wade being the last of our women to do it and now an 18 year old had the opportunity to emulate that. How embarrassing for the British Broadcasting Corporation that even the Queen watched the tennis on C4 rather than Last Night of the Proms - but, there again, so did at least another 10 million plus people.
So I ask again. Given that all the above live events used to be (and simultaneously too) covered by the BBC, what do they now spend the Licence fee money on specifically in relation to sport? Wimbledon and.......................
It's not just the fact that they didn't show it. It's the fact that the BBC are so hypocritical as it pretends to cover sport and pretends to make serious bids to show it. They don't. They pay lip service to it now. How many times have we heard that "we made a competitive offer" for the rights? The team that loses every single match isn't "competitive" - is it? If they don't have the money then say "we don't have the money" because we have to give free Licence Fees to over 75s now. The very people who might never, by the way, see one of our tennis players win a Grand Slam again in their lifetime.
But here's some food for thought -- The 253 senior leaders at the BBC were paid £148,221 each on average, costing a total of £37.5 million
- Analysis shows the median salary of a BBC employee is 83 per cent higher than the median salary across the UK.
- The highest earning executive in 2019-20 was former director general Tony Hall. He received a total of £471,000 in salary and taxable benefits, including a car and driver.
Now let's hear some of your "twaddle"
Never been convinced that the quality of a senior manager is proportional to their salary. A complete myth!
And the reputation of many exists due to the ability of those paid less below them to get the job done.
I'm sure plenty of lower paid BBC staff could undertake a senior role just as well. Or even better.
1 - The 253 senior leaders at the BBC were paid £148,221 each on average, costing a total of £37.5 million
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I'm very impressed with Emma on and off the court. I just hope that she doesn't have an allegiance to Crystal Palace.7
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Someone posted her dad supports us, but not sure of the provenance of thatLenGlover said:I'm very impressed with Emma on and off the court. I just hope that she doesn't have an allegiance to Crystal Palace.3 -
Or even just capped it say to the salary of an MP. That would be a saving of £17 million. But they probably would still have found a reason for to not approximately 5% of that for the rights to cover Raducanu's final.RickAddick said:
I wonder what would happen to programme quality if the top salary for senior managers was reduced to say, 50k?Thanks for that. Must remember to use that turn pf phrase next time you have a point of you:
Are you seriously telling me that covering the following used to cost nothing:
Cricket including every single Test match and the John Player Cricket League every Sunday
Horse racing every Saturday and midweek including the Derby, Aintree and Cheltenham
Boxing including world title fights
Rugby League every Saturday and the BBC 2 Floodit programme
Rugby Union including ALL of the Six Nations matches
Golf including the Open, the Masters and the Ryder Cup
Motor racing including every Grand Prix
Ski Sunday
Every major athletics meeting
Football including being the sole provider of FA Cup games
The peak viewing figures for the match was 9.2 million. But it actually reached 12.6 million people. For 44 years we've been talking about Viriginia Wade being the last of our women to do it and now an 18 year old had the opportunity to emulate that. How embarrassing for the British Broadcasting Corporation that even the Queen watched the tennis on C4 rather than Last Night of the Proms - but, there again, so did at least another 10 million plus people.
So I ask again. Given that all the above live events used to be (and simultaneously too) covered by the BBC, what do they now spend the Licence fee money on specifically in relation to sport? Wimbledon and.......................
It's not just the fact that they didn't show it. It's the fact that the BBC are so hypocritical as it pretends to cover sport and pretends to make serious bids to show it. They don't. They pay lip service to it now. How many times have we heard that "we made a competitive offer" for the rights? The team that loses every single match isn't "competitive" - is it? If they don't have the money then say "we don't have the money" because we have to give free Licence Fees to over 75s now. The very people who might never, by the way, see one of our tennis players win a Grand Slam again in their lifetime.
But here's some food for thought -- The 253 senior leaders at the BBC were paid £148,221 each on average, costing a total of £37.5 million
- Analysis shows the median salary of a BBC employee is 83 per cent higher than the median salary across the UK.
- The highest earning executive in 2019-20 was former director general Tony Hall. He received a total of £471,000 in salary and taxable benefits, including a car and driver.
Now let's hear some of your "twaddle"
Never been convinced that the quality of a senior manager is proportional to their salary. A complete myth!
And the reputation of many exists due to the ability of those paid less below them to get the job done.
I'm sure plenty of lower paid BBC staff could undertake a senior role just as well. Or even better.
We can't afford free TV Licences for the over 75 but we can afford to pay 253 senior executives an average of £148, 221 each with TV Licence Fee payers money. Oh the irony!3 - The 253 senior leaders at the BBC were paid £148,221 each on average, costing a total of £37.5 million
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And the very reason you say that is she is from Bromley , a palace stronghold where people crave for an SE postcode and all the kudos of being from South East London ….such a palace thing reallyLenGlover said:I'm very impressed with Emma on and off the court. I just hope that she doesn't have an allegiance to Crystal Palace.2 -
There are roads in the Sidcup area are that are DA15 and adjoin others that are SE9. The insurance rates for for car and home for the latter are much higher than those of the former. Not much to crave there!oohaahmortimer said:
And the very reason you say that is she is from Bromley , a palace stronghold where people crave for an SE postcode and all the kudos of being from South East London ….such a palace thing reallyLenGlover said:I'm very impressed with Emma on and off the court. I just hope that she doesn't have an allegiance to Crystal Palace.1 -
Think McEnroe got a lot of unnecessary crap from the outraged brigade. What he said was no more or no less patronising than what you’ve said above.PrincessFiona said:
It was completely understandable in the circumstances but how she moved on is nothing but remarkable. McEnroe could at least acknowledge that. I think Osaka and Biles dealt with their issues differently, but that's for a different threadMcBobbin said:Wondering if her panic attack in Wimbledon will be the making of Emma. It was early enough in her career that it could be addressed with a relatively low profile.compared to say Simone Biles where it was all over the news0 -
Had the interview taken place at Wimbledon, he would have given a very different angle on things.stop_shouting said:
Think McEnroe got a lot of unnecessary crap from the outraged brigade. What he said was no more or no less patronising than what you’ve said above.PrincessFiona said:
It was completely understandable in the circumstances but how she moved on is nothing but remarkable. McEnroe could at least acknowledge that. I think Osaka and Biles dealt with their issues differently, but that's for a different threadMcBobbin said:Wondering if her panic attack in Wimbledon will be the making of Emma. It was early enough in her career that it could be addressed with a relatively low profile.compared to say Simone Biles where it was all over the news0 -
contrast in style at the 'Met Gala' (2 of the VERY least garish and ridiculous outfits .. still, all done for 'charity')
Osaka and Radacanu
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I didn't say what he said was wrong - what I said was he has not acknowledged her remarkable success and that she has moved on from what happened.stop_shouting said:
Think McEnroe got a lot of unnecessary crap from the outraged brigade. What he said was no more or no less patronising than what you’ve said above.PrincessFiona said:
It was completely understandable in the circumstances but how she moved on is nothing but remarkable. McEnroe could at least acknowledge that. I think Osaka and Biles dealt with their issues differently, but that's for a different threadMcBobbin said:Wondering if her panic attack in Wimbledon will be the making of Emma. It was early enough in her career that it could be addressed with a relatively low profile.compared to say Simone Biles where it was all over the news
How is saying someone dealt with something 'differently' in anyway patronising? I made no judgement about whether it was better or not, just 'different'. - you couldn't be misrepresenting what I said, could you?
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I probably missed it over the last few days, but did Fernandez explain why she was so riled about the injury time out ?
Did she not know there was bleeding ?0 -
I have a little sympathy for her tbf.MrOneLung said:I probably missed it over the last few days, but did Fernandez explain why she was so riled about the injury time out ?
Did she not know there was bleeding ?
The person putting a bandage on a little graze took about as long as it would do to do a heart transplant.
Talk about look at me.0 -
I thought Ms Fernandez was upset about how often Emma Raducanu threw the ball up to serve but then changed her mind.
I interpreted her gestures as such.0 -
You may well be correct.seth plum said:I thought Ms Fernandez was upset about how often Emma Raducanu threw the ball up to serve but then changed her mind.
I interpreted her gestures as such.
I saw it as time wasting.
Unless she says something we will never really know.0 -
I suspect that Fernandez was simply upset because she felt that the momentum had shifted and that Raducanu was using it to her advantage. In doing so, she allowed the situation to envelop her to the extent that she was virtually in tears about it. The fact that there was blood and the game had to be stopped because of that probably didn't enter her head. She focused on what she perceived to be an unfair situation rather than how she was going to use the time to stay focussed on winning the set.
In the end Fernandez did lose the set but, in the same way as Raducanu reaped the benefit of her Wimbledon experience, I'm sure she will do so from these circumstances too. We shouldn't forget that there is only a matter of a couple of months difference in age between the two as Fernandez was only 19 last week and Raducanu becomes the same age in November,3 -
Fernandez and her family didn't realise that it was Umpire who insisted that Emma got treatment, so the delay wasn't something Emma had "created"Addick Addict said:I suspect that Fernandez was simply upset because she felt that the momentum had shifted and that Raducanu was using it to her advantage. In doing so, she allowed the situation to envelop her to the extent that she was virtually in tears about it. The fact that there was blood and the game had to be stopped because of that probably didn't enter her head. She focused on what she perceived to be an unfair situation rather than how she was going to use the time to stay focussed on winning the set.
In the end Fernandez did lose the set but, in the same way as Raducanu reaped the benefit of her Wimbledon experience, I'm sure she will do so from these circumstances too. We shouldn't forget that there is only a matter of a couple of months difference in age between the two as Fernandez was only 19 last week and Raducanu becomes the same age in November,
Surely players abort their serve that way, because they're nervous and as a result didn't get the ball toss right? I can't see any benefit to the server in that situationseth plum said:I thought Ms Fernandez was upset about how often Emma Raducanu threw the ball up to serve but then changed her mind.
I interpreted her gestures as such.2 -
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I've just read this thread.
Emma went to Bickley Primary School about 400 metres from where I live.
She attended their Sports Day a matter of weeks ago.
She went to Newstead Woods Grammar School.
She lives with her parents in Bromley Common, 2 doors down from my niece.
What she has achieved is simply remarkable and will likely never be repeated.
But all I wish for her is happiness and a decent injury free career.
I very much hope that the press and social media don't damage her too badly.
You've only got to read this thread, which should be an outpouring of happiness, to see that life's spoilers can't wait to sow discord.9 -
I’m not sure why McEnroe needs to say anything about her remarkable success though I imagine like 100% of people he’d acknowledge it’s remarkable.PrincessFiona said:
I didn't say what he said was wrong - what I said was he has not acknowledged her remarkable success and that she has moved on from what happened.stop_shouting said:
Think McEnroe got a lot of unnecessary crap from the outraged brigade. What he said was no more or no less patronising than what you’ve said above.PrincessFiona said:
It was completely understandable in the circumstances but how she moved on is nothing but remarkable. McEnroe could at least acknowledge that. I think Osaka and Biles dealt with their issues differently, but that's for a different threadMcBobbin said:Wondering if her panic attack in Wimbledon will be the making of Emma. It was early enough in her career that it could be addressed with a relatively low profile.compared to say Simone Biles where it was all over the news
How is saying someone dealt with something 'differently' in anyway patronising? I made no judgement about whether it was better or not, just 'different'. - you couldn't be misrepresenting what I said, could you?
his comment that “it all got a bit much for her” and your comment that “it was completely understandable in the circumstances” do not appear to be patronising to me but clearly would to someone else. That was the point I was trying to
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Amazed she ain’t wearing her headphones 🎧Lincsaddick said:contrast in style at the 'Met Gala' (2 of the VERY least garish and ridiculous outfits .. still, all done for 'charity')
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I don't agree.blackpool72 said:
You may well be correct.seth plum said:I thought Ms Fernandez was upset about how often Emma Raducanu threw the ball up to serve but then changed her mind.
I interpreted her gestures as such.
I saw it as time wasting.
Unless she says something we will never really know.
I reckon Emma is one of those people who aborts her serve if the toss isn't perfect.
Ginny Wade was notorious for it.
Andy Murray guilty too to occasionally.
I suspect Fernandez was just frustrated at having her momentum checked at a crucial stage and suspected some gamesmanship despite the bleeding evidence to the contrary.
Once she accepted that the evidence was indisputable she eventually accepted it and didn't pursue it after the match.
So in the end she showed some class.
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How clearly would to someone else?stop_shouting said:
I’m not sure why McEnroe needs to say anything about her remarkable success though I imagine like 100% of people he’d acknowledge it’s remarkable.PrincessFiona said:
I didn't say what he said was wrong - what I said was he has not acknowledged her remarkable success and that she has moved on from what happened.stop_shouting said:
Think McEnroe got a lot of unnecessary crap from the outraged brigade. What he said was no more or no less patronising than what you’ve said above.PrincessFiona said:
It was completely understandable in the circumstances but how she moved on is nothing but remarkable. McEnroe could at least acknowledge that. I think Osaka and Biles dealt with their issues differently, but that's for a different threadMcBobbin said:Wondering if her panic attack in Wimbledon will be the making of Emma. It was early enough in her career that it could be addressed with a relatively low profile.compared to say Simone Biles where it was all over the news
How is saying someone dealt with something 'differently' in anyway patronising? I made no judgement about whether it was better or not, just 'different'. - you couldn't be misrepresenting what I said, could you?
his comment that “it all got a bit much for her” and your comment that “it was completely understandable in the circumstances” do not appear to be patronising to me but clearly would to someone else. That was the point I was trying to
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I see it that she is so disciplined she won't continue with a bad toss - something I had noticedSix-a-bag-of-nuts said:
I don't agree.blackpool72 said:
You may well be correct.seth plum said:I thought Ms Fernandez was upset about how often Emma Raducanu threw the ball up to serve but then changed her mind.
I interpreted her gestures as such.
I saw it as time wasting.
Unless she says something we will never really know.
I reckon Emma is one of those people who aborts her serve if the toss isn't perfect.
Ginny Wade was notorious for it.
Andy Murray guilty too to occasionally.
I suspect Fernandez was just frustrated at having her momentum checked at a crucial stage and suspected some gamesmanship despite the bleeding evidence to the contrary.
Once she accepted that the evidence was indisputable she eventually accepted it and didn't pursue it after the match.
So in the end she showed some class.
Just my opinion0 -
I thought it might be nerves given the situation, again would be sensible if so, rather than rushing and hitting it badly, catching it, taking a breath and going again.PrincessFiona said:
I see it that she is so disciplined she won't continue with a bad toss - something I had noticedSix-a-bag-of-nuts said:
I don't agree.blackpool72 said:
You may well be correct.seth plum said:I thought Ms Fernandez was upset about how often Emma Raducanu threw the ball up to serve but then changed her mind.
I interpreted her gestures as such.
I saw it as time wasting.
Unless she says something we will never really know.
I reckon Emma is one of those people who aborts her serve if the toss isn't perfect.
Ginny Wade was notorious for it.
Andy Murray guilty too to occasionally.
I suspect Fernandez was just frustrated at having her momentum checked at a crucial stage and suspected some gamesmanship despite the bleeding evidence to the contrary.
Once she accepted that the evidence was indisputable she eventually accepted it and didn't pursue it after the match.
So in the end she showed some class.
Just my opinion1 -
There's loads do it, how many times do you see a tennis player bounce the ball hundred times before he then serves it into the net. Then repeats. I got fed up watching it for that reason, and then how many aces and lack of rally's were involved. Yes i know its all part of the game but entertaining it isn't.PrincessFiona said:
I see it that she is so disciplined she won't continue with a bad toss - something I had noticedSix-a-bag-of-nuts said:
I don't agree.blackpool72 said:
You may well be correct.seth plum said:I thought Ms Fernandez was upset about how often Emma Raducanu threw the ball up to serve but then changed her mind.
I interpreted her gestures as such.
I saw it as time wasting.
Unless she says something we will never really know.
I reckon Emma is one of those people who aborts her serve if the toss isn't perfect.
Ginny Wade was notorious for it.
Andy Murray guilty too to occasionally.
I suspect Fernandez was just frustrated at having her momentum checked at a crucial stage and suspected some gamesmanship despite the bleeding evidence to the contrary.
Once she accepted that the evidence was indisputable she eventually accepted it and didn't pursue it after the match.
So in the end she showed some class.
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The number of long, quality rallies throughout the final was impressive.Chippycafc said:There's loads do it, how many times do you see a tennis player bounce the ball hundred times before he then serves it into the net. Then repeats. I got fed up watching it for that reason, and then how many aces and lack of rally's were involved. Yes i know its all part of the game but entertaining it isn't.
Not a tennis fan at all, but this match was compelling.
Could have been a very nervy affair with loads of basic errors, but they both played top quality tennis throughout.
The scoreline didn’t reflect the quality imo.2 -
My tennis knowledge credentials were brought into question by my other half when I skilfully observed that both players were “twatting the fuck out of the ball”.7
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Depends what tournament you're watching though. Some surfaces are not conducive to rallies. If you're a regular Wimbledon watcher there won't be many great rallies, but if you're watching the French Open there will be plenty.Chippycafc said:
There's loads do it, how many times do you see a tennis player bounce the ball hundred times before he then serves it into the net. Then repeats. I got fed up watching it for that reason, and then how many aces and lack of rally's were involved. Yes i know its all part of the game but entertaining it isn't.PrincessFiona said:
I see it that she is so disciplined she won't continue with a bad toss - something I had noticedSix-a-bag-of-nuts said:
I don't agree.blackpool72 said:
You may well be correct.seth plum said:I thought Ms Fernandez was upset about how often Emma Raducanu threw the ball up to serve but then changed her mind.
I interpreted her gestures as such.
I saw it as time wasting.
Unless she says something we will never really know.
I reckon Emma is one of those people who aborts her serve if the toss isn't perfect.
Ginny Wade was notorious for it.
Andy Murray guilty too to occasionally.
I suspect Fernandez was just frustrated at having her momentum checked at a crucial stage and suspected some gamesmanship despite the bleeding evidence to the contrary.
Once she accepted that the evidence was indisputable she eventually accepted it and didn't pursue it after the match.
So in the end she showed some class.
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Re throwing a bad toss is not gamesmanship or nerves - it's simply a bad toss. Each server is on a shot clock. As long as they serve within that time frame - no issues.
Serving is all about rhythm. I would argue taking a 3 minute rest whilst a break down is actually a disadvantage to the server.6
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