This thread is unbelievable. The sense of entitlement is off the scale. Grown men spending another person's money and throwing keyboard tantrums left right and centre as the other person isn't throwing his money round in a manner which they deem acceptable.
This time last year we were on the brink. A very real possibility of going out of business. Sandergaard might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is well in credit for effectively saving the club from going out of business.
He set his stall out very early on and made it clear he would be running things as a business. A business does not burn through a fuck ton of money that it potentially has no hope of recouping.
We all know the squad is thin, but the business we have done so far is good. There is no way we won't being additional players in before the window closes.
I wish people would stop with the I want it and I want it now bollocks. There are people on this thread who are like a fucking stuck record. Spouting the same shit over and over whilst launching toys round whatever room they are sitting in.
The sooner people accept that the club were just about at rock bottom and that unless you get a billionaire coming in with very deep pockets, coming back from that takes time, the better.
You're right, of course you're right.
Only thing I'd observe that puts a slightly different perspective on things is that Sandgaard didn't come in quietly promising a slow build. We all know that getting established in the Premiership within 5 years is unlikely to begin with a poorer League One squad than missed out on promotion the previous season.
Time will tell, but I'm not sure the frustration is that we're not spending millions but with what seems strikingly obvious: we're missing out on our target players because of financial constraints.
I really wish he'd just talked about a long term plan, getting the foundations in place and getting us challenging in the Championship, than promising top end Premiership within 5 years - because no-one would have any unrealistic expectations on transfer spend.
Tl:Dr - it was Sandgaard who said, I want it and I want it now.
Who have we missed out on?
No names. Just putting Adkins's expectation to make signings early together with an inability to land them.
We'll wait for a Trust or Bromley Q&A with Gallen for the details 🙂
Edit: Also, compare to 2011 and Powell's recruitment. The money was clearly there then as he managed to get many of his first choices before the end of July.
With your 2011 comparison are you suggesting the money isn't there now as the inability to have signed more players by now? Aren't pretty much every other club in the league still at least 4-5 players short of where they want to be?
Not convinced the money isn't there, it's very easy to spend somebody else's money but if clubs are demanding high fees for there best players, should we just pay out what they want so we can all be satisfied we've followed the 2011 model?
As many others have said it all seems to be a game of who'll blink first. I'd rather us wait and get the players we want for the right price rather than blow the budget just because we need players, as do pretty much everybody else in the league.
I wonder if we are restricted in our budget, due to the fact Roland has whacked up the cost of the rent on the valley and the training ground?
I very much doubt we are restricted in the budget at all. It's a slow market in general.
I'm sure if you offered Crewe £1m it would quicken up a tad.
There are lots of clubs in League 1 suffering from the effect that Covid had last season. Some clubs have taken the EFL money & therefore are restricted on their transfer dealings.
I thought that we weren't in either group & therefore would have been in a stronger position to bargain/buy players.
Do we know what clubs have taken financial assistance in league one. I’m guessing those that have will need to cash in on a few assets in order to do business themselves. I’m also guessing these are the clubs holding out in the game if who blinks first.
I wonder if we are restricted in our budget, due to the fact Roland has whacked up the cost of the rent on the valley and the training ground?
I very much doubt we are restricted in the budget at all. It's a slow market in general.
Every club is restricted in their budget in someway, even Man City.
What matters is relative budget and existing commitments.
We kept a number of players. Pearce on a presumably lower wage, plus everyone else like Gunter, Innis, DJ, Washington, Gilbey etc etc. That's all fine and we can rightly ask if Watson and Schwartz are worth the money they are getting (let's NOT do that debate on here AGAIN) but they are existing deals so we can't just rip them up. We might sell Ronnie but it's an example of how some of our budget in tied up.
Wigan are a good example of a club with low existing commitments as they had to sell almost anything that moved when in admin. So now they have more "free" budget to allocate. Ipswich also cleared the decks but to a lesser extent.
How much each club's budget is and how it compares to ours we don't now. They have signed a lot of players but mainly on free transfers but have also signed sought after players like Piggott and Wyke so you could reasonably say that they have money to spend.
But their fans and fans of Pompey or Sunderland might look at us and say "they signed Stockley for a fee, they have already loaned a defender from an EPL club and got Pompey's player of the year." Sunderland fans will say Dobson is rubbish but Wimbledon fans disagree. Burton fans would love to have kept Clare.
So from the outside, others might think WE have a decent budget.
Thing is they don't know and we don't know. We all have a budget but none of us know what it is at our club or the other clubs. We can guess ours is higher than Accrington's or Wimbledon's and maybe closer to Pompey (who we beat to Stockley, remember) but we just don't know.
This thread is unbelievable. The sense of entitlement is off the scale. Grown men spending another person's money and throwing keyboard tantrums left right and centre as the other person isn't throwing his money round in a manner which they deem acceptable.
This time last year we were on the brink. A very real possibility of going out of business. Sandergaard might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is well in credit for effectively saving the club from going out of business.
He set his stall out very early on and made it clear he would be running things as a business. A business does not burn through a fuck ton of money that it potentially has no hope of recouping.
We all know the squad is thin, but the business we have done so far is good. There is no way we won't being additional players in before the window closes.
I wish people would stop with the I want it and I want it now bollocks. There are people on this thread who are like a fucking stuck record. Spouting the same shit over and over whilst launching toys round whatever room they are sitting in.
The sooner people accept that the club were just about at rock bottom and that unless you get a billionaire coming in with very deep pockets, coming back from that takes time, the better.
You're right, of course you're right.
Only thing I'd observe that puts a slightly different perspective on things is that Sandgaard didn't come in quietly promising a slow build. We all know that getting established in the Premiership within 5 years is unlikely to begin with a poorer League One squad than missed out on promotion the previous season.
Time will tell, but I'm not sure the frustration is that we're not spending millions but with what seems strikingly obvious: we're missing out on our target players because of financial constraints.
I really wish he'd just talked about a long term plan, getting the foundations in place and getting us challenging in the Championship, than promising top end Premiership within 5 years - because no-one would have any unrealistic expectations on transfer spend.
Tl:Dr - it was Sandgaard who said, I want it and I want it now.
Who have we missed out on?
No names. Just putting Adkins's expectation to make signings early together with an inability to land them.
We'll wait for a Trust or Bromley Q&A with Gallen for the details 🙂
Edit: Also, compare to 2011 and Powell's recruitment. The money was clearly there then as he managed to get many of his first choices before the end of July.
With your 2011 comparison are you suggesting the money isn't there now as the inability to have signed more players by now? Aren't pretty much every other club in the league still at least 4-5 players short of where they want to be?
Not convinced the money isn't there, it's very easy to spend somebody else's money but if clubs are demanding high fees for there best players, should we just pay out what they want so we can all be satisfied we've followed the 2011 model?
As many others have said it all seems to be a game of who'll blink first. I'd rather us wait and get the players we want for the right price rather than blow the budget just because we need players, as do pretty much everybody else in the league.
Not quite. My point re Powell's recruitment is that they were able to meet what the player/club wanted sufficiently to persuade them to sign early on. The clubs that have been signing players are those prepared to spend. The fact they gelled from the start is testament to the importance of having the core of the squad together in preseason.
It's all very well comparing ourselves to other L1 clubs, but if our budget is the same as theirs then it's going to be tougher to sign players, right? And if clubs being in financial straits is a reason for lower spending, it's hardly pushing transfer fees up either - quite the opposite.
It seems obvious to me that the difference between the clubs landing players and those who aren't is money.
My main point was that the promise didn't appear to have been backed up. No issue with the points Tim made but it wasn't Charlton fans who set the expectation - it was Mr Sandgaard. Like I say, better to set lower expectations and over deliver than the other way round.
I wonder if we are restricted in our budget, due to the fact Roland has whacked up the cost of the rent on the valley and the training ground?
I very much doubt we are restricted in the budget at all. It's a slow market in general.
Every club is restricted in their budget in someway, even Man City.
What matters is relative budget and existing commitments.
We kept a number of players. Pearce on a presumably lower wage, plus everyone else like Gunter, Innis, DJ, Washington, Gilbey etc etc. That's all fine and we can rightly ask if Watson and Schwartz are worth the money they are getting (let's NOT do that debate on here AGAIN) but they are existing deals so we can't just rip them up. We might sell Ronnie but it's an example of how some of our budget in tied up.
Wigan are a good example of a club with low existing commitments as they had to sell almost anything that moved when in admin. So now they have more "free" budget to allocate. Ipswich also cleared the decks but to a lesser extent.
How much each club's budget is and how it compares to ours we don't now. They have signed a lot of players but mainly on free transfers but have also signed sought after players like Piggott and Wyke so you could reasonably say that they have money to spend.
But their fans and fans of Pompey or Sunderland might look at us and say "they signed Stockley for a fee, they have already loaned a defender from an EPL club and got Pompey's player of the year." Sunderland fans will say Dobson is rubbish but Wimbledon fans disagree. Burton fans would love to have kept Clare.
So from the outside, others might think WE have a decent budget.
Thing is they don't know and we don't know. We all have a budget but none of us know what it is at our club or the other clubs. We can guess ours is higher than Accrington's or Wimbledon's and maybe closer to Pompey (who we beat to Stockley, remember) but we just don't know.
Our recruitment is always pretty decent overall, and as we know with Yann previous history isn't necessarily a guide to how well they'll do for us. No issues with the players who have come in either.
We all know we're short - we only have one left back in the building and he's not fit for the start of the season - and recruitment hasn't followed the pattern indicated by Sandgaard and Adkins. We'll be up there, and personally I wouldn't advocate wild spending anyway, but there's undoubtedly a mismatch between the promise and the reality. Any other owner and the cynics would be out re ST sales etc, so he is getting a lot of leeway.
I wonder if we are restricted in our budget, due to the fact Roland has whacked up the cost of the rent on the valley and the training ground?
I very much doubt we are restricted in the budget at all. It's a slow market in general.
Every club is restricted in their budget in someway, even Man City.
What matters is relative budget and existing commitments.
We kept a number of players. Pearce on a presumably lower wage, plus everyone else like Gunter, Innis, DJ, Washington, Gilbey etc etc. That's all fine and we can rightly ask if Watson and Schwartz are worth the money they are getting (let's NOT do that debate on here AGAIN) but they are existing deals so we can't just rip them up. We might sell Ronnie but it's an example of how some of our budget in tied up.
Wigan are a good example of a club with low existing commitments as they had to sell almost anything that moved when in admin. So now they have more "free" budget to allocate. Ipswich also cleared the decks but to a lesser extent.
How much each club's budget is and how it compares to ours we don't now. They have signed a lot of players but mainly on free transfers but have also signed sought after players like Piggott and Wyke so you could reasonably say that they have money to spend.
But their fans and fans of Pompey or Sunderland might look at us and say "they signed Stockley for a fee, they have already loaned a defender from an EPL club and got Pompey's player of the year." Sunderland fans will say Dobson is rubbish but Wimbledon fans disagree. Burton fans would love to have kept Clare.
So from the outside, others might think WE have a decent budget.
Thing is they don't know and we don't know. We all have a budget but none of us know what it is at our club or the other clubs. We can guess ours is higher than Accrington's or Wimbledon's and maybe closer to Pompey (who we beat to Stockley, remember) but we just don't know.
Our recruitment is always pretty decent overall, and as we know with Yann previous history isn't necessarily a guide to how well they'll do for us. No issues with the players who have come in either.
We all know we're short - we only have one left back in the building and he's not fit for the start of the season - and recruitment hasn't followed the pattern indicated by Sandgaard and Adkins. We'll be up there, and personally I wouldn't advocate wild spending anyway, but there's undoubtedly a mismatch between the promise and the reality. Any other owner and the cynics would be out re ST sales etc, so he is getting a lot of leeway.
But there isn't a mismatch between the promises and the reality. Not yet at least.
For one, I don't think they were "promises", more statements of intent. I never took them as seriously as others seem to but maybe that is the person I am. I don't keep saying WIOTOS for my health, it's because it's better and sometimes necessary to wait for a definitive outcome rather than making judgement before the event.
But even if you insist that they were "promises" TS said we'd "blow through this league" or "Blow this league away". Adkins said "That will be us next year".
Well, the season hasn't even kicked off yet so there is still plenty of time and 46 matches for those "promises" to be realised.
Personally, I agree with under promise, over deliver but as the often misquoted saying goes "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" ie you can't judge the quality of the pudding when it is being mixed or cooked, only when it is finished and ready to eat.
We're still sorting out the pudding ingredients, just like every other cook, I mean club, in the league.
We’re going to get to deadline day with nobody but Callum Harriott and Nathan Eccleston in the building
Nathan Ecclestone. There's a name from the past. Remember he came in on loan and scored an absolutely brilliant goal. Thought he would have a great career based on that goal.
I’m frustrated like most, but relaxed about transfers, hopefully we’ll get their in the end.
No point in getting stressed about stuff tou have no control over, just hope we’re not under a transfer embargo!
We've signed four players under that embargo then
And the EFL now announce embargos.
But yes, why stress over it.
We can't control new signings so while it might be frustrating there is nothing we can do about it. Talk about it, critique it by all means but don't let it stress you out.
We’re going to get to deadline day with nobody but Callum Harriott and Nathan Eccleston in the building
Nathan Ecclestone. There's a name from the past. Remember he came in on loan and scored an absolutely brilliant goal. Thought he would have a great career based on that goal.
Whatever happened to him?
Yeah he looked a right talent in League One, he somehow fell off a cliff and barely played since 2015.
This thread is unbelievable. The sense of entitlement is off the scale. Grown men spending another person's money and throwing keyboard tantrums left right and centre as the other person isn't throwing his money round in a manner which they deem acceptable.
This time last year we were on the brink. A very real possibility of going out of business. Sandergaard might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is well in credit for effectively saving the club from going out of business.
He set his stall out very early on and made it clear he would be running things as a business. A business does not burn through a fuck ton of money that it potentially has no hope of recouping.
We all know the squad is thin, but the business we have done so far is good. There is no way we won't being additional players in before the window closes.
I wish people would stop with the I want it and I want it now bollocks. There are people on this thread who are like a fucking stuck record. Spouting the same shit over and over whilst launching toys round whatever room they are sitting in.
The sooner people accept that the club were just about at rock bottom and that unless you get a billionaire coming in with very deep pockets, coming back from that takes time, the better.
You're right, of course you're right.
Only thing I'd observe that puts a slightly different perspective on things is that Sandgaard didn't come in quietly promising a slow build. We all know that getting established in the Premiership within 5 years is unlikely to begin with a poorer League One squad than missed out on promotion the previous season.
Time will tell, but I'm not sure the frustration is that we're not spending millions but with what seems strikingly obvious: we're missing out on our target players because of financial constraints.
I really wish he'd just talked about a long term plan, getting the foundations in place and getting us challenging in the Championship, than promising top end Premiership within 5 years - because no-one would have any unrealistic expectations on transfer spend.
Tl:Dr - it was Sandgaard who said, I want it and I want it now.
Who have we missed out on?
In fairness the poster said it was obvious, which personally I don't quite agree on, but it's also fairly clear we're not splashing the cash. I think it's a good bet we'd have missed out on a few, Cawley hinted as much, but whether this was because our offer was poor or a Championship club simply won the battle I don't know. Sandgaard is probably going to be very disappointed if he thinks he can get to the Prem without spending a large amount of money though, I think he'll regret some of his ambition when we're miles away.
I doubt Thomas had watched much League One football when he bought the club. It’s tougher than he expected.
Tbf I dont think many people would have seen this coming. I expect agents are trying to hold out for pre covid money which they need to get in the real world about imo. Maybe there is a reset on the horizon which many of us have been saying is needed
This thread is unbelievable. The sense of entitlement is off the scale. Grown men spending another person's money and throwing keyboard tantrums left right and centre as the other person isn't throwing his money round in a manner which they deem acceptable.
This time last year we were on the brink. A very real possibility of going out of business. Sandergaard might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is well in credit for effectively saving the club from going out of business.
He set his stall out very early on and made it clear he would be running things as a business. A business does not burn through a fuck ton of money that it potentially has no hope of recouping.
We all know the squad is thin, but the business we have done so far is good. There is no way we won't being additional players in before the window closes.
I wish people would stop with the I want it and I want it now bollocks. There are people on this thread who are like a fucking stuck record. Spouting the same shit over and over whilst launching toys round whatever room they are sitting in.
The sooner people accept that the club were just about at rock bottom and that unless you get a billionaire coming in with very deep pockets, coming back from that takes time, the better.
You're right, of course you're right.
Only thing I'd observe that puts a slightly different perspective on things is that Sandgaard didn't come in quietly promising a slow build. We all know that getting established in the Premiership within 5 years is unlikely to begin with a poorer League One squad than missed out on promotion the previous season.
Time will tell, but I'm not sure the frustration is that we're not spending millions but with what seems strikingly obvious: we're missing out on our target players because of financial constraints.
I really wish he'd just talked about a long term plan, getting the foundations in place and getting us challenging in the Championship, than promising top end Premiership within 5 years - because no-one would have any unrealistic expectations on transfer spend.
Tl:Dr - it was Sandgaard who said, I want it and I want it now.
Who have we missed out on?
In fairness the poster said it was obvious, which personally I don't quite agree on, but it's also fairly clear we're not splashing the cash. I think it's a good bet we'd have missed out on a few, Cawley hinted as much, but whether this was because our offer was poor or a Championship club simply won the battle I don't know. Sandgaard is probably going to be very disappointed if he thinks he can get to the Prem without spending a large amount of money though, I think he'll regret some of his ambition when we're miles away.
I doubt Thomas had watched much League One football when he bought the club. It’s tougher than he expected.
And I imagine the ramifications of Covid etc have turned out a lot tougher than expected. This is a season not quite like any other before and we're not the only ones struggling to get signings done in large numbers.
This thread is unbelievable. The sense of entitlement is off the scale. Grown men spending another person's money and throwing keyboard tantrums left right and centre as the other person isn't throwing his money round in a manner which they deem acceptable.
This time last year we were on the brink. A very real possibility of going out of business. Sandergaard might not be everyone's cup of tea, but he is well in credit for effectively saving the club from going out of business.
He set his stall out very early on and made it clear he would be running things as a business. A business does not burn through a fuck ton of money that it potentially has no hope of recouping.
We all know the squad is thin, but the business we have done so far is good. There is no way we won't being additional players in before the window closes.
I wish people would stop with the I want it and I want it now bollocks. There are people on this thread who are like a fucking stuck record. Spouting the same shit over and over whilst launching toys round whatever room they are sitting in.
The sooner people accept that the club were just about at rock bottom and that unless you get a billionaire coming in with very deep pockets, coming back from that takes time, the better.
You're right, of course you're right.
Only thing I'd observe that puts a slightly different perspective on things is that Sandgaard didn't come in quietly promising a slow build. We all know that getting established in the Premiership within 5 years is unlikely to begin with a poorer League One squad than missed out on promotion the previous season.
Time will tell, but I'm not sure the frustration is that we're not spending millions but with what seems strikingly obvious: we're missing out on our target players because of financial constraints.
I really wish he'd just talked about a long term plan, getting the foundations in place and getting us challenging in the Championship, than promising top end Premiership within 5 years - because no-one would have any unrealistic expectations on transfer spend.
Tl:Dr - it was Sandgaard who said, I want it and I want it now.
Who have we missed out on?
In fairness the poster said it was obvious, which personally I don't quite agree on, but it's also fairly clear we're not splashing the cash. I think it's a good bet we'd have missed out on a few, Cawley hinted as much, but whether this was because our offer was poor or a Championship club simply won the battle I don't know. Sandgaard is probably going to be very disappointed if he thinks he can get to the Prem without spending a large amount of money though, I think he'll regret some of his ambition when we're miles away.
I doubt Thomas had watched much League One football when he bought the club. It’s tougher than he expected.
And I imagine the ramifications of Covid etc have turned out a lot tougher than expected. This is a season not quite like any other before and we're not the only ones struggling to get signings done in large numbers.
As I said earlier, all depends on why other clubs are struggling. For some it might be because they are strapped for cash. For others it might be because they are under a "soft" emabargo due to taking the EFL loan money. I would like to think that we are not in either camp. Understand there are budgets.....just didnt realise the budget was going to be the same or less than last year.
I hate trying to compare us to other clubs & being honest I couldnt give a f**k what other clubs are doing. I just want to get out this league & to do that it's best to be in the top 2 come May next year rather than 3rd to 6th.
Obviously Joel Randall was a target...he was mentioned in January. Sad state of affairs when we lose out to Peterboro with their shitty stadium and donkey field of a pitch.....granted they are in the championship but we should be selling the club as having a very good chance of being there next season
Obviously Joel Randall was a target...he was mentioned in January. Sad state of affairs when we lose out to Peterboro with their shitty stadium and donkey field of a pitch.....granted they are in the championship but we should be selling the club as having a very good chance of being there next season
Yeah I'm sure the management team aren't doing that at all 🤣
Obviously Joel Randall was a target...he was mentioned in January. Sad state of affairs when we lose out to Peterboro with their shitty stadium and donkey field of a pitch.....granted they are in the championship but we should be selling the club as having a very good chance of being there next season
Not after his mate moved to Hull there was no way he was accepting anything other then championship move .. 1.2 mill for league two player proves how ridiculous and tough is window is becoming .. we just have to keep our nerve …
I wonder if we are restricted in our budget, due to the fact Roland has whacked up the cost of the rent on the valley and the training ground?
I very much doubt we are restricted in the budget at all. It's a slow market in general.
Every club is restricted in their budget in someway, even Man City.
What matters is relative budget and existing commitments.
We kept a number of players. Pearce on a presumably lower wage, plus everyone else like Gunter, Innis, DJ, Washington, Gilbey etc etc. That's all fine and we can rightly ask if Watson and Schwartz are worth the money they are getting (let's NOT do that debate on here AGAIN) but they are existing deals so we can't just rip them up. We might sell Ronnie but it's an example of how some of our budget in tied up.
Wigan are a good example of a club with low existing commitments as they had to sell almost anything that moved when in admin. So now they have more "free" budget to allocate. Ipswich also cleared the decks but to a lesser extent.
How much each club's budget is and how it compares to ours we don't now. They have signed a lot of players but mainly on free transfers but have also signed sought after players like Piggott and Wyke so you could reasonably say that they have money to spend.
But their fans and fans of Pompey or Sunderland might look at us and say "they signed Stockley for a fee, they have already loaned a defender from an EPL club and got Pompey's player of the year." Sunderland fans will say Dobson is rubbish but Wimbledon fans disagree. Burton fans would love to have kept Clare.
So from the outside, others might think WE have a decent budget.
Thing is they don't know and we don't know. We all have a budget but none of us know what it is at our club or the other clubs. We can guess ours is higher than Accrington's or Wimbledon's and maybe closer to Pompey (who we beat to Stockley, remember) but we just don't know.
Our recruitment is always pretty decent overall, and as we know with Yann previous history isn't necessarily a guide to how well they'll do for us. No issues with the players who have come in either.
We all know we're short - we only have one left back in the building and he's not fit for the start of the season - and recruitment hasn't followed the pattern indicated by Sandgaard and Adkins. We'll be up there, and personally I wouldn't advocate wild spending anyway, but there's undoubtedly a mismatch between the promise and the reality. Any other owner and the cynics would be out re ST sales etc, so he is getting a lot of leeway.
But there isn't a mismatch between the promises and the reality. Not yet at least.
For one, I don't think they were "promises", more statements of intent. I never took them as seriously as others seem to but maybe that is the person I am. I don't keep saying WIOTOS for my health, it's because it's better and sometimes necessary to wait for a definitive outcome rather than making judgement before the event.
But even if you insist that they were "promises" TS said we'd "blow through this league" or "Blow this league away". Adkins said "That will be us next year".
Well, the season hasn't even kicked off yet so there is still plenty of time and 46 matches for those "promises" to be realised.
Personally, I agree with under promise, over deliver but as the often misquoted saying goes "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" ie you can't judge the quality of the pudding when it is being mixed or cooked, only when it is finished and ready to eat.
We're still sorting out the pudding ingredients, just like every other cook, I mean club, in the league.
I don't disagree Henry, just as I didn't disagree with anything Tim said. Just pointing out that it wasn't the fans who created crazy expectations, but the owner.
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Not convinced the money isn't there, it's very easy to spend somebody else's money but if clubs are demanding high fees for there best players, should we just pay out what they want so we can all be satisfied we've followed the 2011 model?
As many others have said it all seems to be a game of who'll blink first. I'd rather us wait and get the players we want for the right price rather than blow the budget just because we need players, as do pretty much everybody else in the league.
There are lots of clubs in League 1 suffering from the effect that Covid had last season. Some clubs have taken the EFL money & therefore are restricted on their transfer dealings.
I thought that we weren't in either group & therefore would have been in a stronger position to bargain/buy players.
What matters is relative budget and existing commitments.
We kept a number of players. Pearce on a presumably lower wage, plus everyone else like Gunter, Innis, DJ, Washington, Gilbey etc etc. That's all fine and we can rightly ask if Watson and Schwartz are worth the money they are getting (let's NOT do that debate on here AGAIN) but they are existing deals so we can't just rip them up. We might sell Ronnie but it's an example of how some of our budget in tied up.
Wigan are a good example of a club with low existing commitments as they had to sell almost anything that moved when in admin. So now they have more "free" budget to allocate. Ipswich also cleared the decks but to a lesser extent.
How much each club's budget is and how it compares to ours we don't now. They have signed a lot of players but mainly on free transfers but have also signed sought after players like Piggott and Wyke so you could reasonably say that they have money to spend.
But their fans and fans of Pompey or Sunderland might look at us and say "they signed Stockley for a fee, they have already loaned a defender from an EPL club and got Pompey's player of the year." Sunderland fans will say Dobson is rubbish but Wimbledon fans disagree. Burton fans would love to have kept Clare.
So from the outside, others might think WE have a decent budget.
Thing is they don't know and we don't know. We all have a budget but none of us know what it is at our club or the other clubs. We can guess ours is higher than Accrington's or Wimbledon's and maybe closer to Pompey (who we beat to Stockley, remember) but we just don't know.
It's all very well comparing ourselves to other L1 clubs, but if our budget is the same as theirs then it's going to be tougher to sign players, right? And if clubs being in financial straits is a reason for lower spending, it's hardly pushing transfer fees up either - quite the opposite.
It seems obvious to me that the difference between the clubs landing players and those who aren't is money.
My main point was that the promise didn't appear to have been backed up. No issue with the points Tim made but it wasn't Charlton fans who set the expectation - it was Mr Sandgaard. Like I say, better to set lower expectations and over deliver than the other way round.
We all know we're short - we only have one left back in the building and he's not fit for the start of the season - and recruitment hasn't followed the pattern indicated by Sandgaard and Adkins. We'll be up there, and personally I wouldn't advocate wild spending anyway, but there's undoubtedly a mismatch between the promise and the reality. Any other owner and the cynics would be out re ST sales etc, so he is getting a lot of leeway.
No point in getting stressed about stuff tou have no control over, just hope we’re not under a transfer embargo!
For one, I don't think they were "promises", more statements of intent. I never took them as seriously as others seem to but maybe that is the person I am. I don't keep saying WIOTOS for my health, it's because it's better and sometimes necessary to wait for a definitive outcome rather than making judgement before the event.
But even if you insist that they were "promises" TS said we'd "blow through this league" or "Blow this league away". Adkins said "That will be us next year".
Well, the season hasn't even kicked off yet so there is still plenty of time and 46 matches for those "promises" to be realised.
Personally, I agree with under promise, over deliver but as the often misquoted saying goes "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" ie you can't judge the quality of the pudding when it is being mixed or cooked, only when it is finished and ready to eat.
We're still sorting out the pudding ingredients, just like every other cook, I mean club, in the league.
Whatever happened to him?
And the EFL now announce embargos.
But yes, why stress over it.
We can't control new signings so while it might be frustrating there is nothing we can do about it. Talk about it, critique it by all means but don't let it stress you out.
im wondering if we had an agreed budget but then an increased budget of Pope was sold.
I hate trying to compare us to other clubs & being honest I couldnt give a f**k what other clubs are doing. I just want to get out this league & to do that it's best to be in the top 2 come May next year rather than 3rd to 6th.
Dropping points to Sheffield Wednesday and Oxford will put us in catch-up mode already.