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2022 World Cup qualifiers thread

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  • edited March 2022
    Costa Rica won 2-1.

    USA 4-0 up at half time over Panama. That would eliminate Panama and all but confirm the qualification of the US.

    Mexico goalless with Honduras.
  • Looks extremely likely that it will be NZ v Costa Rica (if NZ as expected beat Solomon Islands).
    Mexico will need to lose at home to El Salvador and at the same time, Costa Rica need to beat USA. A four goal difference as well between Mexico and Costa Rica.
  • edited March 2022
    Yes CONCACAF is effectively settled after this evening.

    1 Canada 28pts (Q)
    2 USA 25pts +13
    3 Mexico 25pts +7
    -
    4 Costa Rica 22pts +3
    -
    5 Panama 18pts (E)

    Costa Rica v USA
    Mexico v El Salvador


    Costa Rica must beat the US by six goals for the US to not automatically qualify. Five goals would have them level on goal difference but US have more goals scored.

    The only other way Costa Rica get in automatically is if Mexico lose at home to El Salvador (by a goal at best) while they beat the US by four. 

    They could do it with a win by three if Mexico lost 0-1 and they won 5-2 for example but 3-0 and 4-1 would not be enough.
  • One thing I didn’t realise is that the draw is only five days away.

    We have 20 qualified teams: Qatar, Germany, Denmark, Brazil, France, Belgium, Croatia, Spain, Serbia, England, Switzerland, Netherlands, Argentina, Iran, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Ecuador, Uruguay & Canada.

    You can add the USA and Mexico in a few days for twenty two. Portugal should make it 23 unless there is North Macedonia drama part 2. Team 24 will be Poland or Sweden. 

    Plus the five African nations makes 29. The favourites are Nigeria, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt.


    The final three places will be decided by play off in June so we will have a few “OR”s appearing in the draw like the FA Cup. :-)

    - Wales OR Scotland OR Ukraine
    - Costa Rica OR New Zealand OR Solomon Islands
    - Peru OR Colombia OR Chile OR Australia OR UAE OR Iraq
    Don't they usually do the draw with the name of the team on a piece of paper?? lol that's gonna be a long bit of paper 
  • edited March 2022
    Notice from Wiki that the draw will be determined by the FIFA World Rankings at the end of March... Thankfully we're 5th at the moment, with Italy not qualifying I cant see how we wont be one of the top seed.

    Qatar | Belgium | Brazil | France | Argentina | England | Spain | Portugal OR Denmark

    This is all then guess work, but based on the last World Cup the next Pot should be:

    P2: Portugal OR Denmark | Netherlands | Germany | Mexico | United States | Switzerland | Croatia

    Wales | Scotland | Ukraine, along with the two InterContinental Play-Off winners will go into Pot Four
  • One thing I didn’t realise is that the draw is only five days away.

    We have 20 qualified teams: Qatar, Germany, Denmark, Brazil, France, Belgium, Croatia, Spain, Serbia, England, Switzerland, Netherlands, Argentina, Iran, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Ecuador, Uruguay & Canada.

    You can add the USA and Mexico in a few days for twenty two. Portugal should make it 23 unless there is North Macedonia drama part 2. Team 24 will be Poland or Sweden. 

    Plus the five African nations makes 29. The favourites are Nigeria, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt.


    The final three places will be decided by play off in June so we will have a few “OR”s appearing in the draw like the FA Cup. :-)

    - Wales OR Scotland OR Ukraine
    - Costa Rica OR New Zealand OR Solomon Islands
    - Peru OR Colombia OR Chile OR Australia OR UAE OR Iraq
    Don't they usually do the draw with the name of the team on a piece of paper?? lol that's gonna be a long bit of paper 
    If you see an extra bigger ball then that's them.
  • One thing I didn’t realise is that the draw is only five days away.

    We have 20 qualified teams: Qatar, Germany, Denmark, Brazil, France, Belgium, Croatia, Spain, Serbia, England, Switzerland, Netherlands, Argentina, Iran, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Ecuador, Uruguay & Canada.

    You can add the USA and Mexico in a few days for twenty two. Portugal should make it 23 unless there is North Macedonia drama part 2. Team 24 will be Poland or Sweden. 

    Plus the five African nations makes 29. The favourites are Nigeria, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt.


    The final three places will be decided by play off in June so we will have a few “OR”s appearing in the draw like the FA Cup. :-)

    - Wales OR Scotland OR Ukraine
    - Costa Rica OR New Zealand OR Solomon Islands
    - Peru OR Colombia OR Chile OR Australia OR UAE OR Iraq
    Don't they usually do the draw with the name of the team on a piece of paper?? lol that's gonna be a long bit of paper 
    Haha yes but by the time the draw rolls around on Friday, those six names will be cut down to three (one CONMEBOL and two AFC) so you’re going to see something like

    Peru OR Australia OR Iraq

    as an example.

    Six names on a piece of paper would be fun no doubt. :-)
  • Congratulations to Canada. First World Cup appearance in 36 years.
    Millar was on the bench, but didn't come on
  • edited March 2022
    Notice from Wiki that the draw will be determined by the FIFA World Rankings at the end of March... Thankfully we're 5th at the moment, with Italy not qualifying I cant see how we wont be one of the top seed.

    Qatar | Belgium | Brazil | France | Argentina | England | Spain | Portugal OR Denmark

    This is all then guess work, but based on the last World Cup the next Pot should be:

    P2: Portugal OR Denmark | Netherlands | Germany | Mexico | United States | Switzerland | Croatia

    Wales | Scotland | Ukraine, along with the two InterContinental Play-Off winners will go into Pot Four
    Let's assume all the highest ranked teams left to qualify do so... this would be the pots based on current world rankings from https://football-ranking.com/fifa_rankings

    Pot 1: Qatar, Brazil, Belgium, France, Argentina, England, Spain, Portugal

    Pot 2: Netherlands, Mexico, USA, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, Uruguay, Croatia

    Pot 3: SwedenSenegal, Japan, Iran, Serbia, Morocco, South Korea, Nigeria

    Pot 4: Tunisia, Canada, Algeria, Ecuador, Saudi Arabia, PO1 (Colombia), PO2 (Wales), PO3 (Costa Rica)

    Bolded are the teams who haven't officially qualified yet so teams ranked below them can still move up into better pots if we see some shock results.
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  • edited March 2022
    Got another couple of edits to make, silly me put the play-off winners in different pots!

    Ok it should be finally fixed now.
  • Notice from Wiki that the draw will be determined by the FIFA World Rankings at the end of March... Thankfully we're 5th at the moment, with Italy not qualifying I cant see how we wont be one of the top seed.

    Qatar | Belgium | Brazil | France | Argentina | England | Spain | Portugal OR Denmark

    This is all then guess work, but based on the last World Cup the next Pot should be:

    P2: Portugal OR Denmark | Netherlands | Germany | Mexico | United States | Switzerland | Croatia

    Wales | Scotland | Ukraine, along with the two InterContinental Play-Off winners will go into Pot Four
    Let's assume all the highest ranked teams left to qualify do so... this would be the pots based on current world rankings from https://football-ranking.com/fifa_rankings

    Pot 1: Qatar, Brazil, Belgium, France, Argentina, England, Spain, Portugal

    Pot 2: Netherlands, Mexico, USA, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, Uruguay, Croatia

    Pot 3: Sweden, Colombia, Wales, Senegal, Japan, Iran, Serbia, Morocco

    Pot 4: South Korea, Nigeria, Tunisia, Canada, Costa Rica, Algeria, Ecuador, Saudi Arabia


    Bolded are the teams who haven't officially qualified yet so teams ranked below them can still move up into better pots if we see some shock results.
    Wales cant end up in Pot Three, neither would Colombia if they're the side going through the Play-Offs
  • edited March 2022
    I would be shocked if Portugal, Mexico and the US do not confirm their places within the next couple of days & that would settle Pots 1 and 2. From there, pots 3 and 4 are still a bit messy but the outline is taking shape.
  • edited March 2022
    Notice from Wiki that the draw will be determined by the FIFA World Rankings at the end of March... Thankfully we're 5th at the moment, with Italy not qualifying I cant see how we wont be one of the top seed.

    Qatar | Belgium | Brazil | France | Argentina | England | Spain | Portugal OR Denmark

    This is all then guess work, but based on the last World Cup the next Pot should be:

    P2: Portugal OR Denmark | Netherlands | Germany | Mexico | United States | Switzerland | Croatia

    Wales | Scotland | Ukraine, along with the two InterContinental Play-Off winners will go into Pot Four
    Let's assume all the highest ranked teams left to qualify do so... this would be the pots based on current world rankings from https://football-ranking.com/fifa_rankings

    Pot 1: Qatar, Brazil, Belgium, France, Argentina, England, Spain, Portugal

    Pot 2: Netherlands, Mexico, USA, Denmark, Germany, Switzerland, Uruguay, Croatia

    Pot 3: Sweden, Colombia, Wales, Senegal, Japan, Iran, Serbia, Morocco

    Pot 4: South Korea, Nigeria, Tunisia, Canada, Costa Rica, Algeria, Ecuador, Saudi Arabia


    Bolded are the teams who haven't officially qualified yet so teams ranked below them can still move up into better pots if we see some shock results.
    Wales cant end up in Pot Three, neither would Colombia if they're the side going through the Play-Offs
    Yeah sorry that was a mistake on my part. I had already made a couple of them that I had to fix! This is tricky business apparently.

    The post has been updated now. :-)
  • Lots to be decided tomorrow… here are the games with something to play for with U.K. kick off times.

    Syria v Iraq 2:45pm
    UAE v South Korea 2:45pm

    Nigeria v Ghana 6pm
    Senegal v Egypt 6pm

    Poland v Sweden 7:45pm
    Portugal v North Macedonia 7:45pm

    Algeria v Cameroon 8:30pm
    Morocco v DR Congo 8:30pm
    Tunisia v Mali 8:30pm

    Chile v Uruguay 12:30am
    Peru v Paraguay 12:30am
    Venezuela v Colombia 12:30am
  • why can’t wales be a pot 2/3 team if it’s based on current world rankings ? 
  • edited March 2022
    why can’t wales be a pot 2/3 team if it’s based on current world rankings ? 
    The draw is taking place on Friday before their playoff place is finalised. They are being put into pot 4 by default alongside the intercontinental playoff teams who also play in June.

    If they had played Scotland/Ukraine tomorrow and won, they would likely be in pot 3.

    Colombia/Peru/Chile will also be at a disadvantage from this rule as they could expect to be in pot 3 if they had played their play off game before the draw takes place.
  • Are there rules regarding the draw so that you can't get (for example) 4 Euro sides in one group?

    England, Germany, Sweden, Wales for example i guess can't happen?
  • Are there rules regarding the draw so that you can't get (for example) 4 Euro sides in one group?

    England, Germany, Sweden, Wales for example i guess can't happen?
    Yeah can only be two European teams per Group 
  • Are there rules regarding the draw so that you can't get (for example) 4 Euro sides in one group?

    England, Germany, Sweden, Wales for example i guess can't happen?
    Yeah can only be two European teams per Group 
    I presume it’s the same for South American teams? Which makes it difficult if they don’t get know the winner of the interncontinental playoff yet.
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  • edited March 2022
    Are there rules regarding the draw so that you can't get (for example) 4 Euro sides in one group?

    England, Germany, Sweden, Wales for example i guess can't happen?
    Yeah can only be two European teams per Group 
    I presume it’s the same for South American teams? Which makes it difficult if they don’t get know the winner of the interncontinental playoff yet.
    Nope just the European teams

    Its because there are 14 (?) European teams so its mathematically impossible to avoid having a minimum of two per most Groups - The other continents have five spots at most, so its easier to keep them apart.

    Guess that Inter-Continental winner will just be kept apart from Brazil | Argentina | Qatar
  • edited March 2022
    Are there rules regarding the draw so that you can't get (for example) 4 Euro sides in one group?

    England, Germany, Sweden, Wales for example i guess can't happen?
    Yeah can only be two European teams per Group 
    I presume it’s the same for South American teams? Which makes it difficult if they don’t get know the winner of the interncontinental playoff yet.
    Nope just the European teams

    Its because there are 14 (?) European teams so its mathematically impossible to avoid having a minimum of two per most Groups - The other continents have five spots at most, so its easier to keep them apart.

    Guess that Inter-Continental winner will just be kept apart from Brazil | Argentina | Qatar
    Sorry I meant you can’t have two teams from the same continent outside Europe in a group, which I thought might make the draw difficult if you don’t know the teams. But as you mention, it’s fairly simple.
  • So Groups could look like:

    Qatar | Netherlands | Sweden | Tunisia
    Brazil | Mexico | Senegal | Costa Rica
    Belgium | Croatia | Japan | Ecuador
    France | Denmark | Iran | Canada
    Argentina | Germany | Morocco | Saudi Arabia
    England | Switzerland | South Korea | Colombia
    Spain | Uruguay | Nigeria | Wales
    Portugal | United States | Serbia | Algeria
  • I think the rule is no more than two from Europe, no more than one from any other continent and the international play-off winners are also kept apart from the teams from the continent they beat in the playoff final, as well as their own. There are also some individual countries which get kept apart, but that's usually only an issue in qualifiers. Russia and Ukraine were kept apart in the playoffs. I don't know if they would have been kept apart in the event that they both qualified, but that's not relevant now anyway.

    If I've understood the rules right (which is a very big if), Colombia can't be in a group with an Asian team. 
  • edited March 2022
    Lots to be decided tomorrow… here are the games with something to play for with U.K. kick off times.

    Syria v Iraq 2:45pm
    UAE v South Korea 2:45pm

    Nigeria v Ghana 6pm
    Senegal v Egypt 6pm

    Poland v Sweden 7:45pm
    Portugal v North Macedonia 7:45pm

    Algeria v Cameroon 8:30pm
    Morocco v DR Congo 8:30pm
    Tunisia v Mali 8:30pm

    Chile v Uruguay 12:30am
    Peru v Paraguay 12:30am
    Venezuela v Colombia 12:30am
    Big day today.

    Seven more qualifiers will be confirmed including the five African participants plus two European. 

    That will take us to 27 qualified teams with the US and Mexico set to confirm their places (barring catastrophe) tomorrow for the final 29. 

    In addition, we will be finding out the make-up of the CONMEBOL v AFC intercontinental play-off. Australia are confirmed to be involved and they will be joined by UAE or Iraq from AFC plus one of Colombia, Peru or Chile from CONMEBOL.

    Tomorrow also sees the confirmation of the CONCACAF v OFC intercontinental playoff. Highly likely to be Costa Rica v New Zealand but both have matches to play tomorrow to confirm that.
  • edited March 2022
    I think the rule is no more than two from Europe, no more than one from any other continent and the international play-off winners are also kept apart from the teams from the continent they beat in the playoff final, as well as their own. There are also some individual countries which get kept apart, but that's usually only an issue in qualifiers. Russia and Ukraine were kept apart in the playoffs. I don't know if they would have been kept apart in the event that they both qualified, but that's not relevant now anyway.

    If I've understood the rules right (which is a very big if), Colombia can't be in a group with an Asian team. 
    Yes, you can’t have teams from the same confederation drawn against each other. There is an exception for Europe who have 13 teams to fit into 8 groups - every group must have at least one European country and no more than two to ensure an even spread of UEFA participation.

    Another consequence that comes out of this rule with yet to be played play-offs is for example, if we assume the intercontinental playoff is Australia v Colombia, Australia could not be drawn into a group with a South American side as their ‘ball’ in the draw will be tied to both the Asian and South American confederation. No Brazil or Argentina for the Aussies.

    Similarly, if New Zealand made it past Costa Rica, they can’t end up in a group with Mexico or the US.

    Wales/Scotland/Ukraine will be uneffected by this rule as they all play under the same confederation and will be subject to the same rules as every other UEFA participant.
  • edited March 2022
    So Groups could look like:

    Qatar | Netherlands | Sweden | Tunisia
    Brazil | Mexico | Senegal | Costa Rica
    Belgium | Croatia | Japan | Ecuador
    France | Denmark | Iran | Canada
    Argentina | Germany | Morocco | Saudi Arabia
    England | Switzerland | South Korea | Colombia
    Spain | Uruguay | Nigeria | Wales
    Portugal | United States | Serbia | Algeria
    The groups in bold wouldn’t be allowed to exist under the current rules. Every group requires at least one UEFA participant whilst Mexico and Costa Rica are both from the same confederation so will be kept apart.

    You could fix theoretical Group B by swapping Costa Rica and Wales from your theoretical Group G.

    B: Brazil, Mexico, Senegal, Wales
    G: Spain, Uruguay, Nigeria, Costa Rica

    In theoretical Group F, Colombia cannot be drawn with South Korea due to the intercontinental play-off rule. Swap them with Algeria from H to fix that one. Or swapping South Korea and Senegal from Group B achieves the same goal.

    F: England, Switzerland, South Korea, Algeria
    H: Portugal, US, Serbia, Colombia
    or
    F: England. Switzerland, Senegal, Colombia
    B: Brazil, Mexico, South Korea, Wales
  • edited March 2022
    Notice that Lebanon got eliminated by Iran earlier today, no surprise that Iran won 2-0

    Other two games are firmly in the balance at Half-Time.

    Syria 1-1 Iraq and United Arab Emirates 0-0 South Korea

    Iraq need to win and hope UAE dont, for the former to end up against Australia.
  • edited March 2022
    HT in Asia, 1-1 and 0-0. Iraq have 45 minutes against Syria to find a goal.

    The match is live on the OneFootball app in the UK if you want to watch.
  • Both games are free to watch for anyone absolutely bored shitless

    https://onefootball.com/en/match/2232118
    https://onefootball.com/en/match/2232119
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