I’ve watched all 3 of the recent England games, and it has been a hard slog at times, we haven’t looked impressive, what’s happened to Sancho, Greenwood or Rashford?
We do look to be going backwards performance wise, would love to see Grealish / Maddison fit and having a go.
Greenwood was supposed to be part of the U21 squad for their Euros this break but pulled out injured
Well that was another bore fest!! We are so bloody slow, play tippy tappy football at the back that finishes with them scoring!! Southgate did nothing to change the game. Forget winning the Euros with this set up, we have the players but the football is awful and any opposition will be able to suss us out!
Germany will come good in the euros, when it matters. They always do. Bastards
Like in the last World Cup? - Although there is a jinx on the holders going into each World Cup...
2018: Germany, went out in the First Round 2014: Spain, went out in the First Round 2010: Italy, went out in the First Round 2006: Brazil, made the Quarter-Finals 2002: France, went out in the First Round
Well that was another bore fest!! We are so bloody slow, play tippy tappy football at the back that finishes with them scoring!! Southgate did nothing to change the game. Forget winning the Euros with this set up, we have the players but the football is awful and any opposition will be able to suss us out!
Agree, we need to play with a forward along side Kane who drops back far too much when he is in the formation Southgate plays.
Just stop watching England is my tip for most of you. Meanwhile I am happy that we got the win we deserved. I will worry about facing Germany or France when the time comes. I am off to celebrate, enjoy your cocoa and early night.
Too slow and predictable in the build up .. no one making any lung bursting runs from midfield .. Kane is forever having to come deep to get in the game .. always look pretty and in control, but rarely are .. we were fortunate to win this one despite lots of possession .. the Poles defended well but had no real punch up front .. IF they had, they could well have won this
Just stop watching England is my tip for most of you. Meanwhile I am happy that we got the win we deserved. I will worry about facing Germany or France when the time comes. I am off to celebrate, enjoy your cocoa and early night.
Exactly. The patience level with England is non existent. You’d think supporting Charlton they’d be used to it.
At club level we would be hearing ‘good teams can not play well and win’ which is exactly what we’ve done.
Just stop watching England is my tip for most of you. Meanwhile I am happy that we got the win we deserved. I will worry about facing Germany or France when the time comes. I am off to celebrate, enjoy your cocoa and early night.
Exactly. The patience level with England is non existent. You’d think supporting Charlton they’d be used to it.
At club level we would be hearing ‘good teams can not play well and win’ which is exactly what we’ve done.
It’s not too dissimilar to the sort of entitlement that comes out of armchair, ‘big 6’ type fans.
Spitting feathers if we don’t win every game, or if we come up short against better sides from time to time.
I don’t really know why it is. Maybe it’s down to this marketing message that’s always been pushed that the Premier League is supposedly the be all and end all, and therefore it makes supporters think that we should smash things on an international level.
The only 4 European teams to have 9 points from 3 games are England, Italy, Denmark and Armenia while Sweden and Switzerland have 6 from 2. A bit surprising.
So for Charlton fans, we got a bonus Wednesday night to go with all those Saturdays we've enjoyed this season. I thought Southall needed to shake that up earlier - bringing on Aneke instead 60th type thing. I'd guess this sort of 'nick the lead and defend it' mentality is how we will go, but a one goal lead is easily removed, and to be honest I'm sick of seeing it at the Valley. I feel we could do better with the players we have so sod it, let's get rid of Southall.
I really don't have a problem with Germany beyond enjoying any big team fuck up. To be honest, my major problems with this world Cup is what's gone on in Qatar to build it, but that's probably better left on the politics forum. FIFA are that's, and the FA back them.
Find this quite ridiculous but that was apparently only Germany's THIRD ever world cup qualifying defeat.
Their last one was the 5-1 to us. They've never lost an away game!
Apparently Italy have never lost a home WC qualifier game.
I guess it's a stat that sounds better than it actually is because when you think about it, they play 5 home qualifiers every 4 years. And most will be against rubbish teams.
Plus if you take off the times they've hosted the WC and won it so wouldn't have to qualify then it's probably not that many games.
It wasn't a terrible performance, even without Lewandowski Poland are a good side. They were only back in the game due to a massive mistake.
The problem for me, we looked fairly solid but when we conceded we just didn't look like we were going to score. Southgate was not reactive, which always gives me doubts about any manager. I dont mind playing Phillips / Rice combo as Poland are better than San Marino/Albania, however Henderson will come in for Phillips in an ideal world. Crazy even without a few players, we had players who could make an impact on the bench eg. DCL could have come on and played 2 up top, JWP instead of Phillips would have given us something different and even more threat at set pieces ironically.
We aren't miles off, its just looking at other teams in particular France/ Portugal they seem like they have better quality. I think we have a chance but to be joint faves is pushing it.
Germany LOL , hilarious. probably one of the biggest shocks in recent times, they had won their previous 18. Hopefully they stick to being rubbish and dont do the usual turn up and suddenly find that winning formula and win the Euros.
Find this quite ridiculous but that was apparently only Germany's THIRD ever world cup qualifying defeat.
Their last one was the 5-1 to us. They've never lost an away game!
Apparently Italy have never lost a home WC qualifier game.
I guess it's a stat that sounds better than it actually is because when you think about it, they play 5 home qualifiers every 4 years. And most will be against rubbish teams.
Plus if you take off the times they've hosted the WC and won it so wouldn't have to qualify then it's probably not that many games.
The issue I have is that we are setting up to not lose, rather than going out to win games.
When you have such attacking options that we do, we should be going out and imparting our will on them. We know we either have a keeper in Pickford who may make an error (but hasn't in 30 England internationals) or Pope who is rock solid but terrible with the ball at his feet. We know our two central defenders aren't the greatest, but we also know that playing two CDMs invites too much pressure and we just can't get out of our own half when a team presses us.
So take the game to them. Play full backs who can get forward and overlap. Play Rice, Mount and Foden in the middle. (Bellingham, Henderson) and play Grealish, Kane and Rashford (Sterling, Greenwood, Sancho) and take the game to the opposition.
We haven't won a major tournament in 55 years trying to be all solid and sensible. Taking a bang average Sweden out of the equation, we haven't won a competitive knockout game in 90 minutes under Southgate. Every time we play a decent side we go back into our shell and try not to lose.
It's doing us no bloody good. We've been pissing Qualifying games for 40 years now and it does us no good when it comes to the big games. Venables and Robson said, fuck it - we're changing shape and we're taking the game to others - and we came SOOOOOOOOOO close and beat better opposition on the way. Southgate got lucky at the last world cup. We lost three games.
We didn't play particularly good teams, but over the course of those three matches we allowed 8 shots in total. That's pretty great. We're not set up to play scintillating football but we also don't really look much like losing. It's a shame Stones made that mistake as he's looked good recently, but he's still a good first choice defender for us to have. The fact is, to get anywhere in international football you need to make sure you don't lose. It' all very well to play a team of strikers in a new formation against San Marino and win but then you miss out on the opportunity to test and practice the system you want to use, and your time is limited in international football. Portugal won an entire Euros being absolutely terrible but defending quite well, and we are not absolutely terrible. It's not a brilliant watch and if Henderson isn't back I'd like a better alternative to Kalvin Phillips but we look like a solid team with good attacking players, that bodes well. I don't think Pope did himself much good in this period though. Southgate really likes Pickford and Pope needed to look comfortable on the ball in order to jump ahead of him. I don't think he did and I fully expect to see Pickford back when he's available.
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No idea what our best 11 is, but fairly sure we won’t see it.
North Macedonia in a Group with Netherlands, Austria, Ukraine may well get through to the next round @ the Euros
Rodgers would be a wildcard choice.
2018: Germany, went out in the First Round
2014: Spain, went out in the First Round
2010: Italy, went out in the First Round
2006: Brazil, made the Quarter-Finals
2002: France, went out in the First Round
At club level we would be hearing ‘good teams can not play well and win’ which is exactly what we’ve done.
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I don’t really know why it is. Maybe it’s down to this marketing message that’s always been pushed that the Premier League is supposedly the be all and end all, and therefore it makes supporters think that we should smash things on an international level.
I thought Southall needed to shake that up earlier - bringing on Aneke instead 60th type thing. I'd guess this sort of 'nick the lead and defend it' mentality is how we will go, but a one goal lead is easily removed, and to be honest I'm sick of seeing it at the Valley. I feel we could do better with the players we have so sod it, let's get rid of Southall.
I really don't have a problem with Germany beyond enjoying any big team fuck up. To be honest, my major problems with this world Cup is what's gone on in Qatar to build it, but that's probably better left on the politics forum. FIFA are that's, and the FA back them.
Their last one was the 5-1 to us. They've never lost an away game!
Plus if you take off the times they've hosted the WC and won it so wouldn't have to qualify then it's probably not that many games.
The problem for me, we looked fairly solid but when we conceded we just didn't look like we were going to score. Southgate was not reactive, which always gives me doubts about any manager. I dont mind playing Phillips / Rice combo as Poland are better than San Marino/Albania, however Henderson will come in for Phillips in an ideal world. Crazy even without a few players, we had players who could make an impact on the bench eg. DCL could have come on and played 2 up top, JWP instead of Phillips would have given us something different and even more threat at set pieces ironically.
We aren't miles off, its just looking at other teams in particular France/ Portugal they seem like they have better quality. I think we have a chance but to be joint faves is pushing it.
Germany LOL , hilarious. probably one of the biggest shocks in recent times, they had won their previous 18. Hopefully they stick to being rubbish and dont do the usual turn up and suddenly find that winning formula and win the Euros.
When you have such attacking options that we do, we should be going out and imparting our will on them. We know we either have a keeper in Pickford who may make an error (but hasn't in 30 England internationals) or Pope who is rock solid but terrible with the ball at his feet. We know our two central defenders aren't the greatest, but we also know that playing two CDMs invites too much pressure and we just can't get out of our own half when a team presses us.
So take the game to them. Play full backs who can get forward and overlap. Play Rice, Mount and Foden in the middle. (Bellingham, Henderson) and play Grealish, Kane and Rashford (Sterling, Greenwood, Sancho) and take the game to the opposition.
We haven't won a major tournament in 55 years trying to be all solid and sensible. Taking a bang average Sweden out of the equation, we haven't won a competitive knockout game in 90 minutes under Southgate. Every time we play a decent side we go back into our shell and try not to lose.
It's doing us no bloody good. We've been pissing Qualifying games for 40 years now and it does us no good when it comes to the big games. Venables and Robson said, fuck it - we're changing shape and we're taking the game to others - and we came SOOOOOOOOOO close and beat better opposition on the way. Southgate got lucky at the last world cup. We lost three games.