Approx 20% of the population are 16 or younger so remove them for a start, then pregnant women and those breastfeeding, then those that are concerned about effects before being pregnant and also the dickheads...maybe a 60% of the population is more likely it.
Yes I think it will be a take up of between 60% and 75% as an absolute maximum.
I will have the vaccine. Not convinced of gov strategy. I think that delaying 2nd jab has more to do with difficulties with delivery strategy & shortages of glass vials then primarily wanting to vaccinate more people.
I read Jonathan Van Tam’s explanation of the vaccination committee reasoning. Pfizer is 89% effective first jab but Astra Zeneca is lower around 62% first jab. Most of us will get the Astra Zeneca jab.
It doesn’t seem wise to move way from vaccination companies advice on how to take the dose.
I will have the vaccine. Not convinced of gov strategy. I think that delaying 2nd jab has more to do with difficulties with delivery strategy & shortages of glass vials then primarily wanting to vaccinate more people.
I read Jonathan Van Tam’s explanation of the vaccination committee reasoning. Pfizer is 89% effective first jab but Astra Zeneca is lower around 62% first jab. Most of us will get the Astra Zeneca jab.
It doesn’t seem wise to move way from vaccination companies advice on how to take the dose.
Van the man explained that. 'Simply put, every time we vaccinate someone a second time, we are not vaccinating someone else for the first time,' he says. 'It means we are missing an opportunity to greatly reduce the chances of the most vulnerable people getting severely ill from Covid-19.' Seems right to me. Let’s stop people needing to go to hospital and all that this means.
I will have the vaccine. Not convinced of gov strategy. I think that delaying 2nd jab has more to do with difficulties with delivery strategy & shortages of glass vials then primarily wanting to vaccinate more people.
I read Jonathan Van Tam’s explanation of the vaccination committee reasoning. Pfizer is 89% effective first jab but Astra Zeneca is lower around 62% first jab. Most of us will get the Astra Zeneca jab.
It doesn’t seem wise to move way from vaccination companies advice on how to take the dose.
Van the man explained that. 'Simply put, every time we vaccinate someone a second time, we are not vaccinating someone else for the first time,' he says. 'It means we are missing an opportunity to greatly reduce the chances of the most vulnerable people getting severely ill from Covid-19.' Seems right to me. Let’s stop people needing to go to hospital and all that this means.
It seems that this strategy is okay for the Astra Zeneca vaccine, as they have been able to use the trial data to confirm that 2 doses up to 12 weeks apart is okay. The same data doesn't exist for the Pfizer vaccine and it is largely guesswork. As the Pfizer vaccine has been given to the most vulnerable people in the country, should we be taking a risk with them?
Writing in the Mail on Sunday, deputy chief medical officer Prof Jonathan Van-Tam said the new dosing regimen will "save the most lives and avoid the most hospital admissions".
He said: "If a family has two elderly grandparents and there are two vaccines available, it is better to give both 89% protection than to give one 95% protection with two quick doses, and the other grandparent no protection at all.
"The virus is unfortunately spreading fast, and this is a race against time.
"My mum, as well as you or your older loved ones, may be affected by this decision, but it is still the right thing to do for the nation as a whole.
Good that there is some data around Astra Zeneca to support gap of 12 weeks. It would be great to see source for that. The concern is that the gap to the second dose is more than 12 weeks.
My concern is that gov is not being straight up about vaccine delivery difficulties. I would prefer to know the exact situation rather than big PR fanfares for something they know is not achieveable.
Guardian article does say that dose of both lessened more severe symptoms in the trial which is a good thing.
Covid19 Patient facing staff Doctors, nurses, paramedics & most vulnerable patients should be considered for double dose.
Good that there is some data around Astra Zeneca to support gap of 12 weeks. It would be great to see source for that. The concern is that the gap to the second dose is more than 12 weeks.
My concern is that gov is not being straight up about vaccine delivery difficulties. I would prefer to know the exact situation rather than big PR fanfares for something they know is not achieveable.
Guardian article does say that dose of both lessened more severe symptoms in the trial which is a good thing.
Covid19 Patient facing staff Doctors, nurses, paramedics & most vulnerable patients should be considered for double dose.
The way this new virus is spreading I would understand if they dropped that 2nd jab altogether. Better IMO to double the people with 89% protection. Stop the deaths, clear the hospitals.
Good that there is some data around Astra Zeneca to support gap of 12 weeks. It would be great to see source for that. The concern is that the gap to the second dose is more than 12 weeks.
My concern is that gov is not being straight up about vaccine delivery difficulties. I would prefer to know the exact situation rather than big PR fanfares for something they know is not achieveable.
Guardian article does say that dose of both lessened more severe symptoms in the trial which is a good thing.
Covid19 Patient facing staff Doctors, nurses, paramedics & most vulnerable patients should be considered for double dose.
The way this new virus is spreading I would understand if they dropped that 2nd jab altogether. Better IMO to double the people with 89% protection. Stop the deaths, clear the hospitals.
Most of us will get Astra Zeneca vaccine - 62% efficacy- it only goes up to 90% with a second dose. Pfizer is 89% with 95% second shot efficacy. Its limited data on impact of not taking a second shot.
I have a worry about a vaccine resistant strain forming due to a weaker vaccine protocol. I have no real evidence to base that worry on.
Just heard Missus family member working in Royal Brompton on Covid19 unit has just received Pfizer vaccine (unclear whether they will get a 2nd shot) but pleased they have had a shot.
Its vital Covid19 facing patient NHS staff get vaccinated as a matter of priority.
I will have the vaccine. Not convinced of gov strategy. I think that delaying 2nd jab has more to do with difficulties with delivery strategy & shortages of glass vials then primarily wanting to vaccinate more people.
I read Jonathan Van Tam’s explanation of the vaccination committee reasoning. Pfizer is 89% effective first jab but Astra Zeneca is lower around 62% first jab. Most of us will get the Astra Zeneca jab.
It doesn’t seem wise to move way from vaccination companies advice on how to take the dose.
Mixing & matching of vaccines proposed. Definitely no evidence on the impact of this.
It would not be the first time vaccines have been used this way, and when previously done it was found that the results were better. No doubt test will be done in the fullness of time, and until then, I would think that the practice will occur only when the risk of not doing so is greater. I am less worried about this than our government’s ability to organise anything efficiently. They will probably run out of needles and cotton wool.
I will have the vaccine. Not convinced of gov strategy. I think that delaying 2nd jab has more to do with difficulties with delivery strategy & shortages of glass vials then primarily wanting to vaccinate more people.
I read Jonathan Van Tam’s explanation of the vaccination committee reasoning. Pfizer is 89% effective first jab but Astra Zeneca is lower around 62% first jab. Most of us will get the Astra Zeneca jab.
It doesn’t seem wise to move way from vaccination companies advice on how to take the dose.
In Boris and Hancock we trust...
Have Boris and Matt Wanksock had their vaccination yet?
I will have the vaccine. Not convinced of gov strategy. I think that delaying 2nd jab has more to do with difficulties with delivery strategy & shortages of glass vials then primarily wanting to vaccinate more people.
I read Jonathan Van Tam’s explanation of the vaccination committee reasoning. Pfizer is 89% effective first jab but Astra Zeneca is lower around 62% first jab. Most of us will get the Astra Zeneca jab.
It doesn’t seem wise to move way from vaccination companies advice on how to take the dose.
In Boris and Hancock we trust...
Have Boris and Matt Wanksock had their vaccination yet?
I will have the vaccine. Not convinced of gov strategy. I think that delaying 2nd jab has more to do with difficulties with delivery strategy & shortages of glass vials then primarily wanting to vaccinate more people.
I read Jonathan Van Tam’s explanation of the vaccination committee reasoning. Pfizer is 89% effective first jab but Astra Zeneca is lower around 62% first jab. Most of us will get the Astra Zeneca jab.
It doesn’t seem wise to move way from vaccination companies advice on how to take the dose.
In Boris and Hancock we trust...
Have Boris and Matt Wanksock had their vaccination yet?
My new boss today (first meeting I've had with her) managed to shoehorn into a conversation with me that she wouldn't take the vaccine "unless I can't go on holiday or to a festival without taking it."
Must admit it made me laugh. People are funny, terrified of the horrors of a vaccine, unless it stops you being able to go and sit in a field surrounded by piss, shit, and even shittier drugs for a weekend.
People are funny, terrified of the horrors of a vaccine, unless it stops you being able to go and sit in a field surrounded by piss, shit, and even shittier drugs for a weekend.
TBH that sounds like the holiday of a lifetime right about now.
Two months later, it would be interesting to see how many people have changed their mind. It would also be really useful to see what the breakdown is between at risk/less risk groups.
Spent quite a while thinking about it, as although not anti vax at all, I am slightly, slightly skeptical.
I'll basically not have it until asked to, so if not enough people have taken it for herd immunity to kick in in order to protect society, I will put myself forward, but won't choose to as soon as I am eligible (which won't be for a long time anyway).
That way I won't be taking a vaccine off someone that would seek comfort from having one, but will take it if it is required for the benefit of society.
Isn't that the way it works? We can't have it until we are asked to. Anyway, we have to have it. It is our duty to our country. And the plus side is that we know it is safe.
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It doesn’t seem wise to move way from vaccination companies advice on how to take the dose.
Seems right to me. Let’s stop people needing to go to hospital and all that this means.
Writing in the Mail on Sunday, deputy chief medical officer Prof Jonathan Van-Tam said the new dosing regimen will "save the most lives and avoid the most hospital admissions".
He said: "If a family has two elderly grandparents and there are two vaccines available, it is better to give both 89% protection than to give one 95% protection with two quick doses, and the other grandparent no protection at all.
"The virus is unfortunately spreading fast, and this is a race against time.
"My mum, as well as you or your older loved ones, may be affected by this decision, but it is still the right thing to do for the nation as a whole.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55518841
Good that there is some data around Astra Zeneca to support gap of 12 weeks. It would be great to see source for that. The concern is that the gap to the second dose is more than 12 weeks.
Its vital Covid19 facing patient NHS staff get vaccinated as a matter of priority.
I am less worried about this than our government’s ability to organise anything efficiently. They will probably run out of needles and cotton wool.
Must admit it made me laugh. People are funny, terrified of the horrors of a vaccine, unless it stops you being able to go and sit in a field surrounded by piss, shit, and even shittier drugs for a weekend.