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Project "Big Picture" - "Big" Clubs Plan Overhaul of English Football

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  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,587
    This is basically locking in forever the big 6's control and power.

    It is greed and arrogance from the top clubs. What they fail to grasp is they need the rest of the clubs and the English pyramid system and they will find that out if this goes ahead when the competition becomes so boring and predictable and the product will suffer and in turn its appeal and TV revenue. 

    If this was to ever go ahead I would done my back on the Premier League cancel my Sky package making clear why when doing so. I would not watch any highlights also.  I would have no interest in talksport and other sports stains/channels where the PL is covered. 

    I would even boycott any brands associated with the Premier League. 

    I actually think it would for me filter down to the England team and would end up turning my back on this as well naturally as I would find it hard to get any enjoyment out of watching premier league players playing. 

    I would still follow and enjoy Charlton in much the same way unless B teams was ever introduced and then for me I think that would be it. 

  • pettgra
    pettgra Posts: 1,572
    As an aside the Manchester City CEO said he would like the EFL restructured to include Premier League B Teams.
    He is not happy with overseas teams buying stockpiled players on the cheap.
    Premiership clubs were quite happy to introduce the Elite Performance structure whereby they can acquire fourteen year olds for virtually nothing. I am losing my love for football quite rapidly.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,143
    Rick Parry is a spineless c*nt
    Agree. Always has been.

    A lifelong Liverpool fan, he engineered the original FAPL privatisation of football and then went on to be CEO of Liverpool for many years. 
  •  roseandcrown said:
    This is basically locking in forever the big 6's control and power.

    It is greed and arrogance from the top clubs. What they fail to grasp is they need the rest of the clubs and the English pyramid system and they will find that out if this goes ahead when the competition becomes so boring and predictable and the product will suffer and in turn its appeal and TV revenue. 

    If this was to ever go ahead I would done my back on the Premier League cancel my Sky package making clear why when doing so. I would not watch any highlights also.  I would have no interest in talksport and other sports stains/channels where the PL is covered. 

    I would even boycott any brands associated with the Premier League. 

    I actually think it would for me filter down to the England team and would end up turning my back on this as well naturally as I would find it hard to get any enjoyment out of watching premier league players playing. 

    I would still follow and enjoy Charlton in much the same way unless B teams was ever introduced and then for me I think that would be it. 

    I am already in this space. No Sky, dont remember when i last watched MoTD.  It just does not interest me.  Have always said the day Charlton first team get drawn to Palace U23’s in the tinpot cup is the day I give up football forever.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,725
    Let them breakaway to a Euro Super League. And, when they come crying back when it all goes tits up, tell them to fuck off.
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,219
    Or they start at the bottom of the pyramid.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Rothko said:
    Big fan of Relegation play offs 
    They’re effectively trying to stop relegation. It’s quite clear. Two less clubs to share more money.
  • YTS1978
    YTS1978 Posts: 1,700
    pettgra said:
    As an aside the Manchester City CEO said he would like the EFL restructured to include Premier League B Teams.
    He is not happy with overseas teams buying stockpiled players on the cheap.
    Premiership clubs were quite happy to introduce the Elite Performance structure whereby they can acquire fourteen year olds for virtually nothing. I am losing my love for football quite rapidly.
    The good old EPPP, written by our very own mr Ged Roddy!!! A true stitch up for EFL that brought in minimum payments for youngsters rather than compensation for their true or potential value! It was either that or nothing, so the efl had to accept it.
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  • pettgra
    pettgra Posts: 1,572
    YTS1978 said:
    pettgra said:
    As an aside the Manchester City CEO said he would like the EFL restructured to include Premier League B Teams.
    He is not happy with overseas teams buying stockpiled players on the cheap.
    Premiership clubs were quite happy to introduce the Elite Performance structure whereby they can acquire fourteen year olds for virtually nothing. I am losing my love for football quite rapidly.
    The good old EPPP, written by our very own mr Ged Roddy!!! A true stitch up for EFL that brought in minimum payments for youngsters rather than compensation for their true or potential value! It was either that or nothing, so the efl had to accept it.
    You are right, just a massive rip off.
  • The Guardian is a Manchester based paper, what is there in there for them not to like
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,894

    If the 'big 6' want it all their own way, even to the extent of blocking a takeover of another club by somebody mega rich who may displace them, then they should be ostracised by the rest of the clubs and told to go and form their own league - maybe team up with the other European elite and go and bore themselves to death together - lets see how an away match in Istanbul or Belgrade every other week suits. Leave the rest of us to form our own league without them.

     

  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    No surprise to me at all .. I have been predicting a 'Euro Super League; for the past 20 years. Something needs to to be happening as the pandemic will reap havoc upon British football unless there are major changes in the playing structure. DO NOT expect the big clubs to bale out the small clubs, that just will not happen.
     
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,894
    Football needs to take a step back - because prem clubs now have such a disproportionate amount of money they are now stockpiling young talent but don't have anywhere for them to play proper mens football, they want to create B teams to play in the lower divisions. The real solution is to apportion the money more fairly, re create the reserves leagues and do away with these ridiculous cups where u23 teams play against first teams. I will never go to a match like the one the other day where our first team is playing a brighton u23 side - ridiculous. I'll probably go to very few cup games now anyway until the whole attitude towards them changes - not interested in watching reserve football which is all it is now. Give the fa cup winner a champions league spot or restart the european cup winners cup or shut the whole thingh down. Sooner go and watch a park game than watch a match where both clubs are not putting their strongest sides out - its an insult to the fans.   
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,021
    I'm confused as to what 18 PL teams achieves other than pushing 2 League Two sides into non league and ruining their finances 
    It gives them four additional days without a league fixture. Whilst they'd probably argue that this will allow the players more recovery time thus improving the game, the truth is that they'll soon fill those dates up with lucrative foreign tours and exhibition matches, thus expanding their reach into areas where they've no business. 
  • JohnBoyUK
    JohnBoyUK Posts: 9,017
    Interesting listening to Rick Parry talking to Simon Jordan on Talksport earlier.  He said the PL offered the EFL 20% of the tv rights, way back at the formation of the PL but they turned it down.  Never realised that.

    I dont think 14 PL clubs would vote in favour of any restructuring of the PL anyhow.  Perhaps its a way of forcing the Government into a EFL bail out.

    Personally, I dont agree with reducing the teams in the PL to 18.  I can sort of see why the league cup would be scrapped but I'd rather those clubs involved in European competition are just exempt from it.  Having said that, I want Spurs to win the bloody thing this year.  Double-edgd sword.

    I'm all for a fairer distribution of tv monies but for how much longer will Sky/BT and the overseas providers be driving the income?

    IMHO, we're not far away from club tv season tickets.  Ignoring this abhorent £14.95 a game BS which has just been announced, clubs could easily sell a one off game for a fiver or £20pm model, sell it worldwide and make an absolute fortune.  It would only serve to drive up the likes of Sky/BT/Amazon/Netflix to offer even more money for the rights...and on it goes.

    If the clubs start controlling their IPR, their own tv rights, then how do you argue that the income made from it should be distributed further down the pyramid?  It opens up a huge can of worms.  It absolutely stinks.

    I dont agree with any of it, full stop.  I really dont.  Football is irrevocably fucked.

    (PS, can see Levy rubbing his hands together, with £ signs in his eyes, absolute weasel!)
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,914
    Top 6 should just fuck off and do what they want, don't let the door hit you on your way out. I've not watched a Premier league game or MOtD for at least 2 seasons now. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,211
    shine166 said:
    Top 6 should just fuck off and do what they want, don't let the door hit you on your way out. I've not watched a Premier league game or MOtD for at least 2 seasons now. 
    Not going to happen.

    They want their cake and to eat it too.

    They want fewer league games and no league cup, no charity shield etc just so they can play in the Premier League AND a European Super League at the same time.
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  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    Handing power over to nine clubs is a terrible idea.
  • A weird scenario when they have to create a completely artificial "Big 9" to try and justify the Big 6 power grab. Especially as it's based on current consecutive seasons in the PL, rather than historical ones. Indeed the next longest serving club is Palace, followed by Leicester and then Burnley...

    If it was done based on the 9 clubs who've been in the PL for the most number of seasons it would be

    6 ever presents - Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, United, Liverpool Everton
    26 seasons - Villa and Newcastle
    25 seasons - West Ham

    With City missing out as they've only been there for 24 season

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Premier_League_clubs
  • I’ve been advocating a shake up in English football for years but never did I believe that English football would be run by six clubs. 
  • The community (charity)shield is one game between two clubs, is that really a problem for them?
  • Ferryman
    Ferryman Posts: 2,921
    Scrap the Charity Shield? ONE game and the proceeds go to charity!
  • Didn't need anther reason to detest Liverpool, but this dogshit proposal and the odious Parry provide another two.
  • The community (charity)shield is one game between two clubs, is that really a problem for them?
    Ferryman said:
    Scrap the Charity Shield? ONE game and the proceeds go to charity!
    It's a game where the Premier League clubs (assuming that it's always a PL side that wins the FA Cup) don't control the money.

    If they can't control what happens to the dosh why should they play it is their thinking by the looks of things.

    In other words doing nothing to suggest that this proposal is self-serving, self-interest, and a massive f*** you to the rest of the English football system.

  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,671
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54505270 at least West Ham are against it, and they are 1 of the 9