Imagine being in the same league as Lincoln and then losing to them, embarrassing on both counts.
A few seasons ago saw them at Woking in the national League...that day we had Brighton away when lookman scored 2 in the opening minutes.....sums it up really.
As we all know this division does not respect anyone, you have to earn that respect and fight and finish as a team. After the week we have had its abit like after the lordmayor show.Things will take time to change this is the first step into a marathon not a 100yard sprint.
Last two seasons we somehow had strong starts despite all the off field issues. Was always likely to be a bridge too far to do it again this season. We are going to have to be patient as fans. Just need to be in touch with the top six by Christmas and then it’ll hopefully be all to play for as our side continues to bed in and we’re finally able to strengthen properly in January. Feels a long way off after a performance like today, but things can and regularly do change quickly in football.
That result was so so disappointing(1). Really can't see where the next win is coming from with this group of players(2). I know we are under embargo etc(3). but we should be doing better with players who last year were facing championship opposition(4). To make matters worse I now have to face the gloating from my neighbour and work colleague.... I need to avoid them for a while!
(1) Of course it is always disappointing to lose. (2) This will not be the same group of players over the season. (3) Embargo? Can I recommend you read the "Thomas Sandgaard" thread, in its entirety? (4) We are a significantly weaker side than the one that faced championship opposition last year.
Just seen the goals on SSN. Impossible to tell if it was offside but certainly appeared to go forward from a Lincoln player. Poor defending from Ben Watson for the second.
Imagine being in the same league as Lincoln and then losing to them, embarrassing on both counts.
A bit disrespectful to Lincoln City. The last time we played them they were in Div2 (Championship) .
They might well be this seasons Wycombe W, clubs shouldn't be rubbished because they are not fashionable.
Absolutely this. Lincoln are playing at the same level as us because they have earned the right to be in this division. It's early days yet, but with three straight wins they are doing rather better than us at the moment too. No reason for any embarrassment, it is what it is. Every reason for a better performance next time out, though.
The same disrespectful comments from people towards Lincoln are no doubt the same idiots who get offended when Championship clubs felt it was embarrasing when we were beating them last season!!
Levitt looks like a very good prospect. He, understandably, makes a few mistakes but he got some good ball winning challenges in and can pick a pass. I hope that doesn't lead to too many long balls, which were definitely overdone in the second half.
For Lincoln, Liam Bridcutt showed that he is still a very good player. Always hoped we might sign him after seeing him boss a game for Brighton at the Valley.
So, the answer to being 1-0 down is to bring on JFC.
Sorry, and I know I'm going to get pelters for this, but Bows had better start bucking up his ideas. Coming up we have 2 games against teams in the top 6. Could find ourselves in the bottom 4 by mid October......if not bottom !!!!
I will keep banging on about this until things change -
1) Need a striker with a scorers instinct. Washington is ok but Bonne can't cut the mustard.
2) Need to be able to come from a goal behind. So far nothings change from last season. Last 2 games we have been the better team from the start......but we dont score when we are on top & of course give the opposition half a chance & that's it. 1-0 down & we can't come back.
Maybe it's the optimist in me that's makes me not unduly worried at the moment. We need players in that's obvious and I'm sure they will arrive. Alot of positives for me. Barker, Levitt, both look good. JFC, Deji and Bonne just not up to it I'm afraid.
I have to admit, I was 100% Bowyer up until January. We have had things happen outside his control but that percentage has been dropping. Probably 70% at the moment. Hopefully some decent signings and we will get back on track. I thought his tactics when chasing today were crazy.
In 2011/12 when we won League 2 we had Wright-Phillips and Kermorgant up front.
In 2018/19, we had (until the end of January) Taylor and Grant up front.
This year we have got Bonne and Washington up front.
And that's why we are going nowhere this year.
Washington who has so far scored 2 in 3 championship games? He looked a hell of a lot more lively then Bonne today for sure.
Maybe if we bring some new players Bowyer will change the formation and the way we play - but currently you could have David Silva in the centre of the park but he won't do anything if he's sitting that deep all the time.
He also missed an absolute sitter early on today.
Neither Bonne or Washington will score the 15 goals we need from our strikers to mount a promotion push this year.
Just seen the goals on SSN. Impossible to tell if it was offside but certainly appeared to go forward from a Lincoln player. Poor defending from Ben Watson for the second.
It was poor from Watson for sure, but The error Oshilaja made to give to corner away is inexcusable. Pissed up Sunday league play from him.
In 2011/12 when we won League 2 we had Wright-Phillips and Kermorgant up front.
In 2018/19, we had (until the end of January) Taylor and Grant up front.
This year we have got Bonne and Washington up front.
And that's why we are going nowhere this year.
Washington who has so far scored 2 in 3 championship games? He looked a hell of a lot more lively then Bonne today for sure.
Maybe if we bring some new players Bowyer will change the formation and the way we play - but currently you could have David Silva in the centre of the park but he won't do anything if he's sitting that deep all the time.
He also missed an absolute sitter early on today.
Neither Bonne or Washington will score the 15 goals we need from our strikers to mount a promotion push this year.
Why was it a 'sitter'? I agree he should have probably hit the target, but it's not like he literally had to stand still and put the ball into an empty net.
In 2011/12 when we won League 2 we had Wright-Phillips and Kermorgant up front.
In 2018/19, we had (until the end of January) Taylor and Grant up front.
This year we have got Bonne and Washington up front.
And that's why we are going nowhere this year.
Washington who has so far scored 2 in 3 championship games? He looked a hell of a lot more lively then Bonne today for sure.
Maybe if we bring some new players Bowyer will change the formation and the way we play - but currently you could have David Silva in the centre of the park but he won't do anything if he's sitting that deep all the time.
He also missed an absolute sitter early on today.
Neither Bonne or Washington will score the 15 goals we need from our strikers to mount a promotion push this year.
Judging from Bowyer's quotes, he knows Bonne's not good enough and that we need a proper goalscorer. I'm relieved.
We were fine up until the goal, which should never have been given in a million years. Players looked like the world was against them when they came out second half.
But history shows it takes time to recover from a relegation - the habit of losing more than you win needs to be shaken and whether it's an excuse or not if you're relying on young players like Barker you've got a major squad issue. Too many players lacking form and no depth to change it up. We'll be OK, just need to be patient.
In 2011/12 when we won League 2 we had Wright-Phillips and Kermorgant up front.
In 2018/19, we had (until the end of January) Taylor and Grant up front.
This year we have got Bonne and Washington up front.
And that's why we are going nowhere this year.
Washington who has so far scored 2 in 3 championship games? He looked a hell of a lot more lively then Bonne today for sure.
Maybe if we bring some new players Bowyer will change the formation and the way we play - but currently you could have David Silva in the centre of the park but he won't do anything if he's sitting that deep all the time.
He also missed an absolute sitter early on today.
Neither Bonne or Washington will score the 15 goals we need from our strikers to mount a promotion push this year.
Judging from Bowyer's quotes, he knows Bonne's not good enough and that we need a proper goalscorer. I'm relieved.
I have seen enough of Bonne playing well in the Championship to think he is good enough. Maybe we need different sort of threats and better quality from others to get him playing like he can.
I know Bowyer will say “We didn’t take our chances we could’ve been 2 or 3 up first half,” but he says that too much. We just got soundly beaten by a league two side.
The first half was decent but it was fairly obvious from about 55 minutes that we were never going to score. We never even tested their goalkeeper.
Once again we lacked any attacking fluency, shape or ideas. Everything breaks down in the final third or we’re just swinging crosses in to… who… Who do we have that’s good in the air? At one point they were going in to Oztumer! What exactly is our system of play?
Even Lincoln looked better going forward.
Upfront we are woeful. Playing Bonne is like playing with 10 men. If he’s not tapping them in then his contribution is zero. He doesn’t even bother to close defenders down. Last season looks like a flash in the pan. Take the money.
As a unit we just look disjointed. A bunch of random players thrown together with no system in mind. If Bowyer says we need 7 new players, we don’t need squad players, we need first team players. This team isn’t good enough to get out of league one. It’s not even better than the last team to get out of league one. Not even in the same world.
The two shining lights were Levitt, who was brilliant and Famewo, who looked solid.
A lot needs to change and quickly.
great post and I will add (controversially ?) that Bowyer needs to calm down. Easy to say, but to, expend so much energy and passion at slagging off the officials does not serve the team well .. we controlled the 1st half and yet again conceded just before a break or the end of a game. Irrespective of the rights or wrongs, I don't get how we went from being terrific to rubbish after the break. It could be that during the break too much attention was paid to bemoaning our fate and not enough on refining tactics and trying to ensure we kept up the pressure and kept playing our football. We could have done with bringing on Davison in the second half and not with just replacing the midfield. Oztumer and Oshilaja ? just not good enough i m o .. Bonne ?.. looks disinterested, Washington ?.. please just take it easy and don't panic. Even so, we still have the makings of a team
THE BRIGHT SIDE ? .. we now have certainty off the field and hopefully there will be money to spend on good players. We need hard working consistent footballers, nothing/nobody too flash. There are bargains out there. Lincoln's terrific new central defender was discovered playing in the Dutch lower leagues and was a cheap buy, their left back is 17 years old, younger than Barker, Jones came from Crewe, etc. etc. The season is brand new and we will be in the promotion chase so long as we play like we did in the 1st half and don't revert to a disheartened rubbish rabble after going one down however controversial the circumstances.
We lost to a doubly dubious first half goal and a stupid error by Oshilaja. If he hadn't made that error he wouldn't be getting the pelters he's been getting, both on this and on the match thread. We missed a few chances in the first half and created too little in the second, and that was disappointing.
The defence looked much better this week but why wasn't our tallest man marking their main danger man for the second? I suppose that's one of the problems with having a makeshift defence, which we did again after Fanewo came off. He didn't look knackered to me and I do get the impression that Bowyer decides his substitutions before the game's even started.
Bonne had several games last season where he didn't look ready but he managed a decent strike rate. Let's hope he can start scoring a few.
Overall disappointing but I've seen a lot worse.
Friday's euphoria is over. Now we're back to reality.
This is just my opinion..... but he never looks like he is in control of a situation. Simple back pass today and he made a hash of it - it’s basic stuff for a player of any level. He has been pretty poor in at least half the games he has played for us. Couple of young players in the back 4 today - We need a centre back to be marshalling them and sowing their experience. He isn’t up to it. Him and a Purrington need to be replaced...and quickly.
In 2011/12 when we won League 2 we had Wright-Phillips and Kermorgant up front.
In 2018/19, we had (until the end of January) Taylor and Grant up front.
This year we have got Bonne and Washington up front.
And that's why we are going nowhere this year.
Washington who has so far scored 2 in 3 championship games? He looked a hell of a lot more lively then Bonne today for sure.
Maybe if we bring some new players Bowyer will change the formation and the way we play - but currently you could have David Silva in the centre of the park but he won't do anything if he's sitting that deep all the time.
He also missed an absolute sitter early on today.
Neither Bonne or Washington will score the 15 goals we need from our strikers to mount a promotion push this year.
Judging from Bowyer's quotes, he knows Bonne's not good enough and that we need a proper goalscorer. I'm relieved.
I have seen enough of Bonne playing well in the Championship to think he is good enough. Maybe we need different sort of threats and better quality from others to get him playing like he can.
I don't think he is, and Bowyer sees him in training as well and clearly doesn't have faith in him to get the goals we need.
Re: his good season, remember Marcus Stewart in the Prem?
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Washington's effort went wide, three / four efforts got deflected away from goal including one that went dribbling past an open goal
Another day (even potentially against us) and those deflections go in
I am sure Bowyer and the staff will be able to get us out of this league this season or certainly next.
(2) This will not be the same group of players over the season.
(3) Embargo? Can I recommend you read the "Thomas Sandgaard" thread, in its entirety?
(4) We are a significantly weaker side than the one that faced championship opposition last year.
Poor defending from Ben Watson for the second.
For Lincoln, Liam Bridcutt showed that he is still a very good player. Always hoped we might sign him after seeing him boss a game for Brighton at the Valley.
Sorry, and I know I'm going to get pelters for this, but Bows had better start bucking up his ideas. Coming up we have 2 games against teams in the top 6. Could find ourselves in the bottom 4 by mid October......if not bottom !!!!
I will keep banging on about this until things change -
1) Need a striker with a scorers instinct. Washington is ok but Bonne can't cut the mustard.
2) Need to be able to come from a goal behind. So far nothings change from last season. Last 2 games we have been the better team from the start......but we dont score when we are on top & of course give the opposition half a chance & that's it. 1-0 down & we can't come back.
Its doing my fucking head in.
Neither Bonne or Washington will score the 15 goals we need from our strikers to mount a promotion push this year.
But history shows it takes time to recover from a relegation - the habit of losing more than you win needs to be shaken and whether it's an excuse or not if you're relying on young players like Barker you've got a major squad issue. Too many players lacking form and no depth to change it up. We'll be OK, just need to be patient.
We could have done with bringing on Davison in the second half and not with just replacing the midfield. Oztumer and Oshilaja ? just not good enough i m o .. Bonne ?.. looks disinterested, Washington ?.. please just take it easy and don't panic. Even so, we still have the makings of a team
THE BRIGHT SIDE ? .. we now have certainty off the field and hopefully there will be money to spend on good players. We need hard working consistent footballers, nothing/nobody too flash. There are bargains out there. Lincoln's terrific new central defender was discovered playing in the Dutch lower leagues and was a cheap buy, their left back is 17 years old, younger than Barker, Jones came from Crewe, etc. etc.
The season is brand new and we will be in the promotion chase so long as we play like we did in the 1st half and don't revert to a disheartened rubbish rabble after going one down however controversial the circumstances.
- it’s basic stuff for a player of any level. He has been pretty poor in at least half the games he has played for us. Couple of young players in the back 4 today - We need a centre back to be marshalling them and sowing their experience. He isn’t up to it. Him and a Purrington need to be replaced...and quickly.
Re: his good season, remember Marcus Stewart in the Prem?