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NoMuttleyCAFC said:The problem for Wigan if I understand how it works is not only are they now adrift at the bottom, but if they save themselves, which they are capable of doing, they get deducted the points next season. Is that correct?
The whole point of rolling the points to next season is to stop a team stranded in the relegation places, getting a "free" 12 point hit. That won't apply to Wigan unless they get no more points this season and several teams overtake them.0 -
No, if they finish in the bottom 3 (before points are deducted) they’ll get 12 points deducted next season.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem for Wigan if I understand how it works is not only are they now adrift at the bottom, but if they save themselves, which they are capable of doing, they get deducted the points next season. Is that correct?0 -
No. Unless they finish in the relegation zone regardless of any deduction (unlikely) they will be docked 12 points.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem for Wigan if I understand how it works is not only are they now adrift at the bottom, but if they save themselves, which they are capable of doing, they get deducted the points next season. Is that correct?0 -
I agree it's a farce but how do the EFL test that they won't change thier mind?MrLargo said:Sky Sports News speaking to one of the administrators. He said it's a well run club, on the pitch and off. They were taken over 4 weeks ago and are now in administration because "the new owner has decided he doesn't want to continue funding the business".
WTF. How the f*ck?! So EFL approves the deal, new owner loses interest/has a change of heart - 88 year old club's future in jeopardy, jobs in jeopardy, probably going to be relegated. Unbelievable.
Why are we even going through the charade of this Fit and proper Persons Test? So angry hearing this. And we all know this could so easily be our club next. Absolutely farcical.
The biggest problem is the clubs ALL need owner funding to survive. Solve that and everything else either falls into place or becomes irrelevant.1 -
In theory yes but not at the earliest until 2021 when it first comes to court and realistically not even then as firms are usually given time to pay.DoctorCharlton said:That email/letter that got leaked the other week with the £90k we owed in legals or whatever it was... that wasn't a genuine threat and just another Southall pointless leak?
Something like that could force club into admin if not paid, could it?
I'm honestly not clued up at all on this subject.
More importantly the firm has to prove it's a valid debt, which imho it isn't.
Ditto Southall's consultancy.
The unknown owners pulling the plug is a more dangerous and more immediate risk imho but so far dodgy and unknown as they are they have paid the bills and also have potential buyers in Barclay/Varney.6 -
EFL & management of change of ownership is not fit for purpose.1
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In a statement, the EFL said: "The EFL is awaiting formal notification from the administrators and once the league has received this it will commence discussions with the relevant individuals with the aim of achieving a long-term future for the club."
Jeez, they've got some brass neck at the EFL.
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Luton and Barnsley are in good form but at some point soon the nerves will start to jangle for all the relegation threatened teams. One dodgy result could be a disaster. I still think it’s literally any three from eight now that Wigan are going to be deducted.1
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No, if they don't finish in the relegation zone, points are deducted and they potentially go down. If they finish in the relegation zone... the deduction rolls over to next season.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem for Wigan if I understand how it works is not only are they now adrift at the bottom, but if they save themselves, which they are capable of doing, they get deducted the points next season. Is that correct?0 -
It does make you appreciate a bit more what Chris Parkes used to say about how Roland always paid the bills. He absolutely hated us but even he didn't just decide he couldn't be arsed to keep people in jobs and pull all his cash out. Roland is in no way a good bloke, and he's still wanting repaying for all the money he ever put in, but just deciding you don't fancy paying for a club you agreed to take on and walking away is the lowest of the low.
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I was taking it as a given that they won't finish in the bottom three without a deduction.0
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Hopefully that Gomez clause is true, because I can't see us finding £1.5m without it.johnny73 said:
If we stay up we have to pay Duche 1.5million.DoctorCharlton said:johnny73 said:
You would think our owners would want to bank the income from EFL and players sales first. Send the money out as consultancy fees, perhaps agreed payments to former club owners (Nimer / Southall) etc. Then go into admin when Duche comes calling for his 1.5 million.DoctorCharlton said:
Do you think there is a chance we could enter administration this season, same as Wigan?Sage said:Horrible for any club and goes to show it can happen to any club below the Premier League completely out of the blue.
We have to be so careful that this doesn’t happen to us, as we all know it’s a very real possibility.
In terms of survival hopes, it does make it seem as though if we get to 52 points, that will surely be enough now.
Wigan’s form has been incredible, luckily for them it has, otherwise they’d be gone now. However, I don’t believe they’ll carry on this form as good as they have been. They may still do well, but they’ll drop points along the way, especially with the quick turnaround in games.That means if we get to 52, that should be enough. That’s a hell of an ask for teams below us to get more than that, and for Wigan to get more 64 or more points.
That's a cynical view if they can't find a legit buyer.Sorry mate I must've missed this, what £1.5m are you referring to?
Again anyone please correct me if I have this wrong.
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But then I assume Roland wouldn't put the club into administration to reclaim the £1.5m, I can't see how that would benefit himDoctorCharlton said:
Hopefully that Gomez clause is true, because I can't see us finding £1.5m without it.johnny73 said:
If we stay up we have to pay Duche 1.5million.DoctorCharlton said:johnny73 said:
You would think our owners would want to bank the income from EFL and players sales first. Send the money out as consultancy fees, perhaps agreed payments to former club owners (Nimer / Southall) etc. Then go into admin when Duche comes calling for his 1.5 million.DoctorCharlton said:
Do you think there is a chance we could enter administration this season, same as Wigan?Sage said:Horrible for any club and goes to show it can happen to any club below the Premier League completely out of the blue.
We have to be so careful that this doesn’t happen to us, as we all know it’s a very real possibility.
In terms of survival hopes, it does make it seem as though if we get to 52 points, that will surely be enough now.
Wigan’s form has been incredible, luckily for them it has, otherwise they’d be gone now. However, I don’t believe they’ll carry on this form as good as they have been. They may still do well, but they’ll drop points along the way, especially with the quick turnaround in games.That means if we get to 52, that should be enough. That’s a hell of an ask for teams below us to get more than that, and for Wigan to get more 64 or more points.
That's a cynical view if they can't find a legit buyer.Sorry mate I must've missed this, what £1.5m are you referring to?
Again anyone please correct me if I have this wrong.
If anything I wonder if there is a clause in which ownership reverts to him if ESI don't pay the money?0 -
You’ve got to remember that teams at the bottom are all playing each other so they all can’t win.Cafc43v3r said:
I would normally say its impossible but everyone is picking up points, not just draws, winning games.Sage said:
With Wigan heading for safety before this, they’ve now effectively got 38 points.Cafc43v3r said:
I think 1 team will go down with 52, or more points.Sage said:Horrible for any club and goes to show it can happen to any club below the Premier League completely out of the blue.
We have to be so careful that this doesn’t happen to us, as we all know it’s a very real possibility.
In terms of survival hopes, it does make it seem as though if we get to 52 points, that will surely be enough now.
Wigan’s form has been incredible, luckily for them it has, otherwise they’d be gone now. However, I don’t believe they’ll carry on this form as good as they have been. They may still do well, but they’ll drop points along the way, especially with the quick turnaround in games.That means if we get to 52, that should be enough. That’s a hell of an ask for teams below us to get more than that, and for Wigan to get more 64 or more points.
Bottom 6 is therefore:
Stoke 43
Hull 42
Huddersfield 42
Barnsley 41
Luton 40
Wigan 38
Therefore, you’re saying that 4 of them, plus Middlesbrough on 44 and us on 46, will get more than 52 points? That’s a hell of an ask.
That’s why I believe 52 now will be enough.
If Birmingham loose tonight but win at the weekend they won't be safe yet. Win tonight and loose at the weekend however they probably will be.
Do you think 2 wins will make us safe? I don't.
There will be points dropped along the way.
With a team finishing on 52 points and still going down, you’re asking everyone else at the bottom in this fight to go on promotion form for the rest of the season. That just won’t happen.
There will be twists and turns, teams will win games but relegation on 52 is now less of a probability.
In terms of teams playing each other at the bottom of the league:
Wigan have been on amazing form but effectively have 38 points now. They’ve got to play QPR, Barnsley, Hull, and us.
Luton have got to play Reading, Barnsley, Huddersfield, QPR, and Hull.
Barnsley have got to play Stoke, Luton, and Wigan.
Huddersfield have got to play Birmingham, Reading, and Luton.
Hull have got to play Middlesbrough, Wigan, and Luton.
Stoke have got to play Barnsley and Birmingham.
Middlesbrough have got to play Hull, QPR, and Reading, with Wednesday on the final game of the season.
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The point I am making is, there are around 16 fixtures of teams at the bottom playing each other which means there are going to be plenty of points dropped, making it extremely difficult for 6 of the bottom 8 teams to get 52 points or more.
Overall, yes, I believe if we win another 2 games we will stay up.16 -
already been said I believe that the central payments in the championship will easily cover the 1.5million to Roland.DoctorCharlton said:
Hopefully that Gomez clause is true, because I can't see us finding £1.5m without it.johnny73 said:
If we stay up we have to pay Duche 1.5million.DoctorCharlton said:johnny73 said:
You would think our owners would want to bank the income from EFL and players sales first. Send the money out as consultancy fees, perhaps agreed payments to former club owners (Nimer / Southall) etc. Then go into admin when Duche comes calling for his 1.5 million.DoctorCharlton said:
Do you think there is a chance we could enter administration this season, same as Wigan?Sage said:Horrible for any club and goes to show it can happen to any club below the Premier League completely out of the blue.
We have to be so careful that this doesn’t happen to us, as we all know it’s a very real possibility.
In terms of survival hopes, it does make it seem as though if we get to 52 points, that will surely be enough now.
Wigan’s form has been incredible, luckily for them it has, otherwise they’d be gone now. However, I don’t believe they’ll carry on this form as good as they have been. They may still do well, but they’ll drop points along the way, especially with the quick turnaround in games.That means if we get to 52, that should be enough. That’s a hell of an ask for teams below us to get more than that, and for Wigan to get more 64 or more points.
That's a cynical view if they can't find a legit buyer.Sorry mate I must've missed this, what £1.5m are you referring to?
Again anyone please correct me if I have this wrong.1 -
I think the total needed will be between 49 and 51. It is understandable to worry we will need more, especially when some teams are putting up a fight but as has been said there are a lot of games where points have to be dropped by somebody and enough teams down there to expect not all of them will show automatic promotion form.Sage said:
You’ve got to remember that teams at the bottom are all playing each other so they all can’t win.Cafc43v3r said:
I would normally say its impossible but everyone is picking up points, not just draws, winning games.Sage said:
With Wigan heading for safety before this, they’ve now effectively got 38 points.Cafc43v3r said:
I think 1 team will go down with 52, or more points.Sage said:Horrible for any club and goes to show it can happen to any club below the Premier League completely out of the blue.
We have to be so careful that this doesn’t happen to us, as we all know it’s a very real possibility.
In terms of survival hopes, it does make it seem as though if we get to 52 points, that will surely be enough now.
Wigan’s form has been incredible, luckily for them it has, otherwise they’d be gone now. However, I don’t believe they’ll carry on this form as good as they have been. They may still do well, but they’ll drop points along the way, especially with the quick turnaround in games.That means if we get to 52, that should be enough. That’s a hell of an ask for teams below us to get more than that, and for Wigan to get more 64 or more points.
Bottom 6 is therefore:
Stoke 43
Hull 42
Huddersfield 42
Barnsley 41
Luton 40
Wigan 38
Therefore, you’re saying that 4 of them, plus Middlesbrough on 44 and us on 46, will get more than 52 points? That’s a hell of an ask.
That’s why I believe 52 now will be enough.
If Birmingham loose tonight but win at the weekend they won't be safe yet. Win tonight and loose at the weekend however they probably will be.
Do you think 2 wins will make us safe? I don't.
There will be points dropped along the way.
With a team finishing on 52 points and still going down, you’re asking everyone else at the bottom in this fight to go on promotion form for the rest of the season. That just won’t happen.
There will be twists and turns, teams will win games but relegation on 52 is now less of a probability.
In terms of teams playing each other at the bottom of the league:
Wigan have been on amazing form but effectively have 38 points now. They’ve got to play QPR, Barnsley, Hull, and us.
Luton have got to play Reading, Barnsley, Huddersfield, QPR, and Hull.
Barnsley have got to play Stoke, Luton, and Wigan.
Huddersfield have got to play Birmingham, Reading, and Luton.
Hull have got to play Middlesbrough, Wigan, and Luton.
Stoke have got to play Barnsley and Birmingham.
Middlesbrough have got to play Hull, QPR, and Reading, with Wednesday on the final game of the season.
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The point I am making is, there are around 16 fixtures of teams at the bottom playing each other which means there are going to be plenty of points dropped, making it extremely difficult for 6 of the bottom 8 teams to get 52 points or more.
Overall, yes, I believe if we win another 2 games we will stay up.0 -
So the Wigan mob who own them now have spent £15-£40m(can’t be bothered to re read guff again) and are just chucking it in Cos running costs too high and football is just a black hole
seriously as I have said all along , who in their right mind would own a football club , what are these clowns at ESI up to3 -
Don't think he'd have thought twice about pulling the plug on funding if he didn't think he could recoup all his money from flogging the stadium. He kept paying the bills because it was in his interests to do so. If he gave one solitary toss about the wellbeing of his staff then he would have paid the bonuses he promised.Garrymanilow said:It does make you appreciate a bit more what Chris Parkes used to say about how Roland always paid the bills. He absolutely hated us but even he didn't just decide he couldn't be arsed to keep people in jobs and pull all his cash out. Roland is in no way a good bloke, and he's still wanting repaying for all the money he ever put in, but just deciding you don't fancy paying for a club you agreed to take on and walking away is the lowest of the low.13 -
You have to feel sorry for Paul Cook and his players. They have done so well to guide themself away from the drop zone since the start of the year to get the rug pulled away from them.
I do wonder if this will knock them and they will struggle again.2 -
5 points will be enough.Sage said:
You’ve got to remember that teams at the bottom are all playing each other so they all can’t win.Cafc43v3r said:
I would normally say its impossible but everyone is picking up points, not just draws, winning games.Sage said:
With Wigan heading for safety before this, they’ve now effectively got 38 points.Cafc43v3r said:
I think 1 team will go down with 52, or more points.Sage said:Horrible for any club and goes to show it can happen to any club below the Premier League completely out of the blue.
We have to be so careful that this doesn’t happen to us, as we all know it’s a very real possibility.
In terms of survival hopes, it does make it seem as though if we get to 52 points, that will surely be enough now.
Wigan’s form has been incredible, luckily for them it has, otherwise they’d be gone now. However, I don’t believe they’ll carry on this form as good as they have been. They may still do well, but they’ll drop points along the way, especially with the quick turnaround in games.That means if we get to 52, that should be enough. That’s a hell of an ask for teams below us to get more than that, and for Wigan to get more 64 or more points.
Bottom 6 is therefore:
Stoke 43
Hull 42
Huddersfield 42
Barnsley 41
Luton 40
Wigan 38
Therefore, you’re saying that 4 of them, plus Middlesbrough on 44 and us on 46, will get more than 52 points? That’s a hell of an ask.
That’s why I believe 52 now will be enough.
If Birmingham loose tonight but win at the weekend they won't be safe yet. Win tonight and loose at the weekend however they probably will be.
Do you think 2 wins will make us safe? I don't.
There will be points dropped along the way.
With a team finishing on 52 points and still going down, you’re asking everyone else at the bottom in this fight to go on promotion form for the rest of the season. That just won’t happen.
There will be twists and turns, teams will win games but relegation on 52 is now less of a probability.
In terms of teams playing each other at the bottom of the league:
Wigan have been on amazing form but effectively have 38 points now. They’ve got to play QPR, Barnsley, Hull, and us.
Luton have got to play Reading, Barnsley, Huddersfield, QPR, and Hull.
Barnsley have got to play Stoke, Luton, and Wigan.
Huddersfield have got to play Birmingham, Reading, and Luton.
Hull have got to play Middlesbrough, Wigan, and Luton.
Stoke have got to play Barnsley and Birmingham.
Middlesbrough have got to play Hull, QPR, and Reading, with Wednesday on the final game of the season.
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The point I am making is, there are around 16 fixtures of teams at the bottom playing each other which means there are going to be plenty of points dropped, making it extremely difficult for 6 of the bottom 8 teams to get 52 points or more.
Overall, yes, I believe if we win another 2 games we will stay up.2 - Sponsored links:
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Thank you, I must've missed that.roseandcrown said:
already been said I believe that the central payments in the championship will easily cover the 1.5million to Roland.DoctorCharlton said:
Hopefully that Gomez clause is true, because I can't see us finding £1.5m without it.johnny73 said:
If we stay up we have to pay Duche 1.5million.DoctorCharlton said:johnny73 said:
You would think our owners would want to bank the income from EFL and players sales first. Send the money out as consultancy fees, perhaps agreed payments to former club owners (Nimer / Southall) etc. Then go into admin when Duche comes calling for his 1.5 million.DoctorCharlton said:
Do you think there is a chance we could enter administration this season, same as Wigan?Sage said:Horrible for any club and goes to show it can happen to any club below the Premier League completely out of the blue.
We have to be so careful that this doesn’t happen to us, as we all know it’s a very real possibility.
In terms of survival hopes, it does make it seem as though if we get to 52 points, that will surely be enough now.
Wigan’s form has been incredible, luckily for them it has, otherwise they’d be gone now. However, I don’t believe they’ll carry on this form as good as they have been. They may still do well, but they’ll drop points along the way, especially with the quick turnaround in games.That means if we get to 52, that should be enough. That’s a hell of an ask for teams below us to get more than that, and for Wigan to get more 64 or more points.
That's a cynical view if they can't find a legit buyer.Sorry mate I must've missed this, what £1.5m are you referring to?
Again anyone please correct me if I have this wrong.
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If Wigan are relegated then the 12 point deduction would take place next season in L1.shine166 said:
No, if they don't finish in the relegation zone, points are deducted and they potentially go down. If they finish in the relegation zone... the deduction rolls over to next season.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem for Wigan if I understand how it works is not only are they now adrift at the bottom, but if they save themselves, which they are capable of doing, they get deducted the points next season. Is that correct?
If Wigan are not relegated, they will be deducted 12 points at the end of the season, which may or may not result in relegation.
I think Wigan could appeal under force majeure.0 -
We have so far just heard of the handful of cases that have hit national headlines. If you delve into the local press reporting for many clubs I think you'll find plenty more horror stories there bubbling away. A lot of clubs probably have convoluted and indebted ownership structures right through the pyramid. For example, take any club and see what you can find. (A quick research on each of Bristol Rovers, Swindon, and Oxford, shows recent issues that likely undermine any confidence in their medium term stabilities)ForeverAddickted said:Thats happened very quietly!!... Didnt realise that Wigan were being ran that badly
Then consider the current economic/ social climate and being 'run badly' is overtaken by bigger risk factors. We are seeing extraneous forces in play now, i.e. coronovirus, and possibly Hong Kong politics in the case of Wigan.
Ordinarily, once costs exceed revenue and funding is squeezed or withdrawn, and creditors get restless, the financial health of any club could spiral downwards. The virus has accentuated matters no doubt. Lots more bad news to come. The efl is going to be overwhelmed if they weren't already.
In recent times, our own and Wigan's experience to name just 2, tells us a recent takeover is also a high risk factor.
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It's really not that difficult. There's all sorts of requirements that could be applied to new owners. You could make new owners provide the EFL with a ring-fenced bond sufficient to cover the club's outgoings for 6 months/a year/ however long, in the event that the new owner is no longer able to fund them. That would prevent the likes of Southall and Lawrence Bassini from getting involved when they haven't actually got any money, and would deter the likes of the new Wigan owner who has just decided on a whim that he can't be bothered to pay the wages anymore.Cafc43v3r said:
I agree it's a farce but how do the EFL test that they won't change thier mind?MrLargo said:Sky Sports News speaking to one of the administrators. He said it's a well run club, on the pitch and off. They were taken over 4 weeks ago and are now in administration because "the new owner has decided he doesn't want to continue funding the business".
WTF. How the f*ck?! So EFL approves the deal, new owner loses interest/has a change of heart - 88 year old club's future in jeopardy, jobs in jeopardy, probably going to be relegated. Unbelievable.
Why are we even going through the charade of this Fit and proper Persons Test? So angry hearing this. And we all know this could so easily be our club next. Absolutely farcical.
The biggest problem is the clubs ALL need owner funding to survive. Solve that and everything else either falls into place or becomes irrelevant.
Travel companies have to provide a bond in order to get an ATOL Licence, airlines have to demonstrate that they have sufficient funding to operate for three months without any income, and have to provide a detailed funding plan for the first two years of operation. All of this could be applied to football club owners.
The main problem, in my opinion, is that changes such as the above need to be voted on by members, and their are now so many cowboys involved that voting for proper regulation would be like turkeys voting for Christmas.
The government needs to get involved in this.17 -
There was nothing from the administrator speaking on Sky Sports that suggested they'd be appealing.Covered End said:
If Wigan are relegated then the 12 point deduction would take place next season in L1.shine166 said:
No, if they don't finish in the relegation zone, points are deducted and they potentially go down. If they finish in the relegation zone... the deduction rolls over to next season.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem for Wigan if I understand how it works is not only are they now adrift at the bottom, but if they save themselves, which they are capable of doing, they get deducted the points next season. Is that correct?
If Wigan are not relegated, they will be deducted 12 points at the end of the season, which may or may not result in relegation.
I think Wigan could appeal under force majeure.
What would be their grounds for appeal? Their new Hong Kong-based investor wasn't aware that football clubs were losing money hand-over-fist because of a global pandemic that originated in China?!0 -
NO.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem for Wigan if I understand how it works is not only are they now adrift at the bottom, but if they save themselves, which they are capable of doing, they get deducted the points next season. Is that correct?
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I'm 99% certain 52 points would keep us up, with our goal difference.Sage said:
You’ve got to remember that teams at the bottom are all playing each other so they all can’t win.Cafc43v3r said:
I would normally say its impossible but everyone is picking up points, not just draws, winning games.Sage said:
With Wigan heading for safety before this, they’ve now effectively got 38 points.Cafc43v3r said:
I think 1 team will go down with 52, or more points.Sage said:Horrible for any club and goes to show it can happen to any club below the Premier League completely out of the blue.
We have to be so careful that this doesn’t happen to us, as we all know it’s a very real possibility.
In terms of survival hopes, it does make it seem as though if we get to 52 points, that will surely be enough now.
Wigan’s form has been incredible, luckily for them it has, otherwise they’d be gone now. However, I don’t believe they’ll carry on this form as good as they have been. They may still do well, but they’ll drop points along the way, especially with the quick turnaround in games.That means if we get to 52, that should be enough. That’s a hell of an ask for teams below us to get more than that, and for Wigan to get more 64 or more points.
Bottom 6 is therefore:
Stoke 43
Hull 42
Huddersfield 42
Barnsley 41
Luton 40
Wigan 38
Therefore, you’re saying that 4 of them, plus Middlesbrough on 44 and us on 46, will get more than 52 points? That’s a hell of an ask.
That’s why I believe 52 now will be enough.
If Birmingham loose tonight but win at the weekend they won't be safe yet. Win tonight and loose at the weekend however they probably will be.
Do you think 2 wins will make us safe? I don't.
There will be points dropped along the way.
With a team finishing on 52 points and still going down, you’re asking everyone else at the bottom in this fight to go on promotion form for the rest of the season. That just won’t happen.
There will be twists and turns, teams will win games but relegation on 52 is now less of a probability.
In terms of teams playing each other at the bottom of the league:
Wigan have been on amazing form but effectively have 38 points now. They’ve got to play QPR, Barnsley, Hull, and us.
Luton have got to play Reading, Barnsley, Huddersfield, QPR, and Hull.
Barnsley have got to play Stoke, Luton, and Wigan.
Huddersfield have got to play Birmingham, Reading, and Luton.
Hull have got to play Middlesbrough, Wigan, and Luton.
Stoke have got to play Barnsley and Birmingham.
Middlesbrough have got to play Hull, QPR, and Reading, with Wednesday on the final game of the season.
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The point I am making is, there are around 16 fixtures of teams at the bottom playing each other which means there are going to be plenty of points dropped, making it extremely difficult for 6 of the bottom 8 teams to get 52 points or more.
Overall, yes, I believe if we win another 2 games we will stay up.
I'm 90% confident 51 would as well.0 -
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The tricky scenario is if 2 of the sides below us collapse completely (e.g. Stoke and Hull), losing all the 6 pointers, with the rest of the teams playing well AND all the 6 pointers between them resulting in wins for one of the sides. You could end up with 2 relegated teams in the mid 40s with the next 5 teams all bunched around say the 52/53 point mark.Sage said:
You’ve got to remember that teams at the bottom are all playing each other so they all can’t win.Cafc43v3r said:
I would normally say its impossible but everyone is picking up points, not just draws, winning games.Sage said:
With Wigan heading for safety before this, they’ve now effectively got 38 points.Cafc43v3r said:
I think 1 team will go down with 52, or more points.Sage said:Horrible for any club and goes to show it can happen to any club below the Premier League completely out of the blue.
We have to be so careful that this doesn’t happen to us, as we all know it’s a very real possibility.
In terms of survival hopes, it does make it seem as though if we get to 52 points, that will surely be enough now.
Wigan’s form has been incredible, luckily for them it has, otherwise they’d be gone now. However, I don’t believe they’ll carry on this form as good as they have been. They may still do well, but they’ll drop points along the way, especially with the quick turnaround in games.That means if we get to 52, that should be enough. That’s a hell of an ask for teams below us to get more than that, and for Wigan to get more 64 or more points.
Bottom 6 is therefore:
Stoke 43
Hull 42
Huddersfield 42
Barnsley 41
Luton 40
Wigan 38
Therefore, you’re saying that 4 of them, plus Middlesbrough on 44 and us on 46, will get more than 52 points? That’s a hell of an ask.
That’s why I believe 52 now will be enough.
If Birmingham loose tonight but win at the weekend they won't be safe yet. Win tonight and loose at the weekend however they probably will be.
Do you think 2 wins will make us safe? I don't.
There will be points dropped along the way.
With a team finishing on 52 points and still going down, you’re asking everyone else at the bottom in this fight to go on promotion form for the rest of the season. That just won’t happen.
There will be twists and turns, teams will win games but relegation on 52 is now less of a probability.
In terms of teams playing each other at the bottom of the league:
Wigan have been on amazing form but effectively have 38 points now. They’ve got to play QPR, Barnsley, Hull, and us.
Luton have got to play Reading, Barnsley, Huddersfield, QPR, and Hull.
Barnsley have got to play Stoke, Luton, and Wigan.
Huddersfield have got to play Birmingham, Reading, and Luton.
Hull have got to play Middlesbrough, Wigan, and Luton.
Stoke have got to play Barnsley and Birmingham.
Middlesbrough have got to play Hull, QPR, and Reading, with Wednesday on the final game of the season.
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The point I am making is, there are around 16 fixtures of teams at the bottom playing each other which means there are going to be plenty of points dropped, making it extremely difficult for 6 of the bottom 8 teams to get 52 points or more.
Overall, yes, I believe if we win another 2 games we will stay up.
Unlikely, but possible. Say Luton win 4, draw 1 and lose to Barnsley, Barnsley win 4 and lose 2 to Wigan and Brentford. That would leave both on 53 points
Wigan win 5 matches, that would leave them on 65-12 = 53
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The EFL are actually the very clubs that are going bust and breaking the rules. It's like complaining to a bunch of criminals for not stopping themselves breaking the law!ForeverAddickted said:Ridiculous in a way that relegation from the Championship this season could actually be decided by points deductions rather than anything on the field
Sheffield Wednesday | Wigan will probably get them whilst we may join them based on our owners
Add Bolton into the mix and Macclesfield in League Two then you've got nearly all Divisions (of course the last mentioned didnt get relegated) that have been decided this way
EFL WAKE THE HELL UP!!!
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