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  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,233
    edited March 2020
    oohaahmortimer said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    Form guide of previous games: 

    5 games we’re 16th
    10 games we’re 20th 
    15 games we’re 21st 

    At worst case we’re not even in bottom 3 for form. 

    I know yesterday (and Wednesday) was tough, especially for those who went to both games. But we’ve not been relegated this week, we’re not in bottom 3 of form table, we’re not in bottom 3 of actual table (and won’t be even if Boro pull off a win tomorrow).

    Lets hope yesterday does sort out the players heads. Bowyer will certainly have learnt a lot about formations and his players this week. He’s still a rookie manager learning his trade and in a new league (one of the toughest second divisions in the world), but I believe him and JJ have enough to sort this set of players out for the remaining games. 

    The teams overtaking us and catching up aren’t in the bottom 3 of the form tables either 

    Boro, Hull and Luton all in bottom 3 of the form tables I’ve mentioned.

    After getting rid of Roland, I’m more than happy finishing 21st this season. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,049
    edited March 2020
    Gammysnr said:
    Our confidence is shot, can't see a way out. I hope I'm wrong, but we're down and Boro will beat us. Where's that rope?
    If our confidence is shot having won 3 of the last 7, what must Hull & Boro's confidence be like ?
    Hull have picked up 2 points from 30 & I don't think Boro have won this year, picking up 7 from the last 30.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,710
    Covered End said:
    Gammysnr said:
    Our confidence is shot, can't see a way out. I hope I'm wrong, but we're down and Boro will beat us. Where's that rope?
    If our confidence is shot having won 3 of the last 7, what must Hull & Boro's confidence be like ?
    Hull have picked up 2 points from 30 & I don't think Boro have won this year.
    Oh no!!
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,888
    Covered End said:
    Gammysnr said:
    Our confidence is shot, can't see a way out. I hope I'm wrong, but we're down and Boro will beat us. Where's that rope?
    If our confidence is shot having won 3 of the last 7, what must Hull & Boro's confidence be like ?
    Hull have picked up 2 points from 30 & I don't think Boro have won this year.
    Oh no! You know what's going to happen now mate 😨. For once just once Charlton, please don't be so accomodating 🤞 😉.
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,308
    Season will be defined by our home matches. Still reckon we will have enough to stay up. If we do stay up, it won’t be more than 1 or 2 points. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,710
    RedChaser said:
    Covered End said:
    Gammysnr said:
    Our confidence is shot, can't see a way out. I hope I'm wrong, but we're down and Boro will beat us. Where's that rope?
    If our confidence is shot having won 3 of the last 7, what must Hull & Boro's confidence be like ?
    Hull have picked up 2 points from 30 & I don't think Boro have won this year.
    Oh no! You know what's going to happen now mate 😨. For once just once Charlton, please don't be so accomodating 🤞 😉.
    Dont worry Charlton havent beaten Millwall in years so they'll correct that too... wont they... wont they?
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,888
    edited March 2020
    ForeverAddickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    Covered End said:
    Gammysnr said:
    Our confidence is shot, can't see a way out. I hope I'm wrong, but we're down and Boro will beat us. Where's that rope?
    If our confidence is shot having won 3 of the last 7, what must Hull & Boro's confidence be like ?
    Hull have picked up 2 points from 30 & I don't think Boro have won this year.
    Oh no! You know what's going to happen now mate 😨. For once just once Charlton, please don't be so accomodating 🤞 😉.
    Dont worry Charlton havent beaten Millwall in years so they'll correct that too... wont they... wont they?
    Tell me about it still at least us old uns have seen the odd victory 😉.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,947
    Neither Hull nor Boro have won since the 1st January, the script writes itself...
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,710
    RedChaser said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    Covered End said:
    Gammysnr said:
    Our confidence is shot, can't see a way out. I hope I'm wrong, but we're down and Boro will beat us. Where's that rope?
    If our confidence is shot having won 3 of the last 7, what must Hull & Boro's confidence be like ?
    Hull have picked up 2 points from 30 & I don't think Boro have won this year.
    Oh no! You know what's going to happen now mate 😨. For once just once Charlton, please don't be so accomodating 🤞 😉.
    Dont worry Charlton havent beaten Millwall in years so they'll correct that too... wont they... wont they?
    Tell me about it still at least us old uns have seen the odd victory 😉.
    Can you still remember the first sweets given to you by your Grandfather ;)
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,480
    killerandflash said:
    Neither Hull nor Boro have won since the 1st January, the script writes itself...
    I wonder who they'll beat?

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  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,888
    ForeverAddickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    Covered End said:
    Gammysnr said:
    Our confidence is shot, can't see a way out. I hope I'm wrong, but we're down and Boro will beat us. Where's that rope?
    If our confidence is shot having won 3 of the last 7, what must Hull & Boro's confidence be like ?
    Hull have picked up 2 points from 30 & I don't think Boro have won this year.
    Oh no! You know what's going to happen now mate 😨. For once just once Charlton, please don't be so accomodating 🤞 😉.
    Dont worry Charlton havent beaten Millwall in years so they'll correct that too... wont they... wont they?
    Tell me about it still at least us old uns have seen the odd victory 😉.
    Can you still remember the first sweets given to you by your Grandfather ;)
    Actually no I can't but I can remember my Nan giving me a Thrupenny piece (1&1/4p today) pocket money to go and buy some 😉.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,154
    RedChaser said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    Covered End said:
    Gammysnr said:
    Our confidence is shot, can't see a way out. I hope I'm wrong, but we're down and Boro will beat us. Where's that rope?
    If our confidence is shot having won 3 of the last 7, what must Hull & Boro's confidence be like ?
    Hull have picked up 2 points from 30 & I don't think Boro have won this year.
    Oh no! You know what's going to happen now mate 😨. For once just once Charlton, please don't be so accomodating 🤞 😉.
    Dont worry Charlton havent beaten Millwall in years so they'll correct that too... wont they... wont they?
    Tell me about it still at least us old uns have seen the odd victory 😉.
    Can you still remember the first sweets given to you by your Grandfather ;)
    Actually no I can't but I can remember my Nan giving me a Thrupenny piece (1&1/4p today) pocket money to go and buy some 😉.
    Unbelievable memory recollecting 80 years back.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,888
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    RedChaser said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    Covered End said:
    Gammysnr said:
    Our confidence is shot, can't see a way out. I hope I'm wrong, but we're down and Boro will beat us. Where's that rope?
    If our confidence is shot having won 3 of the last 7, what must Hull & Boro's confidence be like ?
    Hull have picked up 2 points from 30 & I don't think Boro have won this year.
    Oh no! You know what's going to happen now mate 😨. For once just once Charlton, please don't be so accomodating 🤞 😉.
    Dont worry Charlton havent beaten Millwall in years so they'll correct that too... wont they... wont they?
    Tell me about it still at least us old uns have seen the odd victory 😉.
    Can you still remember the first sweets given to you by your Grandfather ;)
    Actually no I can't but I can remember my Nan giving me a Thrupenny piece (1&1/4p today) pocket money to go and buy some 😉.
    Unbelievable memory recollecting 80 years back.
    You sobered up yet from Wednesday? I bet your ears were burning yesterday when I was chatting with Lincs about you blanking him 😉
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,154
    RedChaser said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    RedChaser said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    Covered End said:
    Gammysnr said:
    Our confidence is shot, can't see a way out. I hope I'm wrong, but we're down and Boro will beat us. Where's that rope?
    If our confidence is shot having won 3 of the last 7, what must Hull & Boro's confidence be like ?
    Hull have picked up 2 points from 30 & I don't think Boro have won this year.
    Oh no! You know what's going to happen now mate 😨. For once just once Charlton, please don't be so accomodating 🤞 😉.
    Dont worry Charlton havent beaten Millwall in years so they'll correct that too... wont they... wont they?
    Tell me about it still at least us old uns have seen the odd victory 😉.
    Can you still remember the first sweets given to you by your Grandfather ;)
    Actually no I can't but I can remember my Nan giving me a Thrupenny piece (1&1/4p today) pocket money to go and buy some 😉.
    Unbelievable memory recollecting 80 years back.
    You sobered up yet from Wednesday? I bet your ears were burning yesterday when I was chatting with Lincs about you blanking him 😉
    I certainly had earache off @SoundAsa£ last night on my way home.


  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,931
    killerandflash said:
    covered_end_junior said:
    One of us Boro and Hull joining Luton and Barnsley I think. Big game next week.
    I wouldn't write off Luton and Barnsley either, only 5 points behind us, they can easily make up that gap especially as there are loads of matches against fellow strugglers to come

    The next 2 games are crucial, beat Boro and Hull and we stand a chance of survival. Lose those 2 and we're probably doomed as it'll be such a blow to morale (and helping 2 direct rivals)
    Luton have wigan next and Hull still to play 
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    edited March 2020
    Off_it said:
    The_President said:

     I have always been worried about Lees ability to motivate the players, maybe it is coming to the surface now? Tbh, I have always had concerns about his motivational skills. 

    And you're telling us this now?
    Clearly, after the shambles at Sheff wed, his motivational skills worked at Huddersfield.

    His after match was an embarassment- and he mentioned 'The Diamond' !

    Lee 'Diamond' Bowyer.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,742
    stoneroses19 said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    stoneroses19 said:
    Form guide of previous games: 

    5 games we’re 16th
    10 games we’re 20th 
    15 games we’re 21st 

    At worst case we’re not even in bottom 3 for form. 

    I know yesterday (and Wednesday) was tough, especially for those who went to both games. But we’ve not been relegated this week, we’re not in bottom 3 of form table, we’re not in bottom 3 of actual table (and won’t be even if Boro pull off a win tomorrow).

    Lets hope yesterday does sort out the players heads. Bowyer will certainly have learnt a lot about formations and his players this week. He’s still a rookie manager learning his trade and in a new league (one of the toughest second divisions in the world), but I believe him and JJ have enough to sort this set of players out for the remaining games. 

    The teams overtaking us and catching up aren’t in the bottom 3 of the form tables either 

    Boro, Hull and Luton all in bottom 3 of the form tables I’ve mentioned.

    After getting rid of Roland, I’m more than happy finishing 21st this season. 
    State of Wednesday's form and we still set up the way we did at their place. That one will sting for a while.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,712
    The_President said:

     

    I have always been worried about Lees ability to motivate the players, maybe it is coming to the surface now? Tbh, I have always had concerns about his motivational skills. One of the ‘catchphrases’ that intrigues me is his insistence on using is ‘The Diamond’ – its almost as if he has no other tactical nuance to impart. At this particular point in time, to be able to motivate others is going to be one of the key skills required- this situation needs an Allardyce or Warnock (although not suggesting we dispose of Bowyer – that would be mad at this point in time).

    However, I am also very aware, as we all are, that the budget he has had to deal with is extremely low in comparison with others around us.

    We also have been very pleased with our transfer dealings with Lee and Steve in the past (prime one for me was Magennis out for money and Lyle in for free – still makes me laugh now), however, the jury is almost coming back in with a verdict on the January signings with Green,Davis,Smith and Mcgeady being very underwhelming.

    We just seem a side at the moment bereft of confidence (to be expected), no skill, no desire , one of the key strengths of us has always been the pressing element, which seems to have deserted us, along with our inability to stop sides attacking us at will with little desire to stop them before they get into dangerous situations – its almost as if teams are just walking the ball into our net now, or there is a defensive ricket which hands them a goal just around the corner.


    In Lee’s words, 47 points will be enough for survival, which means we ‘just’ need to scrape 2 wins and 2 draws from somewhere, which given our form and confidence levels of recent will be much tougher than it sounds.

    Assuming Luton and Barnsley have too much ground to make up this is the remaining fixtures of the five in the mix…us,Boro,Hull,Stoke and Wigan. With my points predictions. We might need that GD difference to give us another point (if we can manage to keep it below the rest) – we could really do with a 2 or 3 goal win v Boro, but then again I’ll keep looking for those pigs outside.

    My take on us beating Wigan, will be that they will be safe by then , and may take their foot off the pedal.

     

    Charlton

    Charlton v Middlesbrough - 1

    Hull v Charlton - 0

    Charlton v QPR - 3

    Cardiff v Charlton - 0

    Charlton v Millwall - 0

    Brentford v Charlton - 0

    Charlton v Reading - 3

    Birmingham v Charlton - 0

    Charlton v Wigan - 3

    Leeds v Charlton – 0

    Total points 10 – 49 points

    -

    Mboro

    Middlesbrough v Nottingham - 1

    Charlton v Middlesbrough -1

    Middlesbrough v Swansea - 1

    Stoke v Middlesbrough - 0

    Hull v Middlesbrough - 1

    Middlesbrough v QPR - 3

    Millwall v Middlesbrough - 0

    Middlesbrough v Bristol City - 1

    Reading v Middlesbrough - 0

    Middlesbrough v Cardiff - 3

    Sheffield Wed v Middlesbrough - 0

    Total points 11 – 48 points


    Hull

    Stoke v Hull – 0

    Hull v Charlton - 3

    Birmingham v Hull - 0

    Hull v Middlesbrough - 1

    West Brom v Hull -0

    Bristol City v Hull -0

    Hull v Millwall - 1

    Wigan v Hull -0

    Hull v Luton -3

    Cardiff v Hull – 1

    Total points 9 – 50 points

     

    Stoke

    Stoke v Hull - 3

    Reading v Stoke - 1

    Stoke v Middlesbrough - 3

    Wigan v Stoke - 1

    Stoke v Barnsley - 3

    Leeds v Stoke - 0

    Stoke v Birmingham - 1

    Bristol City v Stoke - 0

    Stoke v Brentford - 0

    Nottingham v Stoke - 0

    Total points 12 – 51

     

    Wigan

     

    Wigan v Luton - 3

    Huddersfield v Wigan - 3

    Wigan v Blackburn - 1

    Wigan v Stoke - 1

    Brentford v Wigan - 0

    Wigan v QPR - 1

    Barnsley v Wigan - 3

    Wigan v Hull -3

    Charlton v Wigan - 0

    Wigan v Fulham – 0

     

    Total points 15 - 55

     


    Some big 6-pointers amongst that lot, not at least for Wigan who could be playing 3 of their last 4 games against reams in or around the bottom 3.

    Also Millwall wont do us any favours & will probably lose to Hull & Boro and beat us.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,049
    Southampton 0 Leicester 9    25/10/19   probably most people thought Soton were heading for relegation.
    Watford looked racing certainties for relegation a couple of months ago.
    Wigan looked dead and buried 2 weeks ago.
    10 games left anything could happen.
  • BR3red
    BR3red Posts: 1,715
    Yep

    Well, other than beating Millwall 🙄

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  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,829
    Covered End said:
    Southampton 0 Leicester 9    25/10/19   probably most people thought Soton were heading for relegation.
    Watford looked racing certainties for relegation a couple of months ago.
    Wigan looked dead and buried 2 weeks ago.
    10 games left anything could happen.
    Yes we could lose them all.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,049
    clb74 said:
    Covered End said:
    Southampton 0 Leicester 9    25/10/19   probably most people thought Soton were heading for relegation.
    Watford looked racing certainties for relegation a couple of months ago.
    Wigan looked dead and buried 2 weeks ago.
    10 games left anything could happen.
    Yes we could lose them all.
    You've changed.
    You were backing us to score 4 early part of the season :-)
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,078
    If we can get 6 points from Boro, Hull and QPR then things will start to look a bit more promising. 4-5 points possibly won't be a disaster either.

    Anything less than that though and i fear with the games immediately after (Cardiff, Millwall, Brentford) then we'll be rooted in the bottom 3 with 4 games left.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,078
    It's crazy how the form is this league can suddenly turn though.

    Look at Middlesbrough for example. Over christmas and new year they won 4 out of 4, beating Stoke and Huddersfield at home then winning away 2-0 at both West Brom and Preston. They must've thought then that they were well set for a comfy mid-table finish.

    God knows what happened after that though. 9 games, 0 wins, 4 points. Although similar to us (before Huddersfield) they're never easily beaten, their 5 defeats in that run have all been by a single goal (4 of them losing 1-0)

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,947
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    It's crazy how the form is this league can suddenly turn though.

    Look at Middlesbrough for example. Over christmas and new year they won 4 out of 4, beating Stoke and Huddersfield at home then winning away 2-0 at both West Brom and Preston. They must've thought then that they were well set for a comfy mid-table finish.

    God knows what happened after that though. 9 games, 0 wins, 4 points. Although similar to us (before Huddersfield) they're never easily beaten, their 5 defeats in that run have all been by a single goal (4 of them losing 1-0)

    On the basis of the madness of this division, they'll either win 2-0 at The Valley to end their terrible run without a win or we'll stuff them 5-0 to end their run of narrow defeats!
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    edited March 2020
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    If we can get 6 points from Boro, Hull and QPR then things will start to look a bit more promising. 4-5 points possibly won't be a disaster either.

    Anything less than that though and i fear with the games immediately after (Cardiff, Millwall, Brentford) then we'll be rooted in the bottom 3 with 4 games left.
    Even 3 might be ok - as long as that 3 is against Boro  it would take us potentially 5 points clear of them, with better GD, and deflate them at same time. Another point at Hull would be a real bonus. If that happened, then that could take us 3 games away (6 points) from Boro where they need to get points if we get nothing.
  • Sillybilly
    Sillybilly Posts: 9,238
    Interestingly, despite the doom and gloom, if the right sequence of results happen tonight and Saturday, we would suddenly look quite good. 5 ahead of Boro and 9 ahead of both Luton and Barnsley. And all those results look possible if not probable.  Of course life is never that easy but there’s always hope. The alternative wouldn’t be very nice. 
  • DoctorCharlton
    DoctorCharlton Posts: 2,464

    At what point do we find out about Wednesday and Derby points deduction?

    Would EFL leave it literally until the last minute? Will they even get deducted at all this season? A quick google didn't give me any answers.


  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,947
    DoctorCharlton said:

    At what point do we find out about Wednesday and Derby points deduction?

    Would EFL leave it literally until the last minute? Will they even get deducted at all this season? A quick google didn't give me any answers.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47667742

    It was announced on the 22nd March last season, if that's a clue
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,078
    DoctorCharlton said:

    At what point do we find out about Wednesday and Derby points deduction?

    Would EFL leave it literally until the last minute? Will they even get deducted at all this season? A quick google didn't give me any answers.


    As soon as both clubs have enough points to be comfortably safe from any serious points deduction..............

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