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Cricket .. England in South Africa & Sri Lanka 2019/2020
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when the rain stopped the game, it was still on a knife edge, the Indians were obviously pissed off at losing to their upstart neighbours .. I'd expect youngsters to be more temperamental in this type of situation than more seasoned professionals .. fine them all their match fees and send them to bed with no supperoohaahmortimer said:
Only caught the end cos I’d watched England match , that’s a bit shameful to be acting up already at such a young ageLeuth said:
Tbf India's player conduct during the game and towards the umpires had been an absolute disgrace. Got to rise above it and win gracefully, but stilloohaahmortimer said:
Looked a bit naughty at the end, I think some of the Indian players didn’t take kindly to the Bangla players celebrations , a bit of aggro over a flag as well but the commentators nutdowned it and the cameras moved away from itLeuth said:Absolute thriller of an U19 WC final looks like being ultimately settled by the rain...in favour of Bangladesh! Gripping stuff
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I won't "name and shame" but the behaviour of one of the England players during the U19 World Cup left a bit to be desired at times. Not sure if they hand out demerit points but, if not, hopefully someone will be having a word with him.0
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Did Denley win MoM at last ODI?0
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No, Rashid. One of those games where everyone chipped in but nobody really excelled, Rashid probably the rightful winner though1
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Denly Is the kishishev of the England team. Easy to criticise but quietly does his job without fuss. He will never be the star man in the team but if the selectors are really considering playing bairstow who averages 20 in the last two years at 3 when he can’t hit straight balls, then I’m giving up on cricket3
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It is reported that both Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid have turned down the opportunity to return to Test cricket for the Sri Lanka tour. Leaves us scratching around a bit for 3 spinners but at least we're not quite in the same position as New Zealand.
Their number one spinner, Mitchell Santner, has played 72 First Class and Test matches. He has never taken more than 3 wickets in an innings and his average per wicket is over 46. Ish Sodhi, their other spinner, has taken 41 Test wickets at almost 49 with an economy rate of 3.75.
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Leach Bess and Denly. Sorted.0
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Plus Root1
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Leach, Bess, Denly, Root: 75 wickets between them, in 120 Tests.
Adil Rashid, Moeen Ali: 241 wickets, in 79 Tests.
Losing the opportunity to select the two best spinners may be an expensive handicap for England in Sri Lanka.1 -
Agree in principle, but the old line about damn lies and statistics comes to mind with this one - hugely skewed by the inclusion of Root.Chizz said:Leach, Bess, Denly, Root: 75 wickets between them, in 120 Tests.
Adil Rashid, Moeen Ali: 241 wickets, in 79 Tests.
Losing the opportunity to select the two best spinners may be an expensive handicap for England in Sri Lanka.4 - Sponsored links:
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Leach was most successful spinner on our last tour to Sri Lanka, which we won2
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Denly's 2 wickets in 14 Tests hardly helps either.AshBurton said:
Agree in principle, but the old line about damn lies and statistics comes to mind with this one - hugely skewed by the inclusion of Root.Chizz said:Leach, Bess, Denly, Root: 75 wickets between them, in 120 Tests.
Adil Rashid, Moeen Ali: 241 wickets, in 79 Tests.
Losing the opportunity to select the two best spinners may be an expensive handicap for England in Sri Lanka.
Leach and Bess have actually taken 45 wickets in 14 Tests which is a better average than Rashid and Ali's 241 in 791 -
*shakes head once again at Chizz's mastery of cricket shitposting*5
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On a positive note our friends, New Zealand, have just won the final ODI against India to make it 3-0. This is the first time that India have lost an ODI series to nil since 1989.
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somehow, somewhere, India have been well and truly CharltonisedAddick Addict said:On a positive note our friends, New Zealand, have just won the final ODI against India to make it 3-0. This is the first time that India have lost an ODI series to nil since 1989.
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Without Root's wickets, the picture looks, if anything, bleaker. Leach, Denly and Bess have taken 48 wickets v Rashid and Moeen's 241.AshBurton said:
Agree in principle, but the old line about damn lies and statistics comes to mind with this one - hugely skewed by the inclusion of Root.Chizz said:Leach, Bess, Denly, Root: 75 wickets between them, in 120 Tests.
Adil Rashid, Moeen Ali: 241 wickets, in 79 Tests.
Losing the opportunity to select the two best spinners may be an expensive handicap for England in Sri Lanka.0 -
This is a very good point and one which reinforces why Leach should (if fit and well) be selected. Although, it could be argued that Moeen took as many wickets, but in fewer overs, so could claim that title.redman said:Leach was most successful spinner on our last tour to Sri Lanka, which we won
(However, we shouldn't look too closely at the averages from the last tour. Because, if we did, we'd probably see Bairstow nailed-on as a non-keeping batter. And no-one wants that!)0 -
Bit harsh on the one who's taken more wickets than the rest of them put together!McBobbin said:Lets look at some real stats: Root 28w@50, leach 34w@29, Denly 2w@109, Bess 11w@30, Rashid 60w@40 and Moeen 181w @37.
I realise this only says part of the story, bit nobody particularly stands out, be good to see how Leach progresses0 -
In how many Tests?Chizz said:
Without Root's wickets, the picture looks, if anything, bleaker. Leach, Denly and Bess have taken 48 wickets v Rashid and Mooen's 241.AshBurton said:
Agree in principle, but the old line about damn lies and statistics comes to mind with this one - hugely skewed by the inclusion of Root.Chizz said:Leach, Bess, Denly, Root: 75 wickets between them, in 120 Tests.
Adil Rashid, Moeen Ali: 241 wickets, in 79 Tests.
Losing the opportunity to select the two best spinners may be an expensive handicap for England in Sri Lanka.
By the way, it's Moeen, not Mooen.3 - Sponsored links:
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Foakes is back!!!
Sri Lanka Tour Squad:
Joe Root (Yorkshire) captain
Dominic Bess (Somerset)
Stuart Broad (Nottinghamshire)
Jos Buttler (Lancashire)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Sam Curran (Surrey)
Joe Denly (Kent)
Ben Foakes (Surrey)
Keaton Jennings (Lancashire)
Jack Leach (Somerset)
Matthew Parkinson (Lancashire)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Dominic Sibley (Warwickshire)
Ben Stokes (Durham) vice-captain
Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
Mark Wood (Durham)
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Largely as expected. Bairstow "rested" thank fuck. Denly retained and Foakes in. No point in taking Jimmy. Give him until the summer to get fit.
Jennings is only there if one of the top 3 get injured.
Plenty of quick bowling options though we will likely only play 2+ stokes in each match.
Only real spinning options chosen.
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Jennings makes sense to be fair to the selectors - he's looked good against spin, just not pace.0
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Glad Foakes is back too, hope he gets a fair crack at cementing a place.3
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Just hope if he does well on this tour he isn't seen as an option for other series!North Lower Neil said:Jennings makes sense to be fair to the selectors - he's looked good against spin, just not pace.0 -
Yes, if you have someone who's good against spin, why not pick him for subcontinent tours?North Lower Neil said:Jennings makes sense to be fair to the selectors - he's looked good against spin, just not pace.
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Foakes should be in the side with Buttler the back-up.North Lower Neil said:Glad Foakes is back too, hope he gets a fair crack at cementing a place.
I doubt it will happen though.
At least Foakes in place of Bairstow is a step In the right direction.2 -
The selection policy is definitely changing - we've always picked "horses for courses" on the bowling front and Jennings is an example of us now doing that with the batting.redman said:
Just hope if he does well on this tour he isn't seen as an option for other series!North Lower Neil said:Jennings makes sense to be fair to the selectors - he's looked good against spin, just not pace.
I don't see Jennings in the starting line up, more as back up, but should he get in and score heavily then the selectors will, admittedly, have difficult decisions to make. If Jennings doesn't get a game then, even if all of the top 3 aren't overly successful, they still have Burns in front of him.1 -
Don't rate jennings at all, hope he's a back up option to crawley and sibley. Great that foakes is back and that now hopefully bairstow can concentrate on being a white ball player.1
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I'm uneasy with that kind of selection policy - if a bowler bowls a bad ball he can run up and bowl again, if a batsman plays a bad shot that's him out til the next innings and puts pressure on his teammates. I don't think an additional pressure of "hey you're good vs this type of bowler, now play this game and make lots of runs or we'll drop you, we'll probably drop you anyway, but now some one else will take your place in similar circumstances" is any good.Addick Addict said:
The selection policy is definitely changing - we've always picked "horses for courses" on the bowling front and Jennings is an example of us now doing that with the batting.redman said:
Just hope if he does well on this tour he isn't seen as an option for other series!North Lower Neil said:Jennings makes sense to be fair to the selectors - he's looked good against spin, just not pace.
I don't see Jennings in the starting line up, more as back up, but should he get in and score heavily then the selectors will, admittedly, have difficult decisions to make. If Jennings doesn't get a game then, even if all of the top 3 aren't overly successful, they still have Burns in front of him.0
