Mr Bowyer as a Company employee you have paid due respect to your employer.
You are perfectly entitled to do so.
You argue M Duchatelet despite wanting to sell the club has supported yourself and Gallen to achieve a "healthy" squad. You argue sir, in comparison to the machinations at Bolton and Bury the club is indeed fortunate.
Mr Bowyer, it is a very low bar against which to set comparisons. You ask what more should supporters expect.
I politely suggest Mr Bowyer you reflect;
- you were appointed caretaker manager after Mr Robinson walked away
- you were appointed caretaker manager simply because you were there
- you were appointed caretaker manager because the owner wanted/wants out
- you were not appointed full time manager until 6 weeks into the following season
- you were just a few weeks ago publicly released from your position via a club statement without even the courtesy of personal notification
Mr Bowyer you should further remember during his tenure since 2014 this owner has;
- made 9 managerial appointments
- overseen 195 professional players contracts
- incurred trading debts of circa of £60mn with no discernible plan as to how he intends to resolve such debt
- sought to foist such debt on new investors asking them to pay for his mistakes
- fritterred away player sales receipts of over £25mn for players collectively now worth over £120mn in Pope, Gomez, Konsa, Gudmundsson, Lookman, Grant, Aribo
- operated the club without a CEO or FCO, or executive board for over a year.
- alienated thousands of supporters through ill thought strategies, divisive and eccentric communication, poor implementation and arrogant personal agenda.
Mr Bowyer I applaud;
- the fact for the first time under this regime the club is operating with a full senior squad
- the work you have undertaken with Messrs Jackson, Marshall and of course Gallen in structuring & managing the clubhouse to achieve the results you have.
- your efforts in galvanising the bond between the players and the fans.
- M.Duchatelet for financially supporting you, the other named parties and the players in your endeavours.
However Mr Bowyer in terms of ownership, leadership, accountability, business & industry investment, market intelligence, participative involvement I abhor the disrespectful arrogance of any individual who perceives and regularly reaffirms none of the elements collectively warrant more than 2% of his time.
Indeed Mr Bowyer can I suggest perhaps on each match day you spare just 5 minutes to cast your eye around the operational and executive infrastructure of the clubs your team is playing.
Perhaps then sir you will find the answers you seek as what more supporters can expect from the ownership of THEIR club.
I think we all knew Bows wasn't the Messiah, and he will make the odd mistake including this gaff, probs best to stay out of fan politics as well McDonalds, and nightclubs in Leeds. We could be a whisker away from a Bolton or Bury situation if you know who decides to bail, and indeed we have fairly serious problems as it is only mitigated by our fantastic manager and his team.
My view is he is a very talented former player, and now coach, and I'm glad we've got him and will tell him (the last bit, perhaps not the above) if I ever meet him.
there has been a change in the owners actions. He still needs to go but when you compare how Bowyer has been allowed to do things his own way its not comparable to the interference other managers have had. Bowyer im sure was asked a question and answered it based on the experiences he has had rather then what previous managers have.
I don't think this is mind games from Bowyer I don't think he is that sort of person but he is the sort of person who will give an honest opinion regardless of what we all might think
I was raging when we sold Djiksteel. It turns out Bowyer wanted this and it helped fund the decent squad he has put together. I will still protest against the owner when required to, but Duchatelet did behave better in the last window than I expected him to. I hate the bloke and think long term he is a danger to the club, but in his own way he did back Bowyer. Maybe the way Bowyer is playing the manager is helping that. I think Bowyer is somebody who finds a way, and whatever that way is, he will take it.
I also think, undeservedly, that it is in Roland's interests to have the success we are having on the pitch, and if he gets that, he may try to keep Bowyer which is what I dearly want to happen.
I was raging when we sold Djiksteel. It turns out Bowyer wanted this and it helped fund the decent squad he has put together. I will still protest against the owner when required to, but Duchatelet did behave better in the last window than I expected him to. I hate the bloke and think long term he is a danger to the club, but in his own way he did back Bowyer. Maybe the way Bowyer is playing the manager is helping that. I think Bowyer is somebody who finds a way, and whatever that way is, he will take it.
I also think, undeservedly, that it is in Roland's interests to have the success we are having on the pitch, and if he gets that, he may try to keep Bowyer which is what I dearly want to happen.
There's only one way I want to see Duchatelet behaving when it comes to windows. That's jumping out of one.
I was raging when we sold Djiksteel. It turns out Bowyer wanted this and it helped fund the decent squad he has put together. I will still protest against the owner when required to, but Duchatelet did behave better in the last window than I expected him to. I hate the bloke and think long term he is a danger to the club, but in his own way he did back Bowyer. Maybe the way Bowyer is playing the manager is helping that. I think Bowyer is somebody who finds a way, and whatever that way is, he will take it.
I also think, undeservedly, that it is in Roland's interests to have the success we are having on the pitch, and if he gets that, he may try to keep Bowyer which is what I dearly want to happen.
There's only one way I want to see Duchatelet behaving when it comes to windows. That's jumping out of one.
there has been a change in the owners actions. He still needs to go but when you compare how Bowyer has been allowed to do things his own way its not comparable to the interference other managers have had. Bowyer im sure was asked a question and answered it based on the experiences he has had rather then what previous managers have.
I don't think this is mind games from Bowyer I don't think he is that sort of person but he is the sort of person who will give an honest opinion regardless of what we all might think
The Belgian can smell BIG dough, he's not going anywhere.
I think Bowyer 'gets' Charlton but will get an offer he cannot refuse if we maintain a top 10 position. A big if though.
He will do the best he can with what he has. He will be ruthless when it suits (Dijksteel to get the dosh he was hoping to get from Aribo) and sycophantic when it suits (praising RD).
Sadly he will also be mercenary when it suits as football is what it is. Let's hope that is a long time coming.
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
I still think the budget is within the club’s income (if you include the incoming fees). I don’t doubt Bowyer has spent it well, but to suggest he’s wrung it out of RD is probably a stretch too far.
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
Has Bowyer got any money out of him though? I actually don't blame Roland for not splashing the cash. It's not sustainable and it doesn't make good business sense at all. But Bowyer has spent the Dijksteel and maybe Aribo money. With the Lookman sell on and the increased revenue, I highly doubt Roland is losing any money this year.
Bowyer probably is stroking his ego as his way of dealing with Roland. I have no issues with Bowyer saying "it is what it is" and "it's out of his control" but he doesn't need to praise him.
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
Has Bowyer got any money out of him though? I actually don't blame Roland for not splashing the cash. It's not sustainable and it doesn't make good business sense at all. But Bowyer has spent the Dijksteel and maybe Aribo money. With the Lookman sell on and the increased revenue, I highly doubt Roland is losing any money this year.
Bowyer probably is stroking his ego as his way of dealing with Roland. I have no issues with Bowyer saying "it is what it is" and "it's out of his control" but he doesn't need to praise him.
If he needs to praise him to get what he needs, then I see no problem, if massaging RDs very fragile ego leads to one extra player then well done bows, keep it up.
We all know RD is a **** so why does it matter what Bowyer says?
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
Has Bowyer got any money out of him though? I actually don't blame Roland for not splashing the cash. It's not sustainable and it doesn't make good business sense at all. But Bowyer has spent the Dijksteel and maybe Aribo money. With the Lookman sell on and the increased revenue, I highly doubt Roland is losing any money this year.
Bowyer probably is stroking his ego as his way of dealing with Roland. I have no issues with Bowyer saying "it is what it is" and "it's out of his control" but he doesn't need to praise him.
If he needs to praise him to get what he needs, then I see no problem, if massaging RDs very fragile ego leads to one extra player then well done bows, keep it up.
We all know RD is a **** so why does it matter what Bowyer says?
Agreed. Can you imagine Roland last year allowing Bowyer to sign the likes of Oztumer and an extra RB like Matthews?
Whatever the reason, this will be the first season ever under Roland where we effectively have a full squad with 2 players for every position, so something has changed
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
Has Bowyer got any money out of him though? I actually don't blame Roland for not splashing the cash. It's not sustainable and it doesn't make good business sense at all. But Bowyer has spent the Dijksteel and maybe Aribo money. With the Lookman sell on and the increased revenue, I highly doubt Roland is losing any money this year.
Bowyer probably is stroking his ego as his way of dealing with Roland. I have no issues with Bowyer saying "it is what it is" and "it's out of his control" but he doesn't need to praise him.
If he needs to praise him to get what he needs, then I see no problem, if massaging RDs very fragile ego leads to one extra player then well done bows, keep it up.
We all know RD is a **** so why does it matter what Bowyer says?
Agreed. Can you imagine Roland last year allowing Bowyer to sign the likes of Oztumer and an extra RB like Matthews?
Whatever the reason, this will be the first season ever under Roland where we effectively have a full squad with 2 players for every position, so something has changed
Perhaps he's changed his mind about selling and is now going to show us oiks of South East London that he was right all the time and us vinegar pissers can do one.
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
I still think the budget is within the club’s income (if you include the incoming fees). I don’t doubt Bowyer has spent it well, but to suggest he’s wrung it out of RD is probably a stretch too far.
I couldn’t see the likes of Peeters and Luzon be allowed to spend the Dijksteel money.
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
I still think the budget is within the club’s income (if you include the incoming fees). I don’t doubt Bowyer has spent it well, but to suggest he’s wrung it out of RD is probably a stretch too far.
I couldn’t see the likes of Peeters and Luzon be allowed to spend the Dijksteel money.
They were the managers when we bought Igor, BFG, Kashi, Sarr etc. The full second season we spent a fortune, almost certainly the second most we have ever spent in this divison, but boy did we spend it badly!
I don't think the amount of money we spent was the issue.
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
I still think the budget is within the club’s income (if you include the incoming fees). I don’t doubt Bowyer has spent it well, but to suggest he’s wrung it out of RD is probably a stretch too far.
I couldn’t see the likes of Peeters and Luzon be allowed to spend the Dijksteel money.
They were the managers when we bought Igor, BFG, Kashi, Sarr etc. The full second season we spent a fortune, almost certainly the second most we have ever spent in this divison, but boy did we spend it badly!
I don't think the amount of money we spent was the issue.
That's a good point to consider, but of course @Scoham point still stands in that it was essentially Meire who spent that money. At the time RD was operating the continental system, Luzon and Peeters were just coaches. I don't know how much input the coaches had on those purchases as individual players but I think we have established that Meire "negotiated" fees and wages.
That again is what I believe Bow has achieved. @Airman Brown may well turn out to be right that we are still bottom or near bottom in terms of salary and amortized fee budget, but I reckon Bow has at least been able to agree with RD that he is given a budget and then he and Gallen are responsible for how it is deployed. He might even have a performance bonus based around this. Which should start to be paid even if we finish one place above the relegation zone!
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
I still think the budget is within the club’s income (if you include the incoming fees). I don’t doubt Bowyer has spent it well, but to suggest he’s wrung it out of RD is probably a stretch too far.
I couldn’t see the likes of Peeters and Luzon be allowed to spend the Dijksteel money.
They were the managers when we bought Igor, BFG, Kashi, Sarr etc. The full second season we spent a fortune, almost certainly the second most we have ever spent in this divison, but boy did we spend it badly!
I don't think the amount of money we spent was the issue.
Agree they/KM spent more in total and that the amount was never an issue.
The difference is they were never able to get those last few signings to finish the squad. I don’t believe they’d have been able to add to their budget by selling players, that all went on covering costs.
I had no idea that so many people on here had managerial experience of professional football clubs and were in a position to advise/demand of Bowyer how he should conduct himself in interviews, and what sort of relationship he should have with the owner. If such people didn't exist, one could only imagine the grave ramifications for Bowyer and the club itself...
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
I still think the budget is within the club’s income (if you include the incoming fees). I don’t doubt Bowyer has spent it well, but to suggest he’s wrung it out of RD is probably a stretch too far.
I couldn’t see the likes of Peeters and Luzon be allowed to spend the Dijksteel money.
But they were the ones backed? Bowyers record signing as a manager is Macauley Bonne.
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
I still think the budget is within the club’s income (if you include the incoming fees). I don’t doubt Bowyer has spent it well, but to suggest he’s wrung it out of RD is probably a stretch too far.
I couldn’t see the likes of Peeters and Luzon be allowed to spend the Dijksteel money.
They were the managers when we bought Igor, BFG, Kashi, Sarr etc. The full second season we spent a fortune, almost certainly the second most we have ever spent in this divison, but boy did we spend it badly!
I don't think the amount of money we spent was the issue.
That's a good point to consider, but of course @Scoham point still stands in that it was essentially Meire who spent that money. At the time RD was operating the continental system, Luzon and Peeters were just coaches. I don't know how much input the coaches had on those purchases as individual players but I think we have established that Meire "negotiated" fees and wages.
That again is what I believe Bow has achieved. @Airman Brown may well turn out to be right that we are still bottom or near bottom in terms of salary and amortized fee budget, but I reckon Bow has at least been able to agree with RD that he is given a budget and then he and Gallen are responsible for how it is deployed. He might even have a performance bonus based around this. Which should start to be paid even if we finish one place above the relegation zone!
I am aware of your first point as I said they were the manager when we, not they were the managers that bought.
I think the second point has been the case since Slade won the argument to sign Foley and Crofts. Didn't Robinson sell Fox to buy Page and JFC?
Bowyer has one massive advantage in that ever player bar Sarr and Solly have either been signed by him or had a new contract under him. It's not only a benifit in terms of keeping the wage bill down but also they all know the manager wants them, rates them and trusts them. Seems a long time since a Charlton manager could say that.
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
I still think the budget is within the club’s income (if you include the incoming fees). I don’t doubt Bowyer has spent it well, but to suggest he’s wrung it out of RD is probably a stretch too far.
I couldn’t see the likes of Peeters and Luzon be allowed to spend the Dijksteel money.
But they were the ones backed? Bowyers record signing as a manager is Macauley Bonne.
In terms of a few individual fees they were backed more, but their squads were unbalanced and youth players forced to play due to a lack of depth, whether they were good enough or not.
Debt 60m and counting to Roland,Charlton are one step away from being the new Bolton.
When the sun shines most people are happy and forget what the owner has done to us ,winter is not far away and Roland is no better now than when he first purchased the club.
As for Bowyer have nothing against him what he has done for our club and will Always be afan of him.
Debt 60m and counting to Roland,Charlton are one step away from being the new Bolton.
When the sun shines most people are happy and forget what the owner has done to us ,winter is not far away and Roland is no better now than when he first purchased the club.
As for Bowyer have nothing against him what he has done for our club and will Always be afan of him.
One step away from being the new Bolton? All the debt is owed to Roland so unless he sells the club cheap and his debt kept on the books and able to demand repayment on it (which the price he wants suggests not) I'm not sure how we can be one step away from being the new Bolton who simply ran out of money? Unless I'm missing something?
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
I have a belief that some people have an ability to learn the lessons of life better than others. Some people are also able to adapt to be what they need to be, better than others. Also, when you are a scrawny kid playing high level football, being a bit of a bastard helps you. Do to them first what they are planning to do to you sort of thing. being young, you may not execute that as well as possible and you have to alter your personality more, be a bit more arrogant.
Look at this season. He has a relatively small budget but knows what he needs to do and then does it. When I put it like that it sounds simple, but few people can really do this as effectively as he can. It is simple because he makes it look simple. How do you identify Conor Gallagher is going to do the business at this level. How do you persuade Chelsea to allow him to come to us. How do you end up getting Williams to sign and Cullen also? These things are not easy.
Bowyer is a learner and the great thing is, he is now a mature learner who has learned a lot. I was chatting to afriend about him this week, and he said to me - but he is a racist. I didn't want to go there as I would bet my life on Bowyer not being a racist. If he was mother Theresa on the football pitch as a lad, he seems like the evolution of that as a manager. Always calm and considered - successful. That is what everybody should be judging him on.
Lee Bowyer himself has become a very interesting personality in the game of football. I don't know about anybody else, but I find it genuinely hard to reconcile the current Bow with the player whose off field antics, even by the low standards of footballers, were pretty piss poor. His calm, measured press conferences and interviews, the way he has conducted himself from day one, barely putting a foot wrong, is admirable in itself, but when you think where he came from.. I am not being funny here (somebody will be) but I reckon that a couple of years around the French carp ponds has transformed the guy.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
I still think the budget is within the club’s income (if you include the incoming fees). I don’t doubt Bowyer has spent it well, but to suggest he’s wrung it out of RD is probably a stretch too far.
I couldn’t see the likes of Peeters and Luzon be allowed to spend the Dijksteel money.
But they were the ones backed? Bowyers record signing as a manager is Macauley Bonne.
In terms of a few individual fees they were backed more, but their squads were unbalanced and youth players forced to play due to a lack of depth, whether they were good enough or not.
True but if they wanted to spend 2mil on individuals and not leave enough to complete the squad maybe that shows their failings (I’m not saying Roland isn’t to blame generally).
I disagree that Bowyer is the only one who would have been able to spend that money when history says otherwise.
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Mr Bowyer as a Company employee you have paid due respect to your employer.
You are perfectly entitled to do so.
You argue M Duchatelet despite wanting to sell the club has supported yourself and Gallen to achieve a "healthy" squad. You argue sir, in comparison to the machinations at Bolton and Bury the club is indeed fortunate.
Mr Bowyer, it is a very low bar against which to set comparisons. You ask what more should supporters expect.
I politely suggest Mr Bowyer you reflect;
- you were appointed caretaker manager after Mr Robinson walked away
- you were appointed caretaker manager simply because you were there
- you were appointed caretaker manager because the owner wanted/wants out
- you were not appointed full time manager until 6 weeks into the following season
- you were just a few weeks ago publicly released from your position via a club statement without even the courtesy of personal notification
Mr Bowyer you should further remember during his tenure since 2014 this owner has;
- made 9 managerial appointments
- overseen 195 professional players contracts
- incurred trading debts of circa of £60mn with no discernible plan as to how he intends to resolve such debt
- sought to foist such debt on new investors asking them to pay for his mistakes
- fritterred away player sales receipts of over £25mn for players collectively now worth over £120mn in Pope, Gomez, Konsa, Gudmundsson, Lookman, Grant, Aribo
- operated the club without a CEO or FCO, or executive board for over a year.
- alienated thousands of supporters through ill thought strategies, divisive and eccentric communication, poor implementation and arrogant personal agenda.
Mr Bowyer I applaud;
- the fact for the first time under this regime the club is operating with a full senior squad
- the work you have undertaken with Messrs Jackson, Marshall and of course Gallen in structuring & managing the clubhouse to achieve the results you have.
- your efforts in galvanising the bond between the players and the fans.
- M.Duchatelet for financially supporting you, the other named parties and the players in your endeavours.
However Mr Bowyer in terms of ownership, leadership, accountability, business & industry investment, market intelligence, participative involvement I abhor the disrespectful arrogance of any individual who perceives and regularly reaffirms none of the elements collectively warrant more than 2% of his time.
Indeed Mr Bowyer can I suggest perhaps on each match day you spare just 5 minutes to cast your eye around the operational and executive infrastructure of the clubs your team is playing.
Perhaps then sir you will find the answers you seek as what more supporters can expect from the ownership of THEIR club.
Yours respectfully.
Grapevine49
PS Keep up the excellent work.
My view is he is a very talented former player, and now coach, and I'm glad we've got him and will tell him (the last bit, perhaps not the above) if I ever meet him.
I don't think this is mind games from Bowyer I don't think he is that sort of person but he is the sort of person who will give an honest opinion regardless of what we all might think
I also think, undeservedly, that it is in Roland's interests to have the success we are having on the pitch, and if he gets that, he may try to keep Bowyer which is what I dearly want to happen.
(Of the window)
He will do the best he can with what he has. He will be ruthless when it suits (Dijksteel to get the dosh he was hoping to get from Aribo) and sycophantic when it suits (praising RD).
Sadly he will also be mercenary when it suits as football is what it is. Let's hope that is a long time coming.
Especially during the nonsense about his contract renewal I started to form the impression that Bow has found a way to connect with Duchatelet, possibly more than 99% of normal human beings. I was particularly struck by the way he dealt with the first contract offer, he managed to put on an air of genuine mild puzzlement mixed with amusement at how bizarre it was, without sounding in any way offended, when it sounds like 99% of managers would have been offended.
Long and short of it, I reckon this statement is the result of the instinctive feel he has for how to deal with Duchatelet. It may seem clumsy to us, perhaps a bit too sycophantic, but if it is the price you pay for wringing the budget out of him to build a competitive squad, I'll gladly pay that price.
Bowyer probably is stroking his ego as his way of dealing with Roland. I have no issues with Bowyer saying "it is what it is" and "it's out of his control" but he doesn't need to praise him.
We all know RD is a **** so why does it matter what Bowyer says?
Whatever the reason, this will be the first season ever under Roland where we effectively have a full squad with 2 players for every position, so something has changed
I don't think the amount of money we spent was the issue.
That again is what I believe Bow has achieved. @Airman Brown may well turn out to be right that we are still bottom or near bottom in terms of salary and amortized fee budget, but I reckon Bow has at least been able to agree with RD that he is given a budget and then he and Gallen are responsible for how it is deployed. He might even have a performance bonus based around this. Which should start to be paid even if we finish one place above the relegation zone!
The difference is they were never able to get those last few signings to finish the squad. I don’t believe they’d have been able to add to their budget by selling players, that all went on covering costs.
If such people didn't exist, one could only imagine the grave ramifications for Bowyer and the club itself...
I think the second point has been the case since Slade won the argument to sign Foley and Crofts. Didn't Robinson sell Fox to buy Page and JFC?
Bowyer has one massive advantage in that ever player bar Sarr and Solly have either been signed by him or had a new contract under him. It's not only a benifit in terms of keeping the wage bill down but also they all know the manager wants them, rates them and trusts them. Seems a long time since a Charlton manager could say that.
Debt 60m and counting to Roland,Charlton are one step away from being the new Bolton.
When the sun shines most people are happy and forget what the owner has done to us ,winter is not far away and Roland is no better now than when he first purchased the club.
As for Bowyer have nothing against him what he has done for our club and will Always be afan of him.
Look at this season. He has a relatively small budget but knows what he needs to do and then does it. When I put it like that it sounds simple, but few people can really do this as effectively as he can. It is simple because he makes it look simple. How do you identify Conor Gallagher is going to do the business at this level. How do you persuade Chelsea to allow him to come to us. How do you end up getting Williams to sign and Cullen also? These things are not easy.
Bowyer is a learner and the great thing is, he is now a mature learner who has learned a lot. I was chatting to afriend about him this week, and he said to me - but he is a racist. I didn't want to go there as I would bet my life on Bowyer not being a racist. If he was mother Theresa on the football pitch as a lad, he seems like the evolution of that as a manager. Always calm and considered - successful. That is what everybody should be judging him on.
I disagree that Bowyer is the only one who would have been able to spend that money when history says otherwise.