Some might think he had drunk so much he piddled as discreetly as possible and was unaware of the memorial. Perhaps the poor chap couldn't read, adult illiteracy is remarkably high, so it is actually down to the Corbyn loving lefty teachers who hadn't done their job properly when this loving friend family man and father was a little 'un.
In fairness, when this bloke was at school, Corbyn was an irrelevant backbencher that few outside of the IRA and PLO had heard of. Thankfully he remains as irrelevant today.
there have been many disgraceful scenes over the last few days and weeks:- - George Floyd being killed. - People trying to set fire to the Union Flag on The Cenotaph. - Statues being defaced and ripped down. - Someone urinating next to PC Palmer's memorial.
The problem is created when people draw a distinction between what illegal and scummy act is acceptable and what illegal and scummy act isn't. It's all unacceptable. If you disagree with something or someone, protest peacefully (as the majority are doing), make your case through the process of democracy. If you disagree with the democratic process, then that is your right, but you can't usurp it.
Fortunately for our democracy, The far right, who are capitalising on the agitation of the far left to push their scummy agenda, are irrelevant at the ballot box. The far left, who are hijacking the principles of BLM to drive their marxist agenda, are equally so.
apologies for using this thread to get that off my chest - I recognise that it might not be the most appropriate place.
I hold quite a cynical view on this. Those who advocate trying to change things through the proper channels tend to have control over the proper channels, so can fashion "democracy" to their own personal liking.
Two of the most significant social changes came about outside of the process of democracy: suffrage, and civil rights. Sometimes the democratic process is ineffective: Bristol's councillors ignored repeated calls for the statue of Colston to be taken down, while the plaque saga was its own sorry affair that would take far too long for me to go into in proper detail on here (this article is well worth the read).
That said, when it comes to the statue of Colston being pulled down, people tend to overlook that it was a Bristolian solution to a problem Bristol had struggled with for years. And yet it spawned a far wider discussion over statues (in my opinion, certainly for the better) and meant more people looked to vandalism (obviously for the worse).
I think this particular act - [EDIT] the pulling down of Colston's statue - while illegal, was anything but scummy, but I might have misread your post and what you mean by "illegal and scummy".
Anyway, I suspect this discourse is best reserved for the House of Commoners and I'd be happy to continue talking over there.
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I have amended my post after my wording implied that urinating on a memorial was "anything but scummy", while I was talking about the removal of Colston's statue. My profuse apologies for the confusion.
To clarify, removal of statue - not scummy. Urination - absolutely vile and I am incredibly angry about it.
If this was a picture of a black fella or white middle class lefty type the spleen shitting would be off the scale.
Middle of a pandemic and the fat mess in his teenager's trainers is either so inebriated he can't clock it or just doesn't care.
Keith Palmer was one of our own and the epitome of what is good about this country who gave his life protecting it....the people fighting people like Keith Palmer yesterday and this cunt pissing next to his memorial are the polar opposite as are the scum element on the other side who also wreaked violence yesterday and last week.
Truly despairing this is unfolding in London 2020 and a lot of people need to have a long hard look at themselves including the utter shitstain fat mug spraying his rancid stella fuelled piss over the memorial of a proper hero and Charlton fan at that.
The “he didn’t realise what he was pissing on/next to” argument exposes how false the “leave statues of racists up to help educate people” argument of last week was.
I don't know, maybe he's simply intellectually challenged.
Anyway, there's nothing in the picture of his disgraceful action that suggests he's a racist. That's a conclusion that could, possibly, be drawn from evidence he gives in a court case. We shouldn't make assumptions.
And, in order to ensure we don't make assumptions, here's a picture that was, apparently, taken the same day, showing him in far happier times.
I don't know, maybe he's simply intellectually challenged.
Anyway, there's nothing in the picture of his disgraceful action that suggests he's a racist. That's a conclusion that could, possibly, be drawn from evidence he gives in a court case. We shouldn't make assumptions.
And, in order to ensure we don't make assumptions, here's a picture that was, apparently, taken the same day, showing him in far happier times.
The guy in the white shirt and black shorts in this picture is a different person from the one urinating on the memorial.
there have been many disgraceful scenes over the last few days and weeks:- - George Floyd being killed. - People trying to set fire to the Union Flag on The Cenotaph. - Statues being defaced and ripped down. - Someone urinating next to PC Palmer's memorial.
The problem is created when people draw a distinction between what illegal and scummy act is acceptable and what illegal and scummy act isn't. It's all unacceptable. If you disagree with something or someone, protest peacefully (as the majority are doing), make your case through the process of democracy. If you disagree with the democratic process, then that is your right, but you can't usurp it.
Fortunately for our democracy, The far right, who are capitalising on the agitation of the far left to push their scummy agenda, are irrelevant at the ballot box. The far left, who are hijacking the principles of BLM to drive their marxist agenda, are equally so.
apologies for using this thread to get that off my chest - I recognise that it might not be the most appropriate place.
I hold quite a cynical view on this. Those who advocate trying to change things through the proper channels tend to have control over the proper channels, so can fashion "democracy" to their own personal liking.
Two of the most significant social changes came about outside of the process of democracy: suffrage, and civil rights. Sometimes the democratic process is ineffective: Bristol's councillors ignored repeated calls for the statue of Colston to be taken down, while the plaque saga was its own sorry affair that would take far too long for me to go into in proper detail on here (this article is well worth the read).
That said, when it comes to the statue of Colston being pulled down, people tend to overlook that it was a Bristolian solution to a problem Bristol had struggled with for years. And yet it spawned a far wider discussion over statues (in my opinion, certainly for the better) and meant more people looked to vandalism (obviously for the worse).
I think this particular act, while illegal, was anything but scummy, but I might have misread your post and what you mean by "illegal and scummy".
Anyway, I suspect this discourse is best reserved for the House of Commoners and I'd be happy to continue talking over there.
@PaddyP17 Anything but scummy !!!!!!! I think you need to tap your moral compass to see if you can get it working again. The first part of your post was thought provoking and I have some real sympathy for but to suggest the act in question wasn’t vile and scummy is frankly astonishing.
I don't know, maybe he's simply intellectually challenged.
Anyway, there's nothing in the picture of his disgraceful action that suggests he's a racist. That's a conclusion that could, possibly, be drawn from evidence he gives in a court case. We shouldn't make assumptions.
The guy in the white shirt and black shorts in this picture is a different person from the one urinating on the memorial.
Different socks
That's why I used "apparently". It was brought to Tobias Ellwood's attention, so I thought I might pass it on.
I don't know, maybe he's simply intellectually challenged.
Anyway, there's nothing in the picture of his disgraceful action that suggests he's a racist. That's a conclusion that could, possibly, be drawn from evidence he gives in a court case. We shouldn't make assumptions.
And, in order to ensure we don't make assumptions, here's a picture that was, apparently, taken the same day, showing him in far happier times.
there have been many disgraceful scenes over the last few days and weeks:- - George Floyd being killed. - People trying to set fire to the Union Flag on The Cenotaph. - Statues being defaced and ripped down. - Someone urinating next to PC Palmer's memorial.
The problem is created when people draw a distinction between what illegal and scummy act is acceptable and what illegal and scummy act isn't. It's all unacceptable. If you disagree with something or someone, protest peacefully (as the majority are doing), make your case through the process of democracy. If you disagree with the democratic process, then that is your right, but you can't usurp it.
Fortunately for our democracy, The far right, who are capitalising on the agitation of the far left to push their scummy agenda, are irrelevant at the ballot box. The far left, who are hijacking the principles of BLM to drive their marxist agenda, are equally so.
apologies for using this thread to get that off my chest - I recognise that it might not be the most appropriate place.
I hold quite a cynical view on this. Those who advocate trying to change things through the proper channels tend to have control over the proper channels, so can fashion "democracy" to their own personal liking.
Two of the most significant social changes came about outside of the process of democracy: suffrage, and civil rights. Sometimes the democratic process is ineffective: Bristol's councillors ignored repeated calls for the statue of Colston to be taken down, while the plaque saga was its own sorry affair that would take far too long for me to go into in proper detail on here (this article is well worth the read).
That said, when it comes to the statue of Colston being pulled down, people tend to overlook that it was a Bristolian solution to a problem Bristol had struggled with for years. And yet it spawned a far wider discussion over statues (in my opinion, certainly for the better) and meant more people looked to vandalism (obviously for the worse).
I think this particular act, while illegal, was anything but scummy, but I might have misread your post and what you mean by "illegal and scummy".
Anyway, I suspect this discourse is best reserved for the House of Commoners and I'd be happy to continue talking over there.
@PaddyP17 Anything but scummy !!!!!!! I think you need to tap your moral compass to see if you can get it working again. The first part of your post was thought provoking and I have some real sympathy for but to suggest the act in question wasn’t vile and scummy is frankly astonishing.
Oh no no no no no, I mean the pulling down of the statue of Colston. I have phrased that terribly.
I don't know, maybe he's simply intellectually challenged.
Anyway, there's nothing in the picture of his disgraceful action that suggests he's a racist. That's a conclusion that could, possibly, be drawn from evidence he gives in a court case. We shouldn't make assumptions.
And, in order to ensure we don't make assumptions, here's a picture that was, apparently, taken the same day, showing him in far happier times.
The guy in the white shirt and black shorts in this picture is a different person from the one urinating on the memorial.
Different socks
Maybe he had to change them after he pissed down his leg.
I don't know, maybe he's simply intellectually challenged.
Anyway, there's nothing in the picture of his disgraceful action that suggests he's a racist. That's a conclusion that could, possibly, be drawn from evidence he gives in a court case. We shouldn't make assumptions.
And, in order to ensure we don't make assumptions, here's a picture that was, apparently, taken the same day, showing him in far happier times.
The guy in the white shirt and black shorts in this picture is a different person from the one urinating on the memorial.
there have been many disgraceful scenes over the last few days and weeks:- - George Floyd being killed. - People trying to set fire to the Union Flag on The Cenotaph. - Statues being defaced and ripped down. - Someone urinating next to PC Palmer's memorial.
The problem is created when people draw a distinction between what illegal and scummy act is acceptable and what illegal and scummy act isn't. It's all unacceptable. If you disagree with something or someone, protest peacefully (as the majority are doing), make your case through the process of democracy. If you disagree with the democratic process, then that is your right, but you can't usurp it.
Fortunately for our democracy, The far right, who are capitalising on the agitation of the far left to push their scummy agenda, are irrelevant at the ballot box. The far left, who are hijacking the principles of BLM to drive their marxist agenda, are equally so.
apologies for using this thread to get that off my chest - I recognise that it might not be the most appropriate place.
I hold quite a cynical view on this. Those who advocate trying to change things through the proper channels tend to have control over the proper channels, so can fashion "democracy" to their own personal liking.
Two of the most significant social changes came about outside of the process of democracy: suffrage, and civil rights. Sometimes the democratic process is ineffective: Bristol's councillors ignored repeated calls for the statue of Colston to be taken down, while the plaque saga was its own sorry affair that would take far too long for me to go into in proper detail on here (this article is well worth the read).
That said, when it comes to the statue of Colston being pulled down, people tend to overlook that it was a Bristolian solution to a problem Bristol had struggled with for years. And yet it spawned a far wider discussion over statues (in my opinion, certainly for the better) and meant more people looked to vandalism (obviously for the worse).
I think this particular act, while illegal, was anything but scummy, but I might have misread your post and what you mean by "illegal and scummy".
Anyway, I suspect this discourse is best reserved for the House of Commoners and I'd be happy to continue talking over there.
Deliberately not on House of Commoners for exactly this reason!
I have to admit that your "reasonable cynicism" is reasonable and a good debate.
Perhaps scummy is the wrong word, but I certainly think pulling down statues does the genuine cause of BLM no favours. The real risk is that the principle of BLM is overtaken by the marxist position its "organised" structure advocates, which is far more dangerous.
A bit of perspective is needed here. I saw countless images of thugs, clearly and easily identifiable, repeatedly attacking policemen and police horses with fists, boots and glass bottles. I think priority should be given to identifying, arresting and jailing the violent thugs.
And to all the people saying it was a minority.....give me a break! From what I saw it seemed like approaching at least half of that mob were looking for a violent confrontation.
What is is up with our riot police? And what is the point of those short little batons they were armed with? They are the laughing stock of the world this morning. Unable to control a few hundred drunken thugs for the entire day!
My opinion for what it’s worth, I don’t think he intentionally pissed on the memorial. If he did he’s made a terrible effort of it. He has behaved like a disrespectful, drunken idiot on a day that should not have been about that and he, like many of those who attended, has brought shame on himself and those associated with him and has handed the media/left a narrative on a plate.
However, I think if the vile, racist (and they are that as they would certainly be if perpetrated by white individuals) mob attacks we saw yesterday had been white on black, that would be the main headline and the fury would be off the richter scale.
Where is the condemnation? The establishment/ Twitter voices and media have quite rightfully highlighted the disgraceful scenes from some of the far right yesterday - they were sickening - but unless or until the aforementioned start to treat and report on these events more objectively, it will continue to build resentment.
I read a decent sky news report yesterday, which did highlight some accurate facts - it was a minority of the far right and there were other groups involved. But you had to really search for it and it doesn’t appear to represent 99% of what I’m seeing today.
A bit of perspective is needed here. I saw countless images of thugs, clearly and easily identifiable, repeatedly attacking policemen and police horses with fists, boots and glass bottles. I think priority should be given to identifying, arresting and jailing the violent thugs.
And to all the people saying it was a minority.....give me a break! From what I saw it seemed like approaching at least half of that mob were looking for a violent confrontation.
What is is up with our riot police? And what is the point of those short little batons they were armed with? They are the laughing stock of the world this morning. Unable to control a few hundred drunken thugs for the entire day!
Yes, my Mrs pointed out that in India they would have dealt with with a lathi charge and they wouldn't be back for more.
My opinion for what it’s worth, I don’t think he intentionally pissed on the memorial. If he did he’s made a terrible effort of it. He has behaved like a disrespectful, drunken idiot on a day that should not have been about that and he, like many of those who attended, has brought shame on himself and those associated with him and has handed the media/left a narrative on a plate.
However, I think if the vile, racist (and they are that as they would certainly be if perpetrated by white individuals) mob attacks we saw yesterday had been white on black, that would be the main headline and the fury would be off the richter scale.
Where is the condemnation? The establishment/ Twitter voices and media have quite rightfully highlighted the disgraceful scenes from some of the far right yesterday - they were sickening - but unless or until the aforementioned start to treat and report on these events more objectively, it will continue to build resentment.
I read a decent sky news report yesterday, which did highlight some accurate facts - it was a minority of the far right and there were other groups involved. But you had to really search for it and it doesn’t appear to represent 99% of what I’m seeing today.
Happy to be proved wrong, as we all miss things.
1. He outraged public decency. 2. He pissed on a memorial to a hero. 3. He pissed on the railings of a nationally-important public Palace. 4. He was part of an illegal gathering (illegal due to the pandemic).
5. He may have been, as you say, drunk.
Five, chargeable offences.
Why does the media have to couch a report about someone breaking several laws, by reporting, in the same story, other crimes? What this horrible little man did was wrong. The fact that other wrong things happen, doesn't make his pathetic behaviour any more or less acceptable.
My opinion for what it’s worth, I don’t think he intentionally pissed on the memorial. If he did he’s made a terrible effort of it. He has behaved like a disrespectful, drunken idiot on a day that should not have been about that and he, like many of those who attended, has brought shame on himself and those associated with him and has handed the media/left a narrative on a plate.
However, I think if the vile, racist (and they are that as they would certainly be if perpetrated by white individuals) mob attacks we saw yesterday had been white on black, that would be the main headline and the fury would be off the richter scale.
Where is the condemnation? The establishment/ Twitter voices and media have quite rightfully highlighted the disgraceful scenes from some of the far right yesterday - they were sickening - but unless or until the aforementioned start to treat and report on these events more objectively, it will continue to build resentment.
I read a decent sky news report yesterday, which did highlight some accurate facts - it was a minority of the far right and there were other groups involved. But you had to really search for it and it doesn’t appear to represent 99% of what I’m seeing today.
Happy to be proved wrong, as we all miss things.
I do find the one sided selective reporting of events concerning too. Feel very uncomfortable with that and does not speak of balance and just fuels the idiots narrative.
Saw some horrific videos of violent mob attacks on individuals including one alleged throat slashing in Trafalgar square which does not seem to be garnering anywhere near the same attention as this prick pissing. It should be equally reported and condemned by anyone decent.
As i said in my post above they are all mindless scum and need to all sort themselves out.
As Gary says too the fact this is all occurring in the middle of the worst pandemic the country has seen in over a century and potentially risking the lives of innocent people and the protraction of the virus is very wrong too.
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Two of the most significant social changes came about outside of the process of democracy: suffrage, and civil rights. Sometimes the democratic process is ineffective: Bristol's councillors ignored repeated calls for the statue of Colston to be taken down, while the plaque saga was its own sorry affair that would take far too long for me to go into in proper detail on here (this article is well worth the read).
That said, when it comes to the statue of Colston being pulled down, people tend to overlook that it was a Bristolian solution to a problem Bristol had struggled with for years. And yet it spawned a far wider discussion over statues (in my opinion, certainly for the better) and meant more people looked to vandalism (obviously for the worse).
I think this particular act - [EDIT] the pulling down of Colston's statue - while illegal, was anything but scummy, but I might have misread your post and what you mean by "illegal and scummy".
Anyway, I suspect this discourse is best reserved for the House of Commoners and I'd be happy to continue talking over there.
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I have amended my post after my wording implied that urinating on a memorial was "anything but scummy", while I was talking about the removal of Colston's statue. My profuse apologies for the confusion.
To clarify, removal of statue - not scummy. Urination - absolutely vile and I am incredibly angry about it.
Middle of a pandemic and the fat mess in his teenager's trainers is either so inebriated he can't clock it or just doesn't care.
Keith Palmer was one of our own and the epitome of what is good about this country who gave his life protecting it....the people fighting people like Keith Palmer yesterday and this cunt pissing next to his memorial are the polar opposite as are the scum element on the other side who also wreaked violence yesterday and last week.
Truly despairing this is unfolding in London 2020 and a lot of people need to have a long hard look at themselves including the utter shitstain fat mug spraying his rancid stella fuelled piss over the memorial of a proper hero and Charlton fan at that.
Scum.
Anyway, there's nothing in the picture of his disgraceful action that suggests he's a racist. That's a conclusion that could, possibly, be drawn from evidence he gives in a court case. We shouldn't make assumptions.
And, in order to ensure we don't make assumptions, here's a picture that was, apparently, taken the same day, showing him in far happier times.
Different socks
Pissing on the Palace of Westminster, one of our most famous historic buildings, yeah no problem.
God bless you PC Palmer, you’d be truly ashamed of some Londoners actions over the last week.
I have to admit that your "reasonable cynicism" is reasonable and a good debate.
Perhaps scummy is the wrong word, but I certainly think pulling down statues does the genuine cause of BLM no favours. The real risk is that the principle of BLM is overtaken by the marxist position its "organised" structure advocates, which is far more dangerous.
And to all the people saying it was a minority.....give me a break! From what I saw it seemed like approaching at least half of that mob were looking for a violent confrontation.
What is is up with our riot police? And what is the point of those short little batons they were armed with? They are the laughing stock of the world this morning. Unable to control a few hundred drunken thugs for the entire day!
Where is the condemnation? The establishment/ Twitter voices and media have quite rightfully highlighted the disgraceful scenes from some of the far right yesterday - they were sickening - but unless or until the aforementioned start to treat and report on these events more objectively, it will continue to build resentment.
I read a decent sky news report yesterday, which did highlight some accurate facts - it was a minority of the far right and there were other groups involved. But you had to really search for it and it doesn’t appear to represent 99% of what I’m seeing today.
Happy to be proved wrong, as we all miss things.
5. He may have been, as you say, drunk.
Five, chargeable offences.
Why does the media have to couch a report about someone breaking several laws, by reporting, in the same story, other crimes? What this horrible little man did was wrong. The fact that other wrong things happen, doesn't make his pathetic behaviour any more or less acceptable.
I do find the one sided selective reporting of events concerning too. Feel very uncomfortable with that and does not speak of balance and just fuels the idiots narrative.
Saw some horrific videos of violent mob attacks on individuals including one alleged throat slashing in Trafalgar square which does not seem to be garnering anywhere near the same attention as this prick pissing. It should be equally reported and condemned by anyone decent.
As i said in my post above they are all mindless scum and need to all sort themselves out.
As Gary says too the fact this is all occurring in the middle of the worst pandemic the country has seen in over a century and potentially risking the lives of innocent people and the protraction of the virus is very wrong too.