Was out this afternoon so just caught up with the highlights on Sky.
Labuchange was dropped twice & also caught off a no ball. When you only score 67 & are over 100 runs behind you dpnt give their best batsman 3 lives..!!!
All over now. We will have to chase 350+ & will probably be all over tomorrow.....latest sunday lunchtime.
As someone said earlier.....if that is the case & the Ashes are gone then the last 2 matches should be used to blood a few new players.
Don't know where we go, as the players just aren't there and all the ECB care about is their 100.
No idea who takes over, but Root needs to step down as Captain. He's clearly burnt out, and we need him to concentrate on his batting.
Agreed, been like it for a while. We can all see Roy isn't a test match opener, Denly isn't good enough and we don't have a good enough spinner, but who comes in? If the players aren't there, not much we can do.
Maybe we should be happy, we are World Champions at least.
Something needs to change quickly. We’ve got our tickets for Newlands and Port Elizabeth. Although actually, never seen us lose overseas (Oz 2011, SA 2015, St Lucia 2019)
After his his performance and effort yesterday, could stokes be captain?
Something needs to change quickly. We’ve got our tickets for Newlands and Port Elizabeth. Although actually, never seen us lose overseas (Oz 2011, SA 2015, St Lucia 2019)
After his his performance and effort yesterday, could stokes be captain?
I think Stokes would be worth a go, Root needs to go back to 4 and just get back to batting, he is our best batsman.
Serious period of introspection required. Winning would have papered over some serious cracks in this test side.
Smith got lucky last summer in selecting Buttler and he managed to smash a few runs against weaker sides from down the order. Lightening hasn't struck twice.
Question marks over every position from 1-8. Except Root and Stokes, Burns has done enough to earn a bit more time, woakes is a very good player but feel he needs a rest after the world cup - just isn't looking the same player. Bairstow is probably in that group too but I would wanna send him a message that he's not undroppable and isn't good enough to dictate his role. No one is bigger than the team, you bat where is best for the team.
Burns Cawley Sibley Root Pope Stokes Foakes Curran (or Jimmy if fit) Archer Broad Leach
Broad or Jimmy to captain for now but I would like burns to do it in a year or so.
Serious period of introspection required. Winning would have papered over some serious cracks in this test side.
Smith got lucky last summer in selecting Buttler and he managed to smash a few runs against weaker sides from down the order. Lightening hasn't struck twice.
Question marks over every position from 1-8. Except Root and Stokes, Burns has done enough to earn a bit more time, woakes is a very good player but feel he needs a rest after the world cup - just isn't looking the same player. Bairstow is probably in that group too but I would wanna send him a message that he's not undroppable and isn't good enough to dictate his role. No one is bigger than the team, you bat where is best for the team.
Burns Cawley Sibley Root Pope Stokes Foakes Curran (or Jimmy if fit) Archer Broad Leach
Broad or Jimmy to captain for now but I would like burns to do it in a year or so.
i agree with the changes but i dont think whoever comes in can solve this issue. they dont have the right mentality for test match cricket. they need a red ball coach to start off with and to play more red ball cricket. that wont happen just like the triumphant world cup win wont be built on. the ECB are too bothered about this hundred bullshit.
Serious period of introspection required. Winning would have papered over some serious cracks in this test side.
Smith got lucky last summer in selecting Buttler and he managed to smash a few runs against weaker sides from down the order. Lightening hasn't struck twice.
Question marks over every position from 1-8. Except Root and Stokes, Burns has done enough to earn a bit more time, woakes is a very good player but feel he needs a rest after the world cup - just isn't looking the same player. Bairstow is probably in that group too but I would wanna send him a message that he's not undroppable and isn't good enough to dictate his role. No one is bigger than the team, you bat where is best for the team.
Burns Cawley Sibley Root Pope Stokes Foakes Curran (or Jimmy if fit) Archer Broad Leach
Broad or Jimmy to captain for now but I would like burns to do it in a year or so.
The only difference to my team is denly for Crawley. I would give denly the summer. If this team is picked (the selectors haven’t got the balls) then the young batsman should be given at least until the end of the winter unless they are in Roy sort of form.
i would also have sibley open and Crawley at 3 as sibley has more first class experience.
i don’t follow county cricket closely, what happened to duckett
Serious period of introspection required. Winning would have papered over some serious cracks in this test side.
Smith got lucky last summer in selecting Buttler and he managed to smash a few runs against weaker sides from down the order. Lightening hasn't struck twice.
Question marks over every position from 1-8. Except Root and Stokes, Burns has done enough to earn a bit more time, woakes is a very good player but feel he needs a rest after the world cup - just isn't looking the same player. Bairstow is probably in that group too but I would wanna send him a message that he's not undroppable and isn't good enough to dictate his role. No one is bigger than the team, you bat where is best for the team.
Burns Cawley Sibley Root Pope Stokes Foakes Curran (or Jimmy if fit) Archer Broad Leach
Broad or Jimmy to captain for now but I would like burns to do it in a year or so.
Great post.
I went through the team yesterday and came up with, what I though was, a good reason that none of them should be captain.
Has there ever been such a confused selection of a batting lineup in test match history? Regardless of if the top 7 are the best 7 in the country (quite obviously they aren't) only 2 of them are batting in the right place.
3 or 4, if not more, have had their careers either ruined or hindered because they don't have a clue where they are batting or what their job is with the ball. The man managment has been shocking. Who ever the new coach is has to have some very harsh and honest 1-2-1s with the likes of Stokes, Bairstow and Ali as to how they see them selves as players, how they are seen as players and on what criteria they are going to be picked, or not picked, in the future.
I said go with the same team after Edgbaston but its got to change, and change fast. The team I would pick for Old Trafford would be:
I follow cricket but not in the detail of some on here. What appears to have happened is our performance in the two forms of cricket have reversed in the last 4 years. As a consequence we can score quickly but not build patient innings in the long game.
It's a bit like the bad old days of us playing 5 day plodders in the 1 day game. Now it's the reverse. I fear for test match cricket as new players understandably chase the money available in big bash and ipl. Sad times. Sigh. Back to the sunbed before cheering on the lads from afar this pm.
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Not with this team sadly
Labuchange was dropped twice & also caught off a no ball. When you only score 67 & are over 100 runs behind you dpnt give their best batsman 3 lives..!!!
All over now. We will have to chase 350+ & will probably be all over tomorrow.....latest sunday lunchtime.
As someone said earlier.....if that is the case & the Ashes are gone then the last 2 matches should be used to blood a few new players.
England batsmen, we’re coming for you!!!
Don't know where we go, as the players just aren't there and all the ECB care about is their 100.
No idea who takes over, but Root needs to step down as Captain. He's clearly burnt out, and we need him to concentrate on his batting.
Maybe we should be happy, we are World Champions at least.
After his his performance and effort yesterday, could stokes be captain?
I think Stokes would be worth a go, Root needs to go back to 4 and just get back to batting, he is our best batsman.
Serious period of introspection required. Winning would have papered over some serious cracks in this test side.
Smith got lucky last summer in selecting Buttler and he managed to smash a few runs against weaker sides from down the order. Lightening hasn't struck twice.
Question marks over every position from 1-8. Except Root and Stokes, Burns has done enough to earn a bit more time, woakes is a very good player but feel he needs a rest after the world cup - just isn't looking the same player. Bairstow is probably in that group too but I would wanna send him a message that he's not undroppable and isn't good enough to dictate his role. No one is bigger than the team, you bat where is best for the team.
Burns
Cawley
Sibley
Root
Pope
Stokes
Foakes
Curran (or Jimmy if fit)
Archer
Broad
Leach
Broad or Jimmy to captain for now but I would like burns to do it in a year or so.
After we lose this match would be happy with the team Canters has posted for rest of series and winter tests.
Presumably because they don’t go flashing their bat around off stump. Maybe they are the sort of player we need to open
i would also have sibley open and Crawley at 3 as sibley has more first class experience.
i don’t follow county cricket closely, what happened to duckett
I went through the team yesterday and came up with, what I though was, a good reason that none of them should be captain.
Has there ever been such a confused selection of a batting lineup in test match history? Regardless of if the top 7 are the best 7 in the country (quite obviously they aren't) only 2 of them are batting in the right place.
3 or 4, if not more, have had their careers either ruined or hindered because they don't have a clue where they are batting or what their job is with the ball. The man managment has been shocking. Who ever the new coach is has to have some very harsh and honest 1-2-1s with the likes of Stokes, Bairstow and Ali as to how they see them selves as players, how they are seen as players and on what criteria they are going to be picked, or not picked, in the future.
I said go with the same team after Edgbaston but its got to change, and change fast. The team I would pick for Old Trafford would be:
Burns
Crawley
Sibley
Root
Pope
Stokes (c)
Bairstow (w)
Woakes
Archer
Broad
Leech
Woakes has to take the new ball BTW.
It's a bit like the bad old days of us playing 5 day plodders in the 1 day game. Now it's the reverse. I fear for test match cricket as new players understandably chase the money available in big bash and ipl. Sad times. Sigh. Back to the sunbed before cheering on the lads from afar this pm.
Graham Thorpe said England will not make wholesale changes to their side for the final two Tests.
"We've got to keep working with these players because these are the best players we have," he told TMS.