I only caught the end having been ignorant of the start time which I thought was going to be around 12noon not 11.30.
Went back on-line tonight to find the something like full 30 minute interview on Talksport only to find that I could only bear to listen to it in brief snippets - it was that painful to hear. The bit about Chris Wilder was quite surreal and reminded me of the Meire claim about Varney wanting to take the club away from The Valley - how can they say such things and get away with it?
Those who know my postings will recognise that I'm not ITK and have little business knowledge - I could never aspire to write a Grapevine type post or understand the intricacies of the Club in the way Rick does so I often just try to find some kind of warped humour in my postings but I think tonight and after listening to that I'm as depressed and empty as I have ever been as a Charlton fan (since 1962).
I know we will emerge from this awful experience one day and I know that CARD/CAST/ROT/WAR will never give up just as the fight to get back to The Valley was ultimately successful.
But just maybe today, with Duchatelet's words illustrating yet again a total misunderstanding of well everything really, he has perhaps taken us as low as it is possible to go and I can find no humour in that.
So he got rid of Powell because Powell wasn’t enthusiastic enough about the players sent by Roland’s analysts. Yet when Riga came in, he didn’t use those players either.
And he decided not to keep Riga because he wanted to bring in someone who knew the English game (Peeters) and Riga is a family man who was away from his family when managing Charlton.
Credit to JW as he went to the game after RD not responding to JW's asking for a reply and JW took the trouble of coming down to the Valley, speaking to fans and getting a full understanding of some of what the issues were long before interviewing RD.
And with that knowledge and background I’m a tad disappointed White didn’t take the clear bait in challenging and dubunking with more intensity what Duchâtelet was providing.
However, learning that they had what seemed like a pre-arranged lunch together post interview suggests this was always going to be more of platform interview than a ‘take to task’.
Credit to JW as he went to the game after RD not responding to JW's asking for a reply and JW took the trouble of coming down to the Valley, speaking to fans and getting a full understanding of some of what the issues were long before interviewing RD.
And with that knowledge and background I’m a tad disappointed White didn’t take the clear bait in challenging and dubunking with more intensity what Duchâtelet was providing.
However, learning that they had what seemed like a pre-arranged lunch together post interview suggests this was always going to be more of platform interview than a ‘take to task’.
I did think this, but after sleeping on it, it was probably best to let Roland hang himself with his own words. Intentional or not. Make no mistake, he has done so. The big issue is, he is so deluded, he may not realise. He has lost the experienced staff who would be able to tell him so.
As for the players brought in under Powell - Riga didn't use them as correctly stated above, but Duchatelet went on Belgian TV to say they kept us up! Now, you might get a liar telling his lies when it is hard to prove otherwise, but this compulsive liar says things that can be checked and disproved easily. He probably relies on nobody, outside of Charlton fans, being that interested in Charlton to check the truth behind his lies.
But we are not even talking interpretation here - we are talking bare faced lies. Not sure how anybody would want to do business with such a personality!
Credit to JW as he went to the game after RD not responding to JW's asking for a reply and JW took the trouble of coming down to the Valley, speaking to fans and getting a full understanding of some of what the issues were long before interviewing RD.
And with that knowledge and background I’m a tad disappointed White didn’t take the clear bait in challenging and dubunking with more intensity what Duchâtelet was providing.
However, learning that they had what seemed like a pre-arranged lunch together post interview suggests this was always going to be more of platform interview than a ‘take to task’.
Couldn't agree more.
Very easy for us Charlton fans to pick up on Roland's lies, but without robust challenges from White I doubt the neutral listener would've learnt much from the interview, and certainly not the depth of mismanagement at the club. TBH the bit where RD got White to meekly read out his hand chosen passages set my teeth on edge, as did the chummy, chummy post interview dinner situation.
To cap it all White then thanked the response from all the Charlton fans ringing in, but rather than actually take their calls turned to some ex Arsenal player to fill the Talksport airways with the usual drivel.
Finally got round to listening to the interview and what a load of old tosh. The bloke is totally deluded and completely out of touch with the truth. And to blame it all on poor communication well, excuse the pun, I'm lost for words.
As always it was everybody else's fault the communications team, the record breaking coach who wouldn't take advice from a nerd lols, the protests where we beat teams as the underdog, the fans who put Wilder off coming, yeah righto.
Meanwhile back in the real world the old scrote has just shown himself up for what he is, a weird, failed visionary who cant swallow his pride and just walk away from a disastrous venture into English football due to an insufficient hands on approach. Thereby delegating abdicating his responsibilities to a SMT not fit for purpose.
I know your minions feed you snippets from here Roland so my best advice is stop lingering like a bad smell, sell the club at the turn of the year at whatever you can get for it as the price doesn't matter (your words not mine) does it?
Credit to JW as he went to the game after RD not responding to JW's asking for a reply and JW took the trouble of coming down to the Valley, speaking to fans and getting a full understanding of some of what the issues were long before interviewing RD.
And with that knowledge and background I’m a tad disappointed White didn’t take the clear bait in challenging and dubunking with more intensity what Duchâtelet was providing.
However, learning that they had what seemed like a pre-arranged lunch together post interview suggests this was always going to be more of platform interview than a ‘take to task’.
I did think this, but after sleeping on it, it was probably best to let Roland hang himself with his own words. Intentional or not. Make no mistake, he has done so. The big issue is, he is so deluded, he may not realise. He has lost the experienced staff who would be able to tell him so.
As for the players brought in under Powell - Riga didn't use them as correctly stated above, but Duchatelet went on Belgian TV to say they kept us up! Now, you might get a liar telling his lies when it is hard to prove otherwise, but this compulsive liar says things that can be checked and disproved easily. He probably relies on nobody, outside of Charlton fans, being that interested in Charlton to check the truth behind his lies.
But we are not even talking interpretation here - we are talking bare faced lies. Not sure how anybody would want to do business with such a personality!
Sadly he's probably right though, how many non-CAFC fans will bother to fact check what they heard yesterday?
To those who don't know the facts, I imagine RD came across quite well.
Got a lot of admiration for Roland doing that interview and telling it like it is.
Any moron can see that CARD have been responsible for relegation, incompetent senior management, players that are not fit for purpose, a reduction in attendances, the training ground being built at a snail's pace, BREXIT and @bertpalmer's survey being taken down.
Our so called fans also have a lot to answer for accepting mind bending drugs from CARD which allowed CARD to make those fans accept everything they said and simply follow CARD like sheep (baaa).
A lot of posters on here can't seem to accept that Roland's experiment will succeed whether that be 50 or 7,000 years in to the future; we just have to be patient.
There can be no doubt that we are in safe hands and I welcome the upcoming announcement (leaked from a very reliable source) that our new CEO will be Jim White.
I think Heather did brilliantly last night - and she was given a chance to respond to be fair. It felt she was being rushed but she nailed every point she could in the time given with applomb. It was like I say rushed and on Talk Sport 2 though. Having put the Duchatelet interview out there, and I think it is a positive development that it is out there, and there being facts to prove the lies. I think the next step for Jim White is to make an item that provides the evidence debunking every point Duchatelet made. Not hearsay, but facts that are avialable and we can help by providing him.
That wouldn't be taking sides - the evidence is there. Whether he does it or not remains to be seen - but I feel he is on our side (to be honest, who wouldn't be given the facts). I think it then adds extra weight to the interview. I mean everything Roland said was a lie - not 50% of it, everything! If Jim had asked him his name he would have probably have said Tom! Maybe we could request he reads a short statement from us, which debunks every point. That would close it off nicely.
These were the main points he made - have I missed any?
No interference with managers - leaked E-mail evidence proves this is a blatant lie Protests relegated the team - Statistical evidence We only got relegated by a few points - Statistical evidence Wilder didn't join us because of the fans - Would be good to put that question directly to Wilder - we have statements from the press and a friend of his showing this is wrong The comms team were to blame - For not wanting to put out incendiary comments that would anger fans - isn't that what they are there to do. An experienced head of Comms resigned because he wouldn't listen to her - this created an even bigger wedge between owner and fans! The price isn't an issue - We all know the price, which is significantly more than what he paid for the club, despite all the damage he has done to it. The bonus issue - He may be correct legally - that is for a court to decide, not us. But if you are led to believe you have performance targets that relate to a bonus that you believe you have met - surely it is a big management breakdown if that is suddenly not the case. It only serves to use something designed to incentivise staff, to demoralise them!
I don't think wilder will speak on this, why would he? He can't exactly say, 'I was using Charlton as a stalking horse to get interest stoked up from Sheff Utd.' He doesn't come out of speaking about this looking well to anyone but us.
As said above, Jim White is not an investigative journalist so it's not in his interest to probe, but that does beg the question - why? Again, outside Charlton fans, and a handful of sympathetic fans like those of Blackpool and Cov, who cares about a bland interview with RD other than us?
He didn't do it for the ratings, so in my mind he had no reason not to push and refute some of the more obvious lies.
How anyone listens to talksport regularly with those ads is beyond me, you must be very patient!
We don't need a statement from Wilder - somebody just needs to ask him whether the fans had anything to do with him not joining Charlton. He only has to say yes or no. I think he might manage to do that if asked the question.
I don't think wilder will speak on this, why would he? He can't exactly say, 'I was using Charlton as a stalking horse to get interest stoked up from Sheff Utd.' He doesn't come out of speaking about this looking well to anyone but us.
As said above, Jim White is not an investigative journalist so it's not in his interest to probe, but that does beg the question - why? Again, outside Charlton fans, and a handful of sympathetic fans like those of Blackpool and Cov, who cares about a bland interview with RD other than us?
He didn't do it for the ratings, so in my mind he had no reason not to push and refute some of the more obvious lies.
How anyone listens to talksport regularly with those ads is beyond me, you must be very patient!
Talksport is in love with the Premiership and celebrity.
RD revealed he will sell if the club get promoted to the Championship:
He also revealed buyers are still interested in the club and that he would happily walk away from Charlton THIS YEAR, if they gain promotion back to the Championship.
So it all sort of makes sense now. The Aussies came over for the play-offs last season, we lost, and therefore they haven't bought the club. Mystery solved.
So the twunt is not selling (because the price wont be met) until we get promotion , I mean seriously did they really expect promotion from the play offs, even our numerous deluded blinnkered fans would have had their doubts .
Even my optimistic pre first leg numbers had us as a near 1 in 3 chance
We don't need a statement from Wilder - somebody just needs to ask him whether the fans had anything to do with him not joining Charlton. He only has to say yes or no. I think he might manage to do that if asked the question.
Why would Wilder want to get involved at all? We ain't his problem. Duchatelet was probably fed some old guff by Meire, when the manager he "discovered" joined up with SheffU. and didn't want to manage us because of the fans. This was probably substantiated with a few cut and paste screen shots sent to her by some of the more odd people of our fan base.
I'm sure he wouldn't seek to get involved, but if asked the question, he may answer it. He may not, but it isn't an unreasonable assumption he might give a yes or no answer.
Jim didnt really pin him down on any of the claims RD threw at him. He only needed to have the stats for 2016 relegation to see the protests were never a factor on how the season panned out, for example winning 2 of the games which had active protests.
It was likely a stipulation of the interview that JW wasnt allowed to force any points he made back at him or something.
Wow. was anybody at all expecting a different result? Even after a leaked soundbite in which he said he was sorry, there was never a moment when I expected anything other than more lies from RD. I had no intention of listening to the interview - why would I waste my time when the guy can't give an honest answer to anything at all. the only thing I want to hear about RD is that he is leaving, and even then, I'd prefer a different source than the man who gave us Katrien and Karel, and still thinks relegation was because of the fans.
Let's make no mistake this was another good PR exercise by us. My Portsmouth supporting mate listened on i-player. To be fair he would have known more about it than your average fan because he hears me going on about it. He is sympathetic but I suspect like most neutrals always thinks my version is one sided and I exaggerate. Anyway he listened to it as he said it would be the first time he would have heard him speak. He listened and kept texting me during the interview, He was gobsmacked and although I could list all his comments I will just quote one "God I'm still listening. Jesus this bloke is totally bonkers" "Don't listen".
Let's face it, if Jim was planning to put a serious argument together to combat some of this mad man's claims and give him a bit of a rough ride Duchatelet would never have agreed to do it in the first place. TBH that wasn't really needed as again Duchatelet kicks himself in the bollox with another of his ill thought out PR exercises.
The interview discussed at length this morning on TalkSPORT,with Simon Jordan & Bob Mills,with Jordan backing our fans & describing RD's views as absolute 'tosh'.
We should be grateful that Jim White gave airtime to a Third tier football club as we live in the era of the Champions League and the elite Premier League and screw the majority of EFL clubs Getting Roland Duchatelet to speak on a national if dubious quality radio station with more adverts than listeners was still a decent effort. The fact that he confirmed that he or someone close monitors the postings of CL and ROT/CARD/VOTV etc are interesting as it's good that he checks up on his naughty children. So many porkies but to say the price he sells at doesn't matter is utter Flemish fuckery and Walloon wankery because his own Giant eccentric Ego won't let him sell before it reaches a upwardly mobile Championship price and not the price for a mid table League 1 club where we find ourselves under his toss ridden tenure.
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Went back on-line tonight to find the something like full 30 minute interview on Talksport only to find that I could only bear to listen to it in brief snippets - it was that painful to hear. The bit about Chris Wilder was quite surreal and reminded me of the Meire claim about Varney wanting to take the club away from The Valley - how can they say such things and get away with it?
Those who know my postings will recognise that I'm not ITK and have little business knowledge - I could never aspire to write a Grapevine type post or understand the intricacies of the Club in the way Rick does so I often just try to find some kind of warped humour in my postings but I think tonight and after listening to that I'm as depressed and empty as I have ever been as a Charlton fan (since 1962).
I know we will emerge from this awful experience one day and I know that CARD/CAST/ROT/WAR will never give up just as the fight to get back to The Valley was ultimately successful.
But just maybe today, with Duchatelet's words illustrating yet again a total misunderstanding of well everything really, he has perhaps taken us as low as it is possible to go and I can find no humour in that.
When asked what the price was responded it didn't matter.
Guy is a moron.
And he decided not to keep Riga because he wanted to bring in someone who knew the English game (Peeters) and Riga is a family man who was away from his family when managing Charlton.
Yet just a bit earlier he said he got rid of Powell because he wasn’t enthusiastic enough about the players he had been sent.
While it may have been a “suggestion” it was clearly an expectation that Roland’s players would be picked to play.
However, learning that they had what seemed like a pre-arranged lunch together post interview suggests this was always going to be more of platform interview than a ‘take to task’.
Look forward to reading/hearing Heather's piece.
Go Weegie !
As for the players brought in under Powell - Riga didn't use them as correctly stated above, but Duchatelet went on Belgian TV to say they kept us up! Now, you might get a liar telling his lies when it is hard to prove otherwise, but this compulsive liar says things that can be checked and disproved easily. He probably relies on nobody, outside of Charlton fans, being that interested in Charlton to check the truth behind his lies.
But we are not even talking interpretation here - we are talking bare faced lies. Not sure how anybody would want to do business with such a personality!
Very easy for us Charlton fans to pick up on Roland's lies, but without robust challenges from White I doubt the neutral listener would've learnt much from the interview, and certainly not the depth of mismanagement at the club. TBH the bit where RD got White to meekly read out his hand chosen passages set my teeth on edge, as did the chummy, chummy post interview dinner situation.
To cap it all White then thanked the response from all the Charlton fans ringing in, but rather than actually take their calls turned to some ex Arsenal player to fill the Talksport airways with the usual drivel.
As always it was everybody else's fault the communications team, the record breaking coach who wouldn't take advice from a nerd lols, the protests where we beat teams as the underdog, the fans who put Wilder off coming, yeah righto.
Meanwhile back in the real world the old scrote has just shown himself up for what he is, a weird, failed visionary who cant swallow his pride and just walk away from a disastrous venture into English football due to an insufficient hands on approach. Thereby
delegatingabdicating his responsibilities to a SMT not fit for purpose.I know your minions feed you snippets from here Roland so my best advice is stop lingering like a bad smell, sell the club at the turn of the year at whatever you can get for it as the price doesn't matter (your words not mine) does it?
Enough is enough 😡.
To those who don't know the facts, I imagine RD came across quite well.
Any moron can see that CARD have been responsible for relegation, incompetent senior management, players that are not fit for purpose, a reduction in attendances, the training ground being built at a snail's pace, BREXIT and @bertpalmer's survey being taken down.
Our so called fans also have a lot to answer for accepting mind bending drugs from CARD which allowed CARD to make those fans accept everything they said and simply follow CARD like sheep (baaa).
A lot of posters on here can't seem to accept that Roland's experiment will succeed whether that be 50 or 7,000 years in to the future; we just have to be patient.
There can be no doubt that we are in safe hands and I welcome the upcoming announcement (leaked from a very reliable source) that our new CEO will be Jim White.
That wouldn't be taking sides - the evidence is there. Whether he does it or not remains to be seen - but I feel he is on our side (to be honest, who wouldn't be given the facts). I think it then adds extra weight to the interview. I mean everything Roland said was a lie - not 50% of it, everything! If Jim had asked him his name he would have probably have said Tom! Maybe we could request he reads a short statement from us, which debunks every point. That would close it off nicely.
No interference with managers - leaked E-mail evidence proves this is a blatant lie
Protests relegated the team - Statistical evidence
We only got relegated by a few points - Statistical evidence
Wilder didn't join us because of the fans - Would be good to put that question directly to Wilder - we have statements from the press and a friend of his showing this is wrong
The comms team were to blame - For not wanting to put out incendiary comments that would anger fans - isn't that what they are there to do. An experienced head of Comms resigned because he wouldn't listen to her - this created an even bigger wedge between owner and fans!
The price isn't an issue - We all know the price, which is significantly more than what he paid for the club, despite all the damage he has done to it.
The bonus issue - He may be correct legally - that is for a court to decide, not us. But if you are led to believe you have performance targets that relate to a bonus that you believe you have met - surely it is a big management breakdown if that is suddenly not the case. It only serves to use something designed to incentivise staff, to demoralise them!
As said above, Jim White is not an investigative journalist so it's not in his interest to probe, but that does beg the question - why? Again, outside Charlton fans, and a handful of sympathetic fans like those of Blackpool and Cov, who cares about a bland interview with RD other than us?
He didn't do it for the ratings, so in my mind he had no reason not to push and refute some of the more obvious lies.
How anyone listens to talksport regularly with those ads is beyond me, you must be very patient!
Even my optimistic pre first leg numbers had us as a near 1 in 3 chance before reality set in and League One beckoned
Duchatelet was probably fed some old guff by Meire, when the manager he "discovered" joined up with SheffU. and didn't want to manage us because of the fans. This was probably substantiated with a few cut and paste screen shots sent to her by some of the more odd people of our fan base.
It was likely a stipulation of the interview that JW wasnt allowed to force any points he made back at him or something.
Anyway he listened to it as he said it would be the first time he would have heard him speak. He listened and kept texting me during the interview, He was gobsmacked and although I could list all his comments I will just quote one
"God I'm still listening. Jesus this bloke is totally bonkers" "Don't listen".
TBH that wasn't really needed as again Duchatelet kicks himself in the bollox with another of his ill thought out PR exercises.
Getting Roland Duchatelet to speak on a national if dubious quality radio station with more adverts than listeners was still a decent effort.
The fact that he confirmed that he or someone close monitors the postings of CL and ROT/CARD/VOTV etc are interesting as it's good that he checks up on his naughty children.
So many porkies but to say the price he sells at doesn't matter is utter Flemish fuckery and Walloon wankery because his own Giant eccentric Ego won't let him sell before it reaches a upwardly mobile Championship price and not the price for a mid table League 1 club where we find ourselves under his toss ridden tenure.