Congratulations to a Charlton side that left a lot of people disgusted upon seeing the team sheet!!
Need to judge a team come the result not before the game has started
I understand that people will be annoyed with Roland / the Aussies for not strengthening the squad this summer yet it's not the players nor Bowyers fault
To be fair to those who were critical, looking at the teamsheet that is not a team strong enough to contest the League, League Cup, and Check-a-Whatever between now and January (let alone the whole season). One-off results are great, but as has been the case with RD teams literally every season, it's about being able to maintain those results over the course of a season. And this league wears even the deepest teams down.
Second, it's worth remembering we absolutely tore Ipswich to shreds at this stage last season, 6-1. That was our best performance of the season. And we had some good performances the first month or two of the season but again, we just weren't able to maintain that level.
It's a good result in a pre-season friendly, nothing more and nothing less. And I am increasingly convinced that Bowyer is going to get more than the sum of its parts out of this team. But that doesn't make Reeco a viable first-choice center forward week-in, week-out in this league. It doesn't make Lapslie ready to step into the breach out wide. And it doesn't invent a reserve left back.
As you say, none of this is Bowyer's fault, but don't let a good result let us forget where this squad is, unfortunately.
If you believe rumours, young lad from Newcastle joining on loan
Freddy Woodman won the best goalkeeper award as @England under-21s won the Toulon Tournament this summer.
I believe he started at Palace
Freddy Woodman is Gareth Southgate's Godson and son of Andy Woodman who was CAFC Goal keeping coach when Darren Randolph and that well known charlton fan, Rob Elliott were our keepers.
As a youngster Freddy, was playing for Palace and when Andy got the Newcastle job the whole family relocated to the north east and Freddie Woodman has been at Newcastle ever since. Was on loan at killmarnock and Aberdeen last season.
At 21 and having been England's keeper from U16-U21 with 56 apps wouldn't be coming to be a number 2 in League 1.
Think Dillon is an effective shot stopper. The problem is distribution. The dilemma is do we sign someone like Woodman as a number one or a lesser keeper.
My concern is about the experience of Dillon and AMB.
Woodman played 5 times for Abderdeen last season and 14 for Kilmarnock the season before, not got anymore expiernce than Phillips
I would be happy with Phillips / Woodman. It is AMB as number two that is a concern. He needs a loan to play first team football.
If you believe rumours, young lad from Newcastle joining on loan
Freddy Woodman won the best goalkeeper award as @England under-21s won the Toulon Tournament this summer.
I believe he started at Palace
Freddy Woodman is Gareth Southgate's Godson and son of Andy Woodman who was CAFC Goal keeping coach when Darren Randolph and that well known charlton fan, Rob Elliott were our keepers.
As a youngster Freddy, was playing for Palace and when Andy got the Newcastle job the whole family relocated to the north east and Freddie Woodman has been at Newcastle ever since. Was on loan at killmarnock and Aberdeen last season.
At 21 and having been England's keeper from U16-U21 with 56 apps wouldn't be coming to be a number 2 in League 1.
Exactly. I think really, really highly of Woodman, and in some ways I'd love to have him here because, as with DaSilva, I think he's someone who can really grow and who we could potentially get on loan again next season if we go up (big, big if mind).
But we have a young, inexperienced keeper already. It's not like bringing in Declan Rudd or Ben Amos, very experienced goalkeepers for this level where you know what you're going to get.
And it's a move that would kick Phillips to the curb. At this stage, any keeper we bring in there is a risk of usurping Phillips, and thus us losing Phillips, but that risk doesn't seem worth it to be for an untested at club level, albeit it very promising, 21-year-old from another club. The only way that makes sense to me is that if the coaching staff feel that Dillon just isn't good enough.
As I said to FAV What dis he do wrong today Poor kicking but did that hold Kiely back.
And 3 quality saves in the last 10 minutes.
I just dont understand how people can say he is not good enough without giving him a chance.
Every time a ball was played back to him he panicked , shanked balls out of play, made passes behind players. In a higher intensity league game he will gift other teams goals due to lack of ability of being able to kick straight and make the right decisions. Not denying he made some good saves but you need a keeper that is solid in all areas. He's not and could become a liability in his kicking
All the saves Phillips made you would expect a good keeper to make, none were world class but he did his job. Every kick went out for a throw or to a Norwich player. He rolled the ball out twice to Pearce and Page who were both closely marked because he didn’t have the confidence to kick it. His kicking and his confidence levels with the ball at his feet suggests we need to look at alternatives
As I said to FAV What dis he do wrong today Poor kicking but did that hold Kiely back.
And 3 quality saves in the last 10 minutes.
I just dont understand how people can say he is not good enough without giving him a chance.
Every time a ball was played back to him he panicked , shanked balls out of play, made passes behind players. In a higher intensity league game he will gift other teams goals due to lack of ability of being able to kick straight and make the right decisions. Not denying he made some good saves but you need a keeper that is solid in all areas. He's not and could become a liability in his kicking
That sounds like a pretty accurate description of Dean Kiely, at his best. So if he's anywhere near as good as that, he'll be a great player for Charlton.
I seem to recall Amos getting a fair amount of stick about his distribution last season. Must be par for the course being the Charlton keeper no matter how good you are between the sticks.
So if you're not a ball playing, Pirlo defence splitting passer of a ball DO NOT accept the job if Bowyer comes calling set your sights on non league as we are hard to please.
People talking about Phillips does my head in. If you want a keeper who makes great saves and has the attributes that make up a good keeper, he is your man.
No, he isn’t great with his feet, his distribution could be better. But are we Man City or Barcelona? No. Do we need a keeper who is like Neuer and can play out field? No. We are in League One for Christ sakes, we need a keeper who is going to keep the ball out the net against opposition teams. Phillips can do that.
And yes I was at The Valley today and if you tell me he isn’t a good keeper then you’re either foolish or you ignore the great saves he made and focusing on the parts of his game that he can work on.
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Second, it's worth remembering we absolutely tore Ipswich to shreds at this stage last season, 6-1. That was our best performance of the season. And we had some good performances the first month or two of the season but again, we just weren't able to maintain that level.
It's a good result in a pre-season friendly, nothing more and nothing less. And I am increasingly convinced that Bowyer is going to get more than the sum of its parts out of this team. But that doesn't make Reeco a viable first-choice center forward week-in, week-out in this league. It doesn't make Lapslie ready to step into the breach out wide. And it doesn't invent a reserve left back.
As you say, none of this is Bowyer's fault, but don't let a good result let us forget where this squad is, unfortunately.
As a youngster Freddy, was playing for Palace and when Andy got the Newcastle job the whole family relocated to the north east and Freddie Woodman has been at Newcastle ever since. Was on loan at killmarnock and Aberdeen last season.
At 21 and having been England's keeper from U16-U21 with 56 apps wouldn't be coming to be a number 2 in League 1.
Nothing changes.....
But we have a young, inexperienced keeper already. It's not like bringing in Declan Rudd or Ben Amos, very experienced goalkeepers for this level where you know what you're going to get.
And it's a move that would kick Phillips to the curb. At this stage, any keeper we bring in there is a risk of usurping Phillips, and thus us losing Phillips, but that risk doesn't seem worth it to be for an untested at club level, albeit it very promising, 21-year-old from another club. The only way that makes sense to me is that if the coaching staff feel that Dillon just isn't good enough.
What dis he do wrong today
Poor kicking but did that hold Kiely back.
And 3 quality saves in the last 10 minutes.
I just dont understand how people can say he is not good enough without giving him a chance.
So if you're not a ball playing, Pirlo defence splitting passer of a ball DO NOT accept the job if Bowyer comes calling set your sights on non league as we are hard to please.
No, he isn’t great with his feet, his distribution could be better. But are we Man City or Barcelona? No. Do we need a keeper who is like Neuer and can play out field? No. We are in League One for Christ sakes, we need a keeper who is going to keep the ball out the net against opposition teams. Phillips can do that.
And yes I was at The Valley today and if you tell me he isn’t a good keeper then you’re either foolish or you ignore the great saves he made and focusing on the parts of his game that he can work on.
What time is the kick off next week against Sunderlandwich?