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Lyle Taylor - signed for Colchester (p284)

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  • edited June 2020
    I just don't understand this theory that he is going to be worth 2-3 goals. I've already said that even if it is only a sub conscious thing he will not be committed because he doesn't want to ruin the chances of his "dream move".

    Let me put it another way. If you are the opposition manager and you know that Taylor has this at the back of his mind are you going to tell your players to take it easy on him. Or are you going to instruct them to take it in turns to kick lumps out of him? At the very least he will be wound up and potentially sent off. At the worst he will be injured and will miss that move. And he knows that now that he and the club have gone public on this. 

    It is shocking that he has chosen not to honour his contract. But making him play now really isn't going to improve the situation. And Taylor not putting it in where we have a situation of having no supporters there backing the team will just be counter productive.
  • Not sure what to make of this? He'll probably pick up and injury or maybe that should be an 'injury'. I hipe he does play and males a difference
  • I just don't understand this theory that he is going to be worth 2-3 goals. I've already said that even if it is only a sub conscious thing he will not be committed because he doesn't want to ruin the chances of his "dream move".

    Let me put it another way. If you are the opposition manager and you know that Taylor has this at the back of his mind are you going to tell your players to take it easy on him. Or are you going to instruct them to take it in turns to kick lumps out of him? At the very least he will be wound up and potentially sent off. At the worst he will be injured and will miss that move. And he knows that now that he and the club have gone public on this. 

    It is shocking that he has chosen not to honour his contract. But making him play now really isn't going to improve the situation. And Taylor not putting it in where we have a situation of having no supporters there backing the team will just be counter productive.
    I think you're forgetting about the kind of person Lyle Taylor is. I mean, you might be right, I guess we may find out, but to my mind Lyle is never better than when someone's tried to rile him up. He absolutely loves it. He loves when opposition fans start getting on his back and he hasn't played a game if we hasn't got into a running battle with a defender. He doesn't always win and he's almost always worth a booking, but the idea that opposition managers targeting Lyle will bring out anything other than regular Lyle isn't based in any experience we've had with him. I hope they target Lyle. A few kicks to the ankle aren't going to be career-enders, which is the only type of injury he's actually worried about, and without fans to wind him up frankly we need some opposition players to be dickheads to get the best out of our player.
  • I just don't understand this theory that he is going to be worth 2-3 goals. I've already said that even if it is only a sub conscious thing he will not be committed because he doesn't want to ruin the chances of his "dream move".

    Let me put it another way. If you are the opposition manager and you know that Taylor has this at the back of his mind are you going to tell your players to take it easy on him. Or are you going to instruct them to take it in turns to kick lumps out of him? At the very least he will be wound up and potentially sent off. At the worst he will be injured and will miss that move. And he knows that now that he and the club have gone public on this. 

    It is shocking that he has chosen not to honour his contract. But making him play now really isn't going to improve the situation. And Taylor not putting it in where we have a situation of having no supporters there backing the team will just be counter productive.
    I think you're forgetting about the kind of person Lyle Taylor is. I mean, you might be right, I guess we may find out, but to my mind Lyle is never better than when someone's tried to rile him up. He absolutely loves it. He loves when opposition fans start getting on his back and he hasn't played a game if we hasn't got into a running battle with a defender. He doesn't always win and he's almost always worth a booking, but the idea that opposition managers targeting Lyle will bring out anything other than regular Lyle isn't based in any experience we've had with him. I hope they target Lyle. A few kicks to the ankle aren't going to be career-enders, which is the only type of injury he's actually worried about, and without fans to wind him up frankly we need some opposition players to be dickheads to get the best out of our player.
    All of that is true. But you are ignoring the fact that Taylor has never played in the knowledge that he has one big move left in him or having already made the decision that he's off. And I would still maintain that this will have an adverse effect on the team. The focus has moved from how are we going to survive to how is Taylor going to play.

    Assuming Taylor isn't going to return for the whole of the rest of the season we will still be in a position where we have to find someone to play instead of him and potentially a different way of playing. That person who replaces him will not, by virtue of the lack of match practice, be as match fit and sharp as he will. Equally, Taylor hasn't even been training.

    One final thought. How does Bowyer set the team up for Hull this week when he doesn't know whether Taylor is going to play or not? 
  • I would take Lyle for 3 games on the basis of always use the best tools available to you at the time. If and it’s a big if we get 6 points it’s a major push towards safety. 
  • No brainer. If he says he will play and he’s fit he’s in. He doesn’t do half measures and if he scores goals and we stay up, he will be seen as a hero which he will love and have in mind. 
  • What's Pwr mate
    It means 'can't be arsed to read the previous comments'
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  • Well will he or won’t he ? Personally I couldn’t care less. It’s obvious he doesn’t. 
  • so he's not going to play? this has become a farce. 

    maybe its best if you just left Taylor. 
  • Who do we believe Jim White or Alan Nixon? What choice. 
  • Here’s a thought. The football community have been told the new season will start say 3-4 weeks after this one finished. Taylor realises he will be a month behind new team mates so has decided to play for us to improve fitness! 

    If he does play, I wonder if there is a gentleman’s agreement in place that he stops playing once relegation or safety is confirmed
  • In Bowyer we trust.
  • edited June 2020
    Hope we sue the arse off anybody not willing to see their contract out.

    Relegation will cost millions so there's the start point.
  • Hope we sue the arse off anybody not willing to see their contract out.

    Relegation will cost millions so there's the start point.
    Good luck with that one! 
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  • I feel like a right twat now. Taylor’s unsent the message where he said no so I look like I’m having a conversation with myself🤣
    I’d say that’s a good sign in terms of him playing? 
  • I feel like a right twat now. Taylor’s unsent the message where he said no so I look like I’m having a conversation with myself🤣
    I’d say that’s a good sign in terms of him playing? 
    Probably only said no so there’s more media attention around him when he rocks up at Hull
  • If the players were unhappy with Lyer and now he's changed his mind he could be in for an even tougher time from his team mates if he plays like a complete melt.

    He'd better be bloody sure of himself before commiting to this. 

    Will I forgive him if he scores and we stay up?? That is a question I'm really struggling to answer...maybe yes but would I forget?? Probably not, because his original selfish decision came at the worst time ever for our club and Bowyer and us fans needed it like a hole in the head.

    At least we know that Lee won't accept anything short of 110% but I'd still go with Bonny to start and see how the we do first.
  • Not quite sure where Taylor's head will be at if he does actually decide to play some games?
    Might do more harm than good.
  • If Lyle is going to play (I've given up trying to work it out now) then hopefully the abuse he's had from Charlton fans works in a positive way

    We've seen how opposition fans get made to regret any heckling he gets during games
  • if Taylor does return, I imagine the opposing centre half in his first match back will have a little word in his ear - along the lines of 'I'll break your leg' - inside the first couple of minutes and have Taylor in his pocket for the rest of the match.
     Having said that, I hope I'm wrong.
  • I would take a half-fit, half-committed Lyle over some of the shit we have had thrust upon us under RD any day. 

    Let’s get behind him, for however many games it turns out to be. 
    Players like him in a CAFC shirt come along very rarely - don’t forget that we would be kicking around the bottom of L1 now if he had gone elsewhere. 

    We have had amole opportunity to secure his future services. The background antics and cash problems are not his fault. 

    We gave Nabby a 5 year contract but have not kept hold of LT. Think back to the Curbs days and how he used to secure unproven players on long deals - to our future benefit. 

    I am grateful for what LT has done and respect his decision one way or the other. 
    At least he didn’t come running into the boardroom with his hair still wet from the post-match shower to interrupt the manager and ask about a big money move. 
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