Loyalty is for supporters not players. Some may feel obligated to play but for most it's about number one.
He’s contractually obligated to play, nothing to do with an expectation of loyalty.
Right but how do you do you make him play and what Lyle Taylor will you get.
I wouldn't want him to play now as he wouldn't put a shift in & we would all know he's doing it under suffererence.
So either dont pay his wages for June & let him sue us or get him to do menial tasks around the training ground - picking up the cones, fetching the footballs or even a spot of painting & decorating. But certainly not have him training with the first team.
Not had the passion to read this all in full. So my take on this. 1. He has a very short lived career that has to be about him not any club. 2. He has made it clear he has been f'ed about by the last two owners of cafc, see point one. 3. He has already had a major injury this season playing for his country (something we dreamed off, the playing obviously) see point one. 4. He absolutely should protect himself point three. Given point one, why put any of that ar risk given point two for cafc in the knowledge that we all have now. Lyle thank you for your service now go and get what you are worth. Passion aside let's be honest he deserves so much better, as do all the staff playing and none, very few have the opportunity to really go for it. Let's praise it when one of does
LT doesn’t owe Charlton naff all after the way roly twunt and mouthall both mugged him off and lied about it after. LT was told he was sold by both regimes deals done fees agreed then on the eve of the window it’s all off and he’s hung out to dry like Roly’s sodden bedsheets LT’s employer is getting the self same loyalty integrity and class it gave him. Keyboard wankers can bellyache til kingdom come it’s just delusional guff. Dry your eyes kiddies put away the left handed mice and get on with anything else slightly less vacuous.
Again, transfer dealings are part & parcel of the game. Until a player signs on the white line for another club nothing is done & dusted. Just because we might have agreed a deal with a club doesnt mean we have to then sell said player. Counting chickens (and money) me thinks.
Now, if Taylor thinks he was hard done by & holds a grudge against the club that will pale into insignificance to the amount of abuse he will now get if & when he turns up to play against us.
Dipped into a Rangers forum for a quick peek and they are not overly impressed by Lyle’s actions. Quite a few “do we want to sign a known troublemaker” type of comment. I do wonder if he will have just caused a few suitors to pause for thought. Hope so.
This the same Rangers who have walking red card Alfredo Morelos as their star striker?
No way would say Brentford have told him not to play for the rest of the season, especially as we are due to play them. That would be considered a massive breach of the rules.
Football operates separately from normal life, it's not like a normal job where in your last few weeks you hand over your responsibilities, tidy your desk and go for long lunch breaks, as the last game in your contract is potentially just as important as your 1st or 34th. Clubs aren't stupid, if we were relegated with 2 games to go, I'm sure Bowyer would be happy to leave Taylor out.
The integrity of the league season relies on it, and it's this structure which generates massive public interest and makes lots of players very rich. If the FA AND PFA had any sense of morals, they would instruct its members to play the full season, and for clubs to extend all contracts until the season is ended. These are extraordinary times, and everyone has to show solidarity to the wider game.
Brentford probably won't have said to him we don't want you playing as you're playing against us soon. But they may well have said, if you get a long term injury the deal is off and we'll look elsewhere.
Personally i think Brentford will only sign him if they don't go up. They have a prolific strike pairing and if they got promotion would they still want Taylor, or with 100m in their pockets would they look elsewhere?
No way would say Brentford have told him not to play for the rest of the season, especially as we are due to play them. That would be considered a massive breach of the rules.
Football operates separately from normal life, it's not like a normal job where in your last few weeks you hand over your responsibilities, tidy your desk and go for long lunch breaks, as the last game in your contract is potentially just as important as your 1st or 34th. Clubs aren't stupid, if we were relegated with 2 games to go, I'm sure Bowyer would be happy to leave Taylor out.
The integrity of the league season relies on it, and it's this structure which generates massive public interest and makes lots of players very rich. If the FA AND PFA had any sense of morals, they would instruct its members to play the full season, and for clubs to extend all contracts until the season is ended. These are extraordinary times, and everyone has to show solidarity to the wider game.
Brentford probably won't have said to him we don't want you playing as you're playing against us soon. But they may well have said, if you get a long term injury the deal is off and we'll look elsewhere.
Personally i think Brentford will only sign him if they don't go up. They have a prolific strike pairing and if they got promotion would they still want Taylor, or with 100m in their pockets would they look elsewhere?
The Brentford game would be played in July, he'd be out of contract by then.
No way would say Brentford have told him not to play for the rest of the season, especially as we are due to play them. That would be considered a massive breach of the rules.
Football operates separately from normal life, it's not like a normal job where in your last few weeks you hand over your responsibilities, tidy your desk and go for long lunch breaks, as the last game in your contract is potentially just as important as your 1st or 34th. Clubs aren't stupid, if we were relegated with 2 games to go, I'm sure Bowyer would be happy to leave Taylor out.
The integrity of the league season relies on it, and it's this structure which generates massive public interest and makes lots of players very rich. If the FA AND PFA had any sense of morals, they would instruct its members to play the full season, and for clubs to extend all contracts until the season is ended. These are extraordinary times, and everyone has to show solidarity to the wider game.
They would have indicated a preference for him not getting injured with a clear implication that he shouldn't play for us. Informal and off the record. Taylor will know where he is going and how much he is going to be getting. He is not going to say anything that will undermine his new club.
But this goes on in football all the time. Clubs are always telling young players they can't play for their schools or clubs anymore. It is the culture of clubs and ridiculous to think is these strange times with the season extended into the summer that this isn't what is happening here.
I agree with Ally Mc Coist if a player agrees and signs a contract he should see out that contract. It is as simple as that. I can't believe some of the posters who are sticking up for Taylor.
No way would say Brentford have told him not to play for the rest of the season, especially as we are due to play them. That would be considered a massive breach of the rules.
Football operates separately from normal life, it's not like a normal job where in your last few weeks you hand over your responsibilities, tidy your desk and go for long lunch breaks, as the last game in your contract is potentially just as important as your 1st or 34th. Clubs aren't stupid, if we were relegated with 2 games to go, I'm sure Bowyer would be happy to leave Taylor out.
The integrity of the league season relies on it, and it's this structure which generates massive public interest and makes lots of players very rich. If the FA AND PFA had any sense of morals, they would instruct its members to play the full season, and for clubs to extend all contracts until the season is ended. These are extraordinary times, and everyone has to show solidarity to the wider game.
They would have indicated a preference for him not getting injured with a clear implication that he shouldn't play for us. Informal and off the record. Taylor will know where he is going and how much he is going to be getting. He is not going to say anything that will undermine his new club.
But this goes on in football all the time. Clubs are always telling young players they can't play for their schools or clubs anymore. It is the culture of clubs and ridiculous to think is these strange times with the season extended into the summer that this isn't what is happening here.
What annoys me most about Taylor is he loves to play the social media game yet he demonstrates a lack of integrity and will still expect approval by those daft enough to feel sorry for him.
Sick of the excuses made for him - he's made a choice and will be judged accordingly. Let's save our respect for those in society who deserve it.
Stories like this just make me more appreciative of the thousands of people who are putting their LIVES on the line at the moment. We’d be fucked if they said they’re not going to do their job.
Poor decision Lyle, no one forced you to be a footballer.
Galatasaray have joined the race to sign Charlton and Montserrat international striker Lyle Taylor, 30, who says he will not play for the club again as his contract expires this summer. (Mail)
Loyalty is for supporters not players. Some may feel obligated to play but for most it's about number one.
So, someone on here said there are around 350 Championship players whose contracts expire at the end of the season. Thus far I have only heard that Taylor and Solly are unwilling to play for non-COVID related reasons. So, please correct if I am wrong but doesn’t that mean around 99.5% feel obligated to honour their contracts as opposed to “some”. Of course that may change in the next couple of weeks but how about we stick with facts for now?
Was talking about our players. Some players will have a sense of duty to honour their contractual obligations others are playing to put themselves in the shop window. What ever way you want to put it football is just a job to them so they will look after number one.
Fine, but still if it is only Charlton players I think Bowyer said he has 9 out of contract players plus 6 loanees. So 12 out of 15 (80%) ARE willing to honour their deals. That doesn’t include the other 10 or so of the squad who will not be out of contract and are willing to play. I am sure all 22 willing to play will look after number one but they still respect their contractual obligations.
You did say “some may feel obligated to play but for most it’s about number one”. If you had stated the reverse, that most feel obligated to play you would have been factually correct.
Look, I fully appreciate that footballers are not necessarily fans of their clubs and it is a livelihood to them. But the vast majority honour their contractual obligations because that is the way of the world. I am also not so naive not to understand that occasionally there are players who feign injury for whatever reason to avoid playing. However, I cannot recall ever hearing that a player has openly declared they are not available to play for the last 9 games (~20%) of a season in case they get injured as they hope to get a bigger payday from their next contract.
Fans understand that players are not necessarily loyal to their employers, but in spite of that I am confident in saying that the vast majority of fans (not just Charlton’s) strongly disagree with the stance Taylor has taken here.
Only skimmed the latest contributions to this thread so apologies if already mentioned. One of the concerns is that what Taylor is doing becomes commonplace and seen as an accepted risk of the modern game. Imagine if every time an agent is approached and an offer to treble/quadruple a youngsters wages is proposed, if the players contract is up in 6 months, they just ride it out at the training ground and refuse to play matches. Even if the club stop paying them, they know full well that the first 6 months of their new contract is going to more than cover their losses. The only way clubs could possibly try to protect themselves is by weighing contracts heavily on some sort of end of contract term loyalty payment. eg, if a 2 year contract totalling circa £1m is agreed, then structure it as payments of £5k per week with a £500k end of contract term payment.
If a scenario occurs like we have now where a player refuses to play, at least the club has some power.
There’s no doubt loads of reasons why this is unworkable, as I’m sure many of you will point out.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
Pretty much agree with this within the confines of normal business, but this is football and the one thing you haven't mentioned is the fans.
Ultimately footballer's livelihoods depend upon the interest and support of ordinary people and in some cases extra ordinary people like Seb Lewis. He loves the limelight and there is nothing wrong in that. We have chanted his name, supported him, helped build his reputation and placed him on a pedestal. Of course footballers are allowed to move on, but there is a way of doing it within the realms of decency.
No matter what is going on behind the scenes, I find the contempt shown by Taylor to us true Charlton fans absolutely abhorrent.
No way would say Brentford have told him not to play for the rest of the season, especially as we are due to play them. That would be considered a massive breach of the rules.
Football operates separately from normal life, it's not like a normal job where in your last few weeks you hand over your responsibilities, tidy your desk and go for long lunch breaks, as the last game in your contract is potentially just as important as your 1st or 34th. Clubs aren't stupid, if we were relegated with 2 games to go, I'm sure Bowyer would be happy to leave Taylor out.
The integrity of the league season relies on it, and it's this structure which generates massive public interest and makes lots of players very rich. If the FA AND PFA had any sense of morals, they would instruct its members to play the full season, and for clubs to extend all contracts until the season is ended. These are extraordinary times, and everyone has to show solidarity to the wider game.
They would have indicated a preference for him not getting injured with a clear implication that he shouldn't play for us. Informal and off the record. Taylor will know where he is going and how much he is going to be getting. He is not going to say anything that will undermine his new club.
But this goes on in football all the time. Clubs are always telling young players they can't play for their schools or clubs anymore. It is the culture of clubs and ridiculous to think is these strange times with the season extended into the summer that this isn't what is happening here.
Players are free to negotiate a move 6 months before their contract is up so, if what you're saying is correct, why ain't there more cases like this of players refusing to play the last few games for their "old" Club? I don't think this is the case at all, and even if it is, it still don't change the fact that Taylor is a w****r for doing it imo
Only skimmed the latest contributions to this thread so apologies if already mentioned. One of the concerns is that what Taylor is doing becomes commonplace and seen as an accepted risk of the modern game. Imagine if every time an agent is approached and an offer to treble/quadruple a youngsters wages is proposed, if the players contract is up in 6 months, they just ride it out at the training ground and refuse to play matches. Even if the club stop paying them, they know full well that the first 6 months of their new contract is going to more than cover their losses. The only way clubs could possibly try to protect themselves is by weighing contracts heavily on some sort of end of contract term loyalty payment. eg, if a 2 year contract totalling circa £1m is agreed, then structure it as payments of £5k per week with a £500k end of contract term payment.
If a scenario occurs like we have now where a player refuses to play, at least the club has some power.
There’s no doubt loads of reasons why this is unworkable, as I’m sure many of you will point out.
I like ideas like this, but the power is pretty much all with the players because of the way the game has evolved. For Lyle, this is a calculated move despite the short term fallout it will attract.
I’m trying to remember him as the player he has been and for the contributions he has made, but the fact that he won’t even play up until the end of June as others have said is unprofessional and disappointing.
I mentioned earlier that I thank him for his time here, and that’s still the case, but now he has said he wants to move on, in the manner he has, I’m completely indifferent to him and will be throwing all weight into getting behind Bonne and Hemed. He’s moved on and is doing what he thinks is best for him. We’ll do the same.
I’ll clap him when if and he returns, but from the minute the the game kicks off, I’ll be looking to whoever is marking him to clobber him in the first few minutes as a welcoming back present ;-)
Lyle Taylor was happy to still pick up his wages while this pandemic has been going on.He didn't say anything then. Fans detest players like this taking their club for a easy living and giving nothing back.
Lyle Taylor was happy to still pick up his wages while this pandemic has been going on.He didn't say anything then. Fans detest players like this taking their club for a easy living and giving nothing back.
And what about all those Filipino nurses and Asian and Black Doctors that are turning up for work every day.
If you take Jason's argument to its logical extreme players should simply refuse to play in case they get injured. If it's okay for players to bow out of their contracts when it suits them then it will just keep getting worse.
I'm sick to death of the attitude of some footballers and pundits who think they're far more deserving than the rest of society.
I'm sure Taylor will get a wedge at his new club regardless but if he scored say 5 goals in the remaining 9 games and kept us up, surely he could get even more?
Lyle Taylor was happy to still pick up his wages while this pandemic has been going on.He didn't say anything then. Fans detest players like this taking their club for a easy living and giving nothing back.
And for the months he was injured as a result of playing for another team. Paid and looked after.
Doesn’t the international team pick up the tab for wages if a player is injured whilst on international duty?
No. If a national team is in the final stages of an international tournament they have an obligation to compensate the club. Otherwise the doctors attached to the national team have an obligation to submit the results of their own examinations to assist the club in treating the injury but they don't have to pay any compensation to the club. So if a player decides to play for a minor national side (no disrespect) like Montserrat there is almost no chance they will get past the initial stages of any tournament they are in, so no risk of having to pay compensation.
I also think we need to put "International Team" into perspective
"On June 30, 2002, the day of the 2002 World Cup Final, Montserrat, then the lowest ranked team in the world, played against the second lowest team, Bhutan, in a friendly match known jokingly as "The Other Final", but lost 4–0.
We do have other players out of contract,who will be wondering if new deals will be offered by Charlton are these players saying they are not playing because they might get hurt,thereby causing themselves problems if they are let go,no they are not.Naby Sarr,Williams,Cullen I believe and others could all adopt the same attitude.
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So either dont pay his wages for June & let him sue us or get him to do menial tasks around the training ground - picking up the cones, fetching the footballs or even a spot of painting & decorating. But certainly not have him training with the first team.
So my take on this.
1. He has a very short lived career that has to be about him not any club.
2. He has made it clear he has been f'ed about by the last two owners of cafc, see point one.
3. He has already had a major injury this season playing for his country (something we dreamed off, the playing obviously) see point one.
4. He absolutely should protect himself point three. Given point one, why put any of that ar risk given point two for cafc in the knowledge that we all have now.
Lyle thank you for your service now go and get what you are worth.
Passion aside let's be honest he deserves so much better, as do all the staff playing and none, very few have the opportunity to really go for it. Let's praise it when one of does
Now, if Taylor thinks he was hard done by & holds a grudge against the club that will pale into insignificance to the amount of abuse he will now get if & when he turns up to play against us.
Personally i think Brentford will only sign him if they don't go up. They have a prolific strike pairing and if they got promotion would they still want Taylor, or with 100m in their pockets would they look elsewhere?
But this goes on in football all the time. Clubs are always telling young players they can't play for their schools or clubs anymore. It is the culture of clubs and ridiculous to think is these strange times with the season extended into the summer that this isn't what is happening here.
Sick of the excuses made for him - he's made a choice and will be judged accordingly. Let's save our respect for those in society who deserve it.
Poor decision Lyle, no one forced you to be a footballer.
Galatasaray have joined the race to sign Charlton and Montserrat international striker Lyle Taylor, 30, who says he will not play for the club again as his contract expires this summer. (Mail)
Look, I fully appreciate that footballers are not necessarily fans of their clubs and it is a livelihood to them. But the vast majority honour their contractual obligations because that is the way of the world. I am also not so naive not to understand that occasionally there are players who feign injury for whatever reason to avoid playing. However, I cannot recall ever hearing that a player has openly declared they are not available to play for the last 9 games (~20%) of a season in case they get injured as they hope to get a bigger payday from their next contract.
Fans understand that players are not necessarily loyal to their employers, but in spite of that I am confident in saying that the vast majority of fans (not just Charlton’s) strongly disagree with the stance Taylor has taken here.
Surely an injury could jeopardise a new contract with West Ham or another club.
One of the concerns is that what Taylor is doing becomes commonplace and seen as an accepted risk of the modern game.
Imagine if every time an agent is approached and an offer to treble/quadruple a youngsters wages is proposed, if the players contract is up in 6 months, they just ride it out at the training ground and refuse to play matches. Even if the club stop paying them, they know full well that the first 6 months of their new contract is going to more than cover their losses.
The only way clubs could possibly try to protect themselves is by weighing contracts heavily on some sort of end of contract term loyalty payment.
eg, if a 2 year contract totalling circa £1m is agreed, then structure it as payments of £5k per week with a £500k end of contract term payment.
There’s no doubt loads of reasons why this is unworkable, as I’m sure many of you will point out.
Pretty much agree with this within the confines of normal business, but this is football and the one thing you haven't mentioned is the fans.
Ultimately footballer's livelihoods depend upon the interest and support of ordinary people and in some cases extra ordinary people like Seb Lewis. He loves the limelight and there is nothing wrong in that. We have chanted his name, supported him, helped build his reputation and placed him on a pedestal. Of course footballers are allowed to move on, but there is a way of doing it within the realms of decency.
No matter what is going on behind the scenes, I find the contempt shown by Taylor to us true Charlton fans absolutely abhorrent.
I mentioned earlier that I thank him for his time here, and that’s still the case, but now he has said he wants to move on, in the manner he has, I’m completely indifferent to him and will be throwing all weight into getting behind Bonne and Hemed. He’s moved on and is doing what he thinks is best for him. We’ll do the same.
I’ll clap him when if and he returns, but from the minute the the game kicks off, I’ll be looking to whoever is marking him to clobber him in the first few minutes as a welcoming back present ;-)
It's why West Ham went to court when Dean Ashton's career was basically ended by a tackle in England training.
I'm sick to death of the attitude of some footballers and pundits who think they're far more deserving than the rest of society.
"On June 30, 2002, the day of the 2002 World Cup Final, Montserrat, then the lowest ranked team in the world, played against the second lowest team, Bhutan, in a friendly match known jokingly as "The Other Final", but lost 4–0.