Apologies if this has already been said as I'm too annoyed to read all the comments but just as well Patrick Bauer didn't decide to skip the play-offs last season, eh?
But if he hadn't have scored in the 94th minute would he just be seen as another Judas?
Yes probably.
But he did turn up, and he was professional. That’s the difference!
No, it is completely different and at the end of a normal season and not under the current crazy conditions. If he hadn't have been the goal-scoring hero then many on here would just see him as a money-grabbing foreigner not a hero.
Footballers are privileged individuals fulfilling dreams that 1000s of kids would love to and are paid well to do just that. No he might not be on 20k a week, but I'm sure he earns a lot more than most of us. He should honor his contract in what is a very unusual situation. Even if that means playing upto 30th June. I'm genuinely dissapointed with him, I think he has really let himself and us fans down
Apologies if this has already been said as I'm too annoyed to read all the comments but just as well Patrick Bauer didn't decide to skip the play-offs last season, eh?
But if he hadn't have scored in the 94th minute would he just be seen as another Judas?
Yes probably.
But he did turn up, and he was professional. That’s the difference!
No, it is completely different and at the end of a normal season and not under the current crazy conditions. If he hadn't have been the goal-scoring hero then many on here would just see him as a money-grabbing foreigner not a hero.
He is contracted as a football player at Charlton until the end of June not until the time of the last game of a normal season. Not expecting anyone to play beyond their current contract, unless it gets extended. Unless of course his contract is worded that he doesn't need to play in June (as ordinarily it woud be expected the last game would be in May - maybe there is something in the wording that refers to June differently, as no one would have expected the last game not to be in May (which would mean he isn't in breach)? Is there a reason the contract is until the end of June despite them expecting the last game to be in May?
Not sure if comparable to a teacher leaving a school at the end of school year. When someone I know changed schools they were paid by the school they were leaving until the end of August even though they had finished teaching there. I forget teh exct dates but it was certainly weeks after the end fo the school year. On that note, how do schools/teachers stand if they are asked to work during the time of the usual school holidays this year (so children can catch up) as they are paid by the school but wouldn't ordinarily work? Will they get overtime, as despite being paid, they are due the 6(?) week break after all the hours they have done throught the school year?
Footballers are privileged individuals fulfilling dreams that 1000s of kids would love to and are paid well to do just that. No he might not be on 20k a week, but I'm sure he earns a lot more than most of us. He should honor his contract in what is a very unusual situation. Even if that means playing upto 30th June. I'm genuinely dissapointed with him, I think he has really let himself and us fans down
I'm sure that your disappointment will keep him awake at night. As a professional footballer he has a limited time to earn money. He is now at a crucial time in his career where he can obtain a contract that will secure his future. His affiliation with Charlton is less than two years. Ours, as fans, may be 10/20/30/40/50/60 years. Is it any wonder that he may see things differently? I really think that people should get some perspective. I, as a Charlton fan of many years, do not want to see us relegated, but I can fully understand why Lyle does not want to risk his future in these exceptional circumstances. If the future had been concluded under normal circumstances then I have no doubt that Lyle would have been busting a gut, as he had in every other game, to secure our survival.
Apologies if this has already been said as I'm too annoyed to read all the comments but just as well Patrick Bauer didn't decide to skip the play-offs last season, eh?
But if he hadn't have scored in the 94th minute would he just be seen as another Judas?
Yes probably.
But he did turn up, and he was professional. That’s the difference!
No, it is completely different and at the end of a normal season and not under the current crazy conditions. If he hadn't have been the goal-scoring hero then many on here would just see him as a money-grabbing foreigner not a hero.
He is contracted as a football player at Charlton until the end of June not until the time of the last game of a normal season. Not expecting anyone to play beyond their current contract, unless it gets extended. Unless of course his contract is worded that he doesn't need to play in June (as ordinarily it woud be expected the last game would be in May - maybe there is something in the wording that refers to June differently, as no one would have expected the last game not to be in May (which would mean he isn't in breach)? Is there a reason the contract is until the end of June despite them expecting the last game to be in May?
Not sure if comparable to a teacher leaving a school at the end of school year. When someone I know changed schools they were paid by the school they were leaving until the end of August even though they had finished teaching there. I forget teh exct dates but it was certainly weeks after the end fo the school year. On that note, how do schools/teachers stand if they are asked to work during the time of the usual school holidays this year (so children can catch up) as they are paid by the school but wouldn't ordinarily work? Will they get overtime, as despite being paid, they are due the 6(?) week break after all the hours they have done throught the school year?
What teachers do or don't do is irrelevant.
Yes he is contracted until the end of June but can you tell me about a previous season when that has included playing club matches until the end of June or beyond? Or even beyond May?
The June 30th date is clearly a date of convenience for both player and club and has never been used as a club playing date but merely a date after which registrations can be transferred.
Lyle was always going to leave, I know I’m going to get pelters for this, but with all that’s going on in the world at the moment and having known 4 people taken, in just meh whatever, it’s not important in the scheme of things.
Pre Covid I’d probably be spitting feathers, starting threads galore, and up in arms, I just feel lucky to still be around at the moment.
Doing an ooh ah, yes we’ve probably got a 90% chance of being relegated without Lyle, of course I’d rather have him playing for us, but in really not surprised, or bothered as much as I used to be.
Wembley May 2019, seems a long way away, even if I did miss Bauer’s goal by drinking too much in the green man!
Don’t get too stressed out by this people, we’ve always been a selling club, players come and go, don’t get too attached to them, its their career and living, don’t give them abuse, we’re better than that.
I think almost to a man every poster has said that they dont begrudge Taylor going & realise that he is looking for a big payday with his next move. As you say, players come & go and nowdays most players move on after 2 or 3 years.
BUT
What is sickening everyone is the flagrant disregard to honouring a contract. I didn't think for a minute that he'd sign the months extension that the EFL have mooted, but I did expect him to play until June 30th.
He has shown that he is just as bad as Parker, Grant & Defoe. There is more to life than money. Stuff like decency & integrity.
There's something else about this contract situation that I think pushes the decision to leave. A normal season which finished at the end of April would give any player getting hurt two months to recover. Sure, every now and then some poor sod will pick up a career ending injury, but the chances are mercifully small. The vast majority of players injured at the end of the season will be fit by the time their contracts are up. This time around the games are so close to the end of the contract period that even a minor injury could put a player out of action when the transfer window is open. For a player who had a nice deal lined up this season is far riskier, because even a relatively simple injury could delay a move leaving potential suitors to look around for alternatives. No-one is going to want to fail a medical and then sweat it out hoping the buyers bide their time, because the chances are they won't. This, combined with the fact that we don't even know what's going to happen with next season, means that it's full of uncertainty. Indeed practically the only certainty is that however this season finishes, Charlton will still be a nut house - and the biggest doubt about that is whether the club will actually exist. To be a 30 year old player with one last throw of the career-dice left, sticking around would be utter madness and doing something that could jeopardise a move would be very risky indeed.
Man Utd waited a year to sign Van Nistelrooy. If Taylor thinks he's that good then Rangers/Fulham/ Blyth Spartans would surely wait until he was fit again.......
Haven't read this whole thread and with over 400 new posts I probably wont either so sorry if this has been said enough.
All I will say in the matter is what I have said numerous times on Twitter today.
If Lyle doesn't want to extend his contract for the extra month, then fair enough that's his decision and I respect that and thank him for what he has done for us
But he is contracted until June 30th so he should be available to play until June 30th, those 2/3 games could be critical especially the first game against Hull and now we have to do it without our top scorer because he is worried about getting an injury.
So next season its the last week of April there are 3 games left, can players then down tools and say actually you know what I ain't gonna play these last 3 games just incase I get injured and ruin a new contract in the summer.
Its absolutely rubbish, he is a Charlton player until June 30th and should be available for selection, the only reason he shouldn't be available was had he dropped out for covid19 reasons, which he clearly didn't
Is Taylor still training? Surely having him about the place, with his ‘i’m too good for this club’ attitude, can’t be good for team morale.
If I was Bowyer I'd tell him to piss off & not to turn up ever again. Let him sit at home for the next 3 months. Seriously, we haven't even got this season back up again & he's thinking about next season. He might find the new one doesnt start until September. Lots of time to drop jars of beetroot onto your foot, fall through a glass coffee table or cut your hand peeling an orange.
Is Taylor still training? Surely having him about the place, with his ‘i’m too good for this club’ attitude, can’t be good for team morale.
If I was Bowyer I'd tell him to piss off & not to turn up ever again. Let him sit at home for the next 3 months. Seriously, we haven't even got this season back up again & he's thinking about next season. He might find the new one doesnt start until September. Lots of time to drop jars of beetroot onto your foot, fall through a glass coffee table or cut your hand peeling an orange.
Shouldn’t get paid either. We’re skint enough as it is, struggling to pay the wages of proper hard workers like Tracey Leaburn, while he racks up a couple thousand a week for doing nothing.
Is Taylor still training? Surely having him about the place, with his ‘i’m too good for this club’ attitude, can’t be good for team morale.
If I was Bowyer I'd tell him to piss off & not to turn up ever again. Let him sit at home for the next 3 months. Seriously, we haven't even got this season back up again & he's thinking about next season. He might find the new one doesnt start until September. Lots of time to drop jars of beetroot onto your foot, fall through a glass coffee table or cut your hand peeling an orange.
Yes what a punishment!! That's probably exactly what he wants. Sit at home, rest, reduce your chances of catching Covid, sign a 20k a week contract in August (or whenever players can sign).
He's quite likely only turning up to training because if he doesn't then he'll be fined.
Is Taylor still training? Surely having him about the place, with his ‘i’m too good for this club’ attitude, can’t be good for team morale.
If I was Bowyer I'd tell him to piss off & not to turn up ever again. Let him sit at home for the next 3 months. Seriously, we haven't even got this season back up again & he's thinking about next season. He might find the new one doesnt start until September. Lots of time to drop jars of beetroot onto your foot, fall through a glass coffee table or cut your hand peeling an orange.
Yes what a punishment!! That's probably exactly what he wants. Sit at home, rest, reduce your chances of catching Covid, sign a 20k a week contract in August (or whenever players can sign).
He's quite likely only turning up to training because if he doesn't then he'll be fined.
Just turning up for training to stay fit for his next team. His contract should be terminated and his butt kicked out the door.
Footballers are privileged individuals fulfilling dreams that 1000s of kids would love to and are paid well to do just that. No he might not be on 20k a week, but I'm sure he earns a lot more than most of us. He should honor his contract in what is a very unusual situation. Even if that means playing upto 30th June. I'm genuinely dissapointed with him, I think he has really let himself and us fans down
I'm sure that your disappointment will keep him awake at night. As a professional footballer he has a limited time to earn money. He is now at a crucial time in his career where he can obtain a contract that will secure his future. His affiliation with Charlton is less than two years. Ours, as fans, may be 10/20/30/40/50/60 years. Is it any wonder that he may see things differently? I really think that people should get some perspective. I, as a Charlton fan of many years, do not want to see us relegated, but I can fully understand why Lyle does not want to risk his future in these exceptional circumstances. If the future had been concluded under normal circumstances then I have no doubt that Lyle would have been busting a gut, as he had in every other game, to secure our survival.
Perspective? Oh right. Silly us for caring more about CAFC survival than some greedy twot's ego.
Not remotely surprised by this turn of events, it was an absolute dot on the card.
Sorry folks, but you all have to realize that we all LOVE Charlton Athletic, for many of us it is the love of our lives and we think of little else.
For Lyle Taylor and 99% of other players they don't care if it's Charlton Athletic, Wigan Athletic or the Rajasthan Royal Cavaliers, all they care about is how much they can earn and how quickly they can earn it.
Lyle Taylor is being honest about it, that's the difference.
Taylor is probably on around 4K per week at Charlton and is obviously getting offered 20k elsewhere on a three-year deal so he can basically make 3 million over that contract - taking home about 1.7 million post-tax (or whatever it is).
That's not David Beckham style cash but it's enough to set him and his family up for life at just 33 so I don't blame him in the slightest for not wanting to jeopardise that.
Do we really think Lyle is the only player in the EFL doing this? No chance! There'll be plenty of others in the same boat, except of course they will be far more subtle in the way they do it.
The bottom line is simple, football is full of whores and prostitutes it's just that some are more honest about it than others.
Not remotely surprised by this turn of events, it was an absolute dot on the card.
Sorry folks, but you all have to realize that we all LOVE Charlton Athletic, for many of us it is the love of our lives and we think of little else.
For Lyle Taylor and 99% of other players they don't care if it's Charlton Athletic, Wigan Athletic or the Rajasthan Royal Cavaliers, all they care about is how much they can earn and how quickly they can earn it.
Lyle Taylor is being honest about it, that's the difference.
Taylor is probably on around 4K per week at Charlton and is obviously getting offered 20k elsewhere on a three-year deal so he can basically make 3 million over that contract - taking home about 1.7 million post-tax (or whatever it is).
That's not David Beckham style cash but it's enough to set him and his family up for life at just 33 so I don't blame him in the slightest for not wanting to jeopardise that.
Do we really think Lyle is the only player in the EFL doing this? No chance! There'll be plenty of others in the same boat, except of course they will be far more subtle in the way they do it.
The bottom line is simple, football is full of whores and prostitutes it's just that some are more honest about it than others.
So it’s ok for Solly but not Taylor according to some. Both are doing what’s best for them , fact and of course Solly would have turned down contracts that trebled his wages because he luvs Charlton dontcha know
People comparing this situation with a normal end of season why ? Do they know that next season starts in 3 months time after the end of this or the transfer window closes In 4 months after the end of this season because that’s approximately what the gap would have expected to be . The financial situation is another unknown factor in there with income for clubs at risk as well.
Lyle has put himself first , shock horror .
Football isn’t this romantic honourable thing of passion for our club like we all wish it would be . Just ask Solly
Apologies if this has already been said as I'm too annoyed to read all the comments but just as well Patrick Bauer didn't decide to skip the play-offs last season, eh?
But if he hadn't have scored in the 94th minute would he just be seen as another Judas?
I don’t think so. Aribo also left after the play off final. I think a lot of fans thought he should have stayed longer but I don’t recall him being called a Judas. Both he and Bauer honoured their contracts. That is what most individuals with integrity and values do. People on here are not “whining” as I think someone on here stated. They are justifiably angry.
Curve ball... Could this be Bow playing games? Lyle has been seen in training, hull preparing for Charlton without Taylor would be a MASSIVE advantage, and it would be the Lyle Taylor show when he did play, which I'm sure he would love. Let's be honest, wouldn't be the first time Lee has lied about a players availability.
Parkinson was told not to play Jonjo so as to make sure the sale to Liverpool went through as we approached the end of the season , Jonjo wanted to play !
Curve ball... Could this be Bow playing games? Lyle has been seen in training, hull preparing for Charlton without Taylor would be a MASSIVE advantage, and it would be the Lyle Taylor show when he did play, which I'm sure he would love. Let's be honest, wouldn't be the first time Lee has lied about a players availability.
I've never quite got these mind games - any manager or coach in the professional game would prepare their team for all eventualities. Besides, I'm not sure Hull have the luxury of picking a different team if they play us with or without Taylor, and tactics can be changed in a heartbeat.
Not remotely surprised by this turn of events, it was an absolute dot on the card.
Sorry folks, but you all have to realize that we all LOVE Charlton Athletic, for many of us it is the love of our lives and we think of little else.
For Lyle Taylor and 99% of other players they don't care if it's Charlton Athletic, Wigan Athletic or the Rajasthan Royal Cavaliers, all they care about is how much they can earn and how quickly they can earn it.
Lyle Taylor is being honest about it, that's the difference.
Taylor is probably on around 4K per week at Charlton and is obviously getting offered 20k elsewhere on a three-year deal so he can basically make 3 million over that contract - taking home about 1.7 million post-tax (or whatever it is).
That's not David Beckham style cash but it's enough to set him and his family up for life at just 33 so I don't blame him in the slightest for not wanting to jeopardise that.
Do we really think Lyle is the only player in the EFL doing this? No chance! There'll be plenty of others in the same boat, except of course they will be far more subtle in the way they do it.
The bottom line is simple, football is full of whores and prostitutes it's just that some are more honest about it than others.
I think the point here is that whilst most (probably not 99%) don't care what club it is, the majority do care about the consequences of their actions:-
- Care about being a competitive sportsman who does the best for their club and teammates - Care that they do the right thing, which is to do everything you can to help your team win - Care that you don't let your friends, colleagues and teammmates down at a critical moment - Care that your legacy is not one of selfishness, but selflessness
Maybe I'm naive in thinking this - either way, if he is refusing to do what he can to support the club that has paid and supported him for two years and the thousands of fans that he has willingly courted, then I hope he goes down in Charlton history in the same bracket as Kevin Muscat, Matt Southall, Ron Noades, Simon Oleman, Mike Langley and Roland Duchatelet.
Just compare Taylor to Bauer and that’s all you need to do. One knows he is getting a big move, doesn’t want to jeopardise it, so refuses to play. The other knows he’s getting a big move, plays to the end, giving his all, honours his contract, then moves on.
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If he hadn't have been the goal-scoring hero then many on here would just see him as a money-grabbing foreigner not a hero.
then taken shit for not seeing out the rest of the season
Not sure if comparable to a teacher leaving a school at the end of school year. When someone I know changed schools they were paid by the school they were leaving until the end of August even though they had finished teaching there. I forget teh exct dates but it was certainly weeks after the end fo the school year. On that note, how do schools/teachers stand if they are asked to work during the time of the usual school holidays this year (so children can catch up) as they are paid by the school but wouldn't ordinarily work? Will they get overtime, as despite being paid, they are due the 6(?) week break after all the hours they have done throught the school year?
As a professional footballer he has a limited time to earn money. He is now at a crucial time in his career where he can obtain a contract that will secure his future.
His affiliation with Charlton is less than two years. Ours, as fans, may be 10/20/30/40/50/60 years. Is it any wonder that he may see things differently?
I really think that people should get some perspective. I, as a Charlton fan of many years, do not want to see us relegated, but I can fully understand why Lyle does not want to risk his future in these exceptional circumstances. If the future had been concluded under normal circumstances then I have no doubt that Lyle would have been busting a gut, as he had in every other game, to secure our survival.
Yes he is contracted until the end of June but can you tell me about a previous season when that has included playing club matches until the end of June or beyond? Or even beyond May?
The June 30th date is clearly a date of convenience for both player and club and has never been used as a club playing date but merely a date after which registrations can be transferred.
BUT
What is sickening everyone is the flagrant disregard to honouring a contract. I didn't think for a minute that he'd sign the months extension that the EFL have mooted, but I did expect him to play until June 30th.
He has shown that he is just as bad as Parker, Grant & Defoe. There is more to life than money. Stuff like decency & integrity.
All I will say in the matter is what I have said numerous times on Twitter today.
If Lyle doesn't want to extend his contract for the extra month, then fair enough that's his decision and I respect that and thank him for what he has done for us
But he is contracted until June 30th so he should be available to play until June 30th, those 2/3 games could be critical especially the first game against Hull and now we have to do it without our top scorer because he is worried about getting an injury.
So next season its the last week of April there are 3 games left, can players then down tools and say actually you know what I ain't gonna play these last 3 games just incase I get injured and ruin a new contract in the summer.
Its absolutely rubbish, he is a Charlton player until June 30th and should be available for selection, the only reason he shouldn't be available was had he dropped out for covid19 reasons, which he clearly didn't
Why should they get paid? Just for being 'them'?
He's quite likely only turning up to training because if he doesn't then he'll be fined.
Just turning up for training to stay fit for his next team. His contract should be terminated and his butt kicked out the door.
Perspective? Oh right. Silly us for caring more about CAFC survival than some greedy twot's ego.
Sorry folks, but you all have to realize that we all LOVE Charlton Athletic, for many of us it is the love of our lives and we think of little else.
For Lyle Taylor and 99% of other players they don't care if it's Charlton Athletic, Wigan Athletic or the Rajasthan Royal Cavaliers, all they care about is how much they can earn and how quickly they can earn it.
Lyle Taylor is being honest about it, that's the difference.
Taylor is probably on around 4K per week at Charlton and is obviously getting offered 20k elsewhere on a three-year deal so he can basically make 3 million over that contract - taking home about 1.7 million post-tax (or whatever it is).
That's not David Beckham style cash but it's enough to set him and his family up for life at just 33 so I don't blame him in the slightest for not wanting to jeopardise that.
Do we really think Lyle is the only player in the EFL doing this? No chance! There'll be plenty of others in the same boat, except of course they will be far more subtle in the way they do it.
The bottom line is simple, football is full of whores and prostitutes it's just that some are more honest about it than others.
Both are doing what’s best for them , fact
and of course Solly would have turned down contracts that trebled his wages because he luvs Charlton dontcha know
Just ask Solly
I've never quite got these mind games - any manager or coach in the professional game would prepare their team for all eventualities. Besides, I'm not sure Hull have the luxury of picking a different team if they play us with or without Taylor, and tactics can be changed in a heartbeat.
- Care about being a competitive sportsman who does the best for their club and teammates
- Care that they do the right thing, which is to do everything you can to help your team win
- Care that you don't let your friends, colleagues and teammmates down at a critical moment
- Care that your legacy is not one of selfishness, but selflessness
Maybe I'm naive in thinking this - either way, if he is refusing to do what he can to support the club that has paid and supported him for two years and the thousands of fans that he has willingly courted, then I hope he goes down in Charlton history in the same bracket as Kevin Muscat, Matt Southall, Ron Noades, Simon Oleman, Mike Langley and Roland Duchatelet.