I must admit, when I learned of details from that day when we sent Palace down, I don't think he comes out of it well. Fans can get away with it, but he acted in a classless way from what I have read.
Defending Richard on here has never been popular and I always get slated for it but the only time in the 50 years since I've been supporting when we had a really competitive top class team for 10 years full of international players or so was because of him. It is the principal reason I have a Shaun Bartlett international shirt and a Lisbie shirt from after the LIverpool win on my walls. Before then and after then it has either been 2nd or 3rd rate or worse. He has lost loads of money in the club, offered to discount his largest share of the £7m loans to get a decent new owner ( still not forthcoming). The incident with Jordan might not have been sensible but he thought Jordan had been rude and football is an emotional game and he hates Palace like we do. I believe falling out with Peter Varney ( which is very sad because they were a great team and Richard was always very complimentary about Peter) was basically about money which wouldnt be the first or last time that has happened in life. I'm sure Richard would admit he has made mistakes notably over the appointment of Dowie and personally I think he should have stepped down from the Board when Duchatelet arrived. However we all make mistakes Finally, he attends matches because he is a fan. Generally our owners either don't attend matches and /or aren't fans.
I do not believe Murray wishes any bad outcome for Charlton. he went too far with his spat with Jordon by appointing Dowie. he was not openly supportive of the club during the RD time, but I do not believe would harm the club.
I don't think he'd openly set out to harm the club........but he would probably do whatever he could to stop Varney taking over.
Even when the club could be on the verge of extinction, you still think he would put a spoke in Mr Varney's efforts? Surely, he would be vilified beyond redemption if he were to do this?
Defending Richard on here has never been popular and I always get slated for it but the only time in the 50 years since I've been supporting when we had a really competitive top class team for 10 years full of international players or so was because of him. It is the principal reason I have a Shaun Bartlett international shirt and a Lisbie shirt from after the LIverpool win on my walls. Before then and after then it has either been 2nd or 3rd rate or worse. He has lost loads of money in the club, offered to discount his largest share of the £7m loans to get a decent new owner ( still not forthcoming). The incident with Jordan might not have been sensible but he thought Jordan had been rude and football is an emotional game and he hates Palace like we do. I believe falling out with Peter Varney ( which is very sad because they were a great team and Richard was always very complimentary about Peter) was basically about money which wouldnt be the first or last time that has happened in life. I'm sure Richard would admit he has made mistakes notably over the appointment of Dowie and personally I think he should have stepped down from the Board when Duchatelet arrived. However we all make mistakes Finally, he attends matches because he is a fan. Generally our owners either don't attend matches and /or aren't fans.
He played a big part in our successful era, but to say it was due to him is in my opinion not correct as there was at least equally if not a bigger role played by Curbishley for starters. And that is before we get into so many others, it was a proper team effort on and off the pitch.
Defending Richard on here has never been popular and I always get slated for it but the only time in the 50 years since I've been supporting when we had a really competitive top class team for 10 years full of international players or so was because of him. It is the principal reason I have a Shaun Bartlett international shirt and a Lisbie shirt from after the LIverpool win on my walls. Before then and after then it has either been 2nd or 3rd rate or worse. He has lost loads of money in the club, offered to discount his largest share of the £7m loans to get a decent new owner ( still not forthcoming). The incident with Jordan might not have been sensible but he thought Jordan had been rude and football is an emotional game and he hates Palace like we do. I believe falling out with Peter Varney ( which is very sad because they were a great team and Richard was always very complimentary about Peter) was basically about money which wouldnt be the first or last time that has happened in life. I'm sure Richard would admit he has made mistakes notably over the appointment of Dowie and personally I think he should have stepped down from the Board when Duchatelet arrived. However we all make mistakes Finally, he attends matches because he is a fan. Generally our owners either don't attend matches and /or aren't fans.
- Buys Charlton, employs Curbishley, helps bring in stability
- Builds a new stand, lets Curbishley do his thing while controlling cashflow, Charlton reach the Premier League
- Starts to dislike how Curbishley is getting all the plaudits. Refuses to give him additional money to rebuild the squad, tells him to make-do. Curbishley decides he can't go any further and says he will finish up his contract. Murray tells him to clear off early.
- Decides to hire Dowie purely to spite a local rival, resulting in legal action. Proceeds to hand that manager more money (£10.7m) than he ever even dreamt of giving Curbishley, with no major sale to fund it. That manager buys dross and this starts the financial decline that we're still not recovered from.
- Sacks Dowie four months into the season, replaces him with a bloke who has been whispering in his ear for weeks. Sacks him.
- Hires Pardew. Pardew fails. Proceeds to give Pardew even more money to spend on dross, worsening our financial nightmare. Sacks Pardew, employs a caretaker who can't win a match, gives him the job anyway.
- League One, just three years after being in the PL.
- Runs out of money. Sells to the spivs. OK, mistakes happen. Their plan was working until their lies caught up with them.
- Sells to Roland. Proceeds to defend him in public even after fans are insulted, assaulted and good Charlton people are driven out.
- Relegated again. Protests. Silence from Richard.
-Helps source ESI. Southall gives him a shout out. More silence from Richard. Let's check back in a few weeks where we might be able to add 'Charlton expelled from Football League' on the end of this.
Defending Richard is unpopular because to do so after all these years you are, unfortunately, plain wrong. It doesn't matter that you got to see Alexei Smertin run out at The Valley, or that you reckon he's a fan, after good work initially his ego has taken over and his repeated actions (they're not mistakes anymore, if you don't learn from your mistakes you're a wilful actor eventually) could lead to the end of this club, with years of misery beforehand to get us ready for it. It really, really doesn't matter that the manager he hired was a genius who got us to the Premier League when we're staring at oblivion and he handed the keys to the people driving us there. I'd trade those wins against Liverpool and Arsenal to erase the memories of Roland posting statements insulting the fans on our website, or Southall and Nimer publicly throwing insults at each other across social media as our club collapses.
If you were to build a list of the positives and negatives of Richard Murrays involvement in charlton, unfortunately that list weighs heavily in the wrong way.
Even when the club could be on the verge of extinction, you still think he would put a spoke in Mr Varney's efforts? Surely, he would be vilified beyond redemption if he were to do this?
I have absolutely no doubt Richard Murray's aim will be to be seen to ride to the rescue himself. That won't involve working with Peter Varney. Quite the opposite.
Even when the club could be on the verge of extinction, you still think he would put a spoke in Mr Varney's efforts? Surely, he would be vilified beyond redemption if he were to do this?
I have absolutely no doubt Richard Murray's aim will be to be seen to ride to the rescue himself. That won't involve working with Peter Varney. Quite the opposite.
What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better.
What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better.
Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage
Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
I used to think not, but there is a lot of evidence to say otherwise. What he did right was appoint the right man and the club moved forwards in Curbishley's image. Curbishley knew not to overspend etc... and Murray knew to let him get on with it. Then when Curbishley went, a structure that took much of the power away from the manager was introduced, despite it working so well with Curbishley. And that new structure was a disaster.
Dowie struggled, but I maintain, he had not lost the dressing room when he was sacked. He was sacked because he was trying to break free of the shackles and manage. Reed was the ultimate reason we got relegated. Not trying to say Dowie was a great manager, but the 'new' structure was a major issue.
What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better.
Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage
Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
Key decisions were the appointment of Curbs as sole manager in 1995 and Varney in 1997 - Murray did not really make the 1991 appointment of joint managers although he and Simons were key to the return to The Valley in 1992. More so in the end than Alwen. You can’t make a clear distinction between pre and post 2006 as there were things that could have been done better before then, including the fateful decision not to sell the club in 2005, albeit I accept that would have been controversial.
What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better.
Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage
Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
Key decisions were the appointment of Curbs as sole manager in 1995 and Varney in 1997 - Murray did not really make the 1991 appointment of joint managers although he and Simons were key to the return to The Valley in 1992. More so in the end than Alwen. You can’t make a clear distinction between pre and post 2006 as there were things that could have been done better before then, including the fateful decision not to sell the club in 2005, albeit I accept that would have been controversial.
Were Gold and Robinson from Birmingham the interested parties?
What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better.
Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage
Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
Key decisions were the appointment of Curbs as sole manager in 1995 and Varney in 1997 - Murray did not really make the 1991 appointment of joint managers although he and Simons were key to the return to The Valley in 1992. More so in the end than Alwen. You can’t make a clear distinction between pre and post 2006 as there were things that could have been done better before then, including the fateful decision not to sell the club in 2005, albeit I accept that would have been controversial.
Were Gold and Robinson from Birmingham the interested parties?
I wonder how many of you look back fondly on some of your ex-girlfriends and wives?
Sure, it was all nice and fun at some point. She treated you well at the beginning, but then she started hanging around some real nasty bitches and all of a sudden she just started showing her true colours and started being really selfish.
These new friends thought they could take the piss out of you and she just let it happen.
What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better.
Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage
Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
Key decisions were the appointment of Curbs as sole manager in 1995 and Varney in 1997 - Murray did not really make the 1991 appointment of joint managers although he and Simons were key to the return to The Valley in 1992. More so in the end than Alwen. You can’t make a clear distinction between pre and post 2006 as there were things that could have been done better before then, including the fateful decision not to sell the club in 2005, albeit I accept that would have been controversial.
The infrastructure did develop a lot between 92 and 97, when you consider the East Stand was built and the small West Stand was being significantly expanded, partially financed by the share issue. Although not finished until 1998, the West stand was well under construction when Varney joined in October 97, a crucial revenue earner for the club, and making the Valley a credible modern stadium
And of course it was the signing of Super Clive in 1997 which was the key ingredient in making us a genuine promotion contender, the first time we splashed the cash for a very long time, a clear attempt to get promotion.
Obviously he made mistakes as well before 2006, but overall Murray is heavily in credit for that period.
What Murray did which was successful was to bring in the right man and let him run the key aspects of the club. When he was unsuccessful, he tried to do those things himself. He has clearly demonstrated over the years that finding Curbs was immense good fortune and his ego decided to believe his own publicity. Murray was lucky, not talented in any way shape or form and we have seen him look down on fans and get into bed with people damaging to the club. We got that, his stupid ego seems to have still prevented him doing so. The further away from the club he is, the better.
Sorry, but it's grossly unfair and inaccurate to say Murray was just lucky or not talented, when you look at the 1991-2006 period, where the club was when he first got involved, and how far it developed, on AND off the pitch. Varney only joined in 1997, many of the key decisions had already been made by that stage
Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
Key decisions were the appointment of Curbs as sole manager in 1995 and Varney in 1997 - Murray did not really make the 1991 appointment of joint managers although he and Simons were key to the return to The Valley in 1992. More so in the end than Alwen. You can’t make a clear distinction between pre and post 2006 as there were things that could have been done better before then, including the fateful decision not to sell the club in 2005, albeit I accept that would have been controversial.
Were Gold and Robinson from Birmingham the interested parties?
I wonder how many of you look back fondly on some of your ex-girlfriends and wives?
Sure, it was all nice and fun at some point. She treated you well at the beginning, but then she started hanging around some real nasty bitches and all of a sudden she just started showing her true colours and started being really selfish.
These new friends thought they could take the piss out of you and she just let it happen.
To be fair to him (and yes I know he has made plenty of mistakes ). But after what he done for this club years ago I reckon he feels pretty sick about the whole situation.
takes a big man to hold their hands up and say “every c*** I’ve helped own our club has managed to outc*** the last c*** . Sorry for being a complete c*** and apologies Mr Varney come save us from these c***s . I’ll speak to the Belgian c*** and hopefully sort this c***ing mess out “ that sort of honesty I’d respect anything else doesn’t wash
If he wanted to do one thing he would be in touch with RD using his 'super guy's status saying all the stuff about Varney needs to be forgotten, telling RD has no chance of getting a deal with these crooks, so do a quick rental agreement with Varney and Barclay that can be sorted out later on and tear up your agreement with ESI.
Go on Richard show us what a super gut to CAFC really looks like
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It is the principal reason I have a Shaun Bartlett international shirt and a Lisbie shirt from after the LIverpool win on my walls.
Before then and after then it has either been 2nd or 3rd rate or worse. He has lost loads of money in the club, offered to discount his largest share of the £7m loans to get a decent new owner ( still not forthcoming). The incident with Jordan might not have been sensible but he thought Jordan had been rude and football is an emotional game and he hates Palace like we do. I believe falling out with Peter Varney ( which is very sad because they were a great team and Richard was always very complimentary about Peter) was basically about money which wouldnt be the first or last time that has happened in life. I'm sure Richard would admit he has made mistakes notably over the appointment of Dowie and personally I think he should have stepped down from the Board when Duchatelet arrived.
However we all make mistakes
Finally, he attends matches because he is a fan. Generally our owners either don't attend matches and /or aren't fans.
Surely, he would be vilified beyond redemption if he were to do this?
Dont really think that’s his forté
Of course it all went horribly wrong after 2006, but lets not rewrite history to ignore his contributions before then
Dowie struggled, but I maintain, he had not lost the dressing room when he was sacked. He was sacked because he was trying to break free of the shackles and manage. Reed was the ultimate reason we got relegated. Not trying to say Dowie was a great manager, but the 'new' structure was a major issue.
Sure, it was all nice and fun at some point. She treated you well at the beginning, but then she started hanging around some real nasty bitches and all of a sudden she just started showing her true colours and started being really selfish.
These new friends thought they could take the piss out of you and she just let it happen.
And of course it was the signing of Super Clive in 1997 which was the key ingredient in making us a genuine promotion contender, the first time we splashed the cash for a very long time, a clear attempt to get promotion.
Obviously he made mistakes as well before 2006, but overall Murray is heavily in credit for that period.
But after what he done for this club years ago I reckon he feels pretty sick about the whole situation.
that sort of honesty I’d respect anything else doesn’t wash
Go on Richard show us what a super gut to CAFC really looks like