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  • Charltonparklane
    Charltonparklane Posts: 5,786
    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Cause its in fckin Sunderland for a start mate.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,778
    Charltonparklane said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Cause its in fckin Sunderland for a start mate.
    To fans it's a way of life but, sadly, nowadays, it's as much a job and possible route to riches for footballers as it is purely a business for most club owners.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,806
    Um if I had limited family ties and was offered teo to three times what I’m in now for a better run firm with a huge support, decent beaches on the doorstep and some lovely lasses, I’d have a think to myself about priorities.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168
    edited January 2019
    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,117
    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,619
    Roland has clearly backed LB this season, when he’s wanted quality players he’s got them, the team is challenging for the automatics and that has a positive impact on the value and attractiveness of the club to any potential buyers. I very much doubt that there is going to be any pressure from RD to sell Grant. Karlan and his agent are going to be key and moving on in this transfer window instead of playing out the last 4 months of the season is just plain stupid imo. I can’t see him going. I hope I’m right but if I’m not it won’t stop us now.
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    letthegoodtimesroll said:

    Roland has clearly backed LB this season, when he’s wanted quality players he’s got them, the team is challenging for the automatics and that has a positive impact on the value and attractiveness of the club to any potential buyers. I very much doubt that there is going to be any pressure from RD to sell Grant. Karlan and his agent are going to be key and moving on in this transfer window instead of playing out the last 4 months of the season is just plain stupid imo. I can’t see him going. I hope I’m right but if I’m not it won’t stop us now.

    He could break his leg in April.
    If a premiership team comes in for him or his offered double , treble his money I'd be surprised if he stays.
  • Danny Addick
    Danny Addick Posts: 3,930
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
    Let’s not pretend Charlton is a glittering oasis, parts of it and surrounding areas are absolutely vile.
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,619
    clb74 said:

    letthegoodtimesroll said:

    Roland has clearly backed LB this season, when he’s wanted quality players he’s got them, the team is challenging for the automatics and that has a positive impact on the value and attractiveness of the club to any potential buyers. I very much doubt that there is going to be any pressure from RD to sell Grant. Karlan and his agent are going to be key and moving on in this transfer window instead of playing out the last 4 months of the season is just plain stupid imo. I can’t see him going. I hope I’m right but if I’m not it won’t stop us now.

    He could break his leg in April.
    If a premiership team comes in for him or his offered double , treble his money I'd be surprised if he stays.
    Out of interest, how many players in the top 4 divisions have broken a leg this season ? Must be a lot if it’s something to factor in for selling the opportunity of going for 30 goals in a season for 4 months of extra money between Feb and May to share with an agent and HMRC .
  • el-pietro
    el-pietro Posts: 611
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
    Edinburghs pretty nice. Leeds is alright in my experience.
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  • el-pietro
    el-pietro Posts: 611
    I keep hearing that he could go for free in the summer. Is that true? Hes U23, wouldn't Charlton be entitled to some form of compensation if he left before then? I have no idea how that compares to what the club might receive in a transfer fee. I know in Ireland we have this argument all the time, should we sell our star 21/22 year olds with 6 months left or wait til their contract is up and take the compensation. We're at the whims of the compensation rules then of course and it depends on the level they go to.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,560
    el-pietro said:

    I keep hearing that he could go for free in the summer. Is that true? Hes U23, wouldn't Charlton be entitled to some form of compensation if he left before then? I have no idea how that compares to what the club might receive in a transfer fee. I know in Ireland we have this argument all the time, should we sell our star 21/22 year olds with 6 months left or wait til their contract is up and take the compensation. We're at the whims of the compensation rules then of course and it depends on the level they go to.

    I think there are pre set amounts these days so don’t think it would go to tribunal. It’s a lot less than 2m. Someone suggested 350k elsewhere.
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,071
    Karlan might want to wait until the summer. Although Huddersfield are in the PL they won't be for long and I can't quite see them doing as well in the Championship next season. Basically Karlan should stay with us and fire us to promotion
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,568
    LargeAddick said:

    el-pietro said:

    I keep hearing that he could go for free in the summer. Is that true? Hes U23, wouldn't Charlton be entitled to some form of compensation if he left before then? I have no idea how that compares to what the club might receive in a transfer fee. I know in Ireland we have this argument all the time, should we sell our star 21/22 year olds with 6 months left or wait til their contract is up and take the compensation. We're at the whims of the compensation rules then of course and it depends on the level they go to.

    I think there are pre set amounts these days so don’t think it would go to tribunal. It’s a lot less than 2m. Someone suggested 350k elsewhere.
    It is matched to academy grading isn't it? So if RD had finished the academy work, in a few years we'd be getting a fair bit more if any of our young talent left. He could have at least done one thing right
  • el-pietro
    el-pietro Posts: 611
    edited January 2019
    LargeAddick said:

    el-pietro said:

    I keep hearing that he could go for free in the summer. Is that true? Hes U23, wouldn't Charlton be entitled to some form of compensation if he left before then? I have no idea how that compares to what the club might receive in a transfer fee. I know in Ireland we have this argument all the time, should we sell our star 21/22 year olds with 6 months left or wait til their contract is up and take the compensation. We're at the whims of the compensation rules then of course and it depends on the level they go to.

    I think there are pre set amounts these days so don’t think it would go to tribunal. It’s a lot less than 2m. Someone suggested 350k elsewhere.
    That sounds about right to me. So not nothing, but probably not enough to dissuade RD from selling him in order to hold onto him for a promotion run.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
    Whitley Bay, had some good weekends up there
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,778
    letthegoodtimesroll said:

    clb74 said:

    letthegoodtimesroll said:

    Roland has clearly backed LB this season, when he’s wanted quality players he’s got them, the team is challenging for the automatics and that has a positive impact on the value and attractiveness of the club to any potential buyers. I very much doubt that there is going to be any pressure from RD to sell Grant. Karlan and his agent are going to be key and moving on in this transfer window instead of playing out the last 4 months of the season is just plain stupid imo. I can’t see him going. I hope I’m right but if I’m not it won’t stop us now.

    He could break his leg in April.
    If a premiership team comes in for him or his offered double , treble his money I'd be surprised if he stays.
    Out of interest, how many players in the top 4 divisions have broken a leg this season ? Must be a lot if it’s something to factor in for selling the opportunity of going for 30 goals in a season for 4 months of extra money between Feb and May to share with an agent and HMRC .
    Or, conversely, he stays and doesn't score between now and the end of the season and consequently misses out on that big move? He did, after all, go two years and 45 games without scoring so it's not as if it hasn't happened previously is it?
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited January 2019
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
    Homesick are we?

    I’d go with Edinburgh or Newcastle.

    Also Whitburn, of course.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    edited January 2019
    LargeAddick said:

    el-pietro said:

    I keep hearing that he could go for free in the summer. Is that true? Hes U23, wouldn't Charlton be entitled to some form of compensation if he left before then? I have no idea how that compares to what the club might receive in a transfer fee. I know in Ireland we have this argument all the time, should we sell our star 21/22 year olds with 6 months left or wait til their contract is up and take the compensation. We're at the whims of the compensation rules then of course and it depends on the level they go to.

    I think there are pre set amounts these days so don’t think it would go to tribunal. It’s a lot less than 2m. Someone suggested 350k elsewhere.
    Think I am right that if you come through the youth and like Palmer that went to chelsea, never sign a contract with us and are U18 then it is EPPP rules, max £350k or something. If however you sign a contract like Grant has, but that then expires, then as long as RD has offered you another one at same or better wages then it goes to tribunal. No idea what sort of fee they might set but think Exeter or someone got a decent wedge from Chelsea a year or so back for a striker.

    This is also the reason I think RD would be mad to sell, if it was EPPP rules I could see the logic.

    Ed. Correct
    http://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2016/11/compensation-players-24-mystery/

    Small fees generally but Danny Ings was £6.5m under this tribunal
  • Rob7Lee
    Rob7Lee Posts: 9,595
    It’ll come down to Karlan himself. If someone offers a couple of million the club will take it, RD won’t see further than £2m being 3 - 4 months losses.

    Karlan I don’t believe would want to head far north, but if a London club ala Brentford came in for him with a decent contact I think he’ll take it.

    If he’s confident in his ability he’ll wait until the summer as for the low amount of compensation a new club would have to pay he’ll get a better package.

    Money talks even more than ever for footballers these days, how many of us wouldn’t move companies if someone offered to treble your money?
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  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,117
    Danny Addick said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
    Let’s not pretend Charlton is a glittering oasis, parts of it and surrounding areas are absolutely vile.
    Which is why I said London, not Charlton.
    JamesSeed said:


    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
    Homesick are we?
    Not a chance.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited January 2019
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Danny Addick said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
    Let’s not pretend Charlton is a glittering oasis, parts of it and surrounding areas are absolutely vile.
    Which is why I said London, not Charlton.
    JamesSeed said:


    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
    Homesick are we?
    Not a chance.
    Do you have a local football team to follow? (As a second team of course).
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,117
    edited January 2019
    JamesSeed said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Danny Addick said:

    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
    Let’s not pretend Charlton is a glittering oasis, parts of it and surrounding areas are absolutely vile.
    Which is why I said London, not Charlton.
    JamesSeed said:


    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    Addick Addict said:

    Sunderland will want a ready made replacement for Maja. Why would Grant not want to move, for more money on a longer contract than he has with us, to a bigger club in front of crowds of 30,000 plus every week?

    Because Sunderland. It’s a shithole miles from the nearest town that isn’t a shitthole.
    The nearest place to Sunderland that isn't a shithole...... London?
    Homesick are we?
    Not a chance.
    Do you have a local football team to follow? (As a second team of course).
    No, there isn't a football team in the entire province, which has annoyed me ever since I moved here.

    Honghe and Yuxi both have HUGE tobacco companies and could easily bankroll a successful team, there have been rumours about it happening a few times, but nothing has ever materialised.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    I think Olly should put together a showreel of Grant bloopers to send to Huddersfield. Against Accrington he struggled to get the ball under control in the first half, and later missed a tap in (from a Grant cross) with an air shot.
    Add to those the three missed one-on-ones from the previous match and job done!
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Where has the Sunderland link to Grant come from? Another invention on here?
  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,679
    Be careful out there Karlan ...

    Charlton - West Ham - Huddersfield - Milton Keynes - Charlton - Godoy Cruz - Pafos - ?
  • AveryAddick
    AveryAddick Posts: 214
    Just walked past the training ground on Friday morning, watching the squad warm up there was no Karlan Grant . Looks like Roland’s January sales have started. Of course there may be an innocent reason. With only one loan place left, even if Grant has gone Duchatelet will have to get 2 strikers in to improve our position. Not looking good.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    If any offer comes in for Grant he's gone.
  • Greenie
    Greenie Posts: 9,172
    The Red Robin said:

    If any offer comes in for Grant he's gone.

    I agree, The Rat has history and I think this transfer window will define our season.
    Bowyer has (somehow) worked miracles with our squad, but you watch Ratty unravel it all just for a (relative) few quid.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Greenie said:

    The Red Robin said:

    If any offer comes in for Grant he's gone.

    I agree, The Rat has history and I think this transfer window will define our season.
    Bowyer has (somehow) worked miracles with our squad, but you watch Ratty unravel it all just for a (relative) few quid.
    I'll be over the moon if the squad remains unchanged by Feb 1st but I can't see it happening. As you suggest, RD's history is our strongest indicator here.

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