The sad thing is that the Brexit voters in Sunderland have been so duped by the anti-Europe nut jobs in the country they probably still think Brexit is a good idea.
Part of me says “let them have it” but the really sad thing is that those who felt so disenfranchised that they wanted to believe Farage/Johnson when they offered themselves someone else to blame for their lot in life are about to feel the worst of what is heading our way. This is now shaping up to be a disaster of huge proportions.
Nope - let them have it - they deserve to suffer for their gross stupidity.
Who the fuck would vote for Brexit when your town relies on making cars for export to Europe?
It'd be like Whisky distillers in Scotland voting for prohibition.
That one did puzzle me a bit I must admit.
Of course we all know that if we let them have it, the economic disaster to come will not be because of Brexit but the compromise Brexit they had to put up with. The excuses have already been written.
You can't really have a Canada+ (or ++ or +++ or ++++ ....) trade deal because they have most favoured nation status with the EU (like Japan),so any terms given to another country such as the UK, would automatically have to be given to Canada & Japan. So all you can have is Canada.
You can't really have a Canada+ (or ++ or +++ or ++++ ....) trade deal because they have most favoured nation status with the EU (like Japan),so any terms given to another country such as the UK, would automatically have to be given to Canada & Japan. So all you can have is Canada.
That makes sense.
Just to add to the shitfest though - we could have a Canada deal with the EU whilst at the same time not having a trade deal with Canada!!
we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.
european project that seems to be a stonking success considering it has brought economic prosperity and peace between all members. It's a shame that brexiters think we're too weak or small to be able to influence and control the EU from within it. You would hope they would believe in the country.
we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.
European project says it all, sad the UK is getting out when greater union and collaboration was within reach. The UK fought an honourable war against Naziism, so did many many people and forces across Europe. Czech and Polish pilots saved the UK in the Battle of Britain and this is the thanks the UK shows!
we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.
European project says it all, sad the UK is getting out when greater union and collaboration was within reach. The UK fought an honourable war against Naziism, so did many many people and forces across Europe. Czech and Polish pilots saved the UK in the Battle of Britain and this is the thanks the UK shows!
We shouldn’t stay in the EU to “thank” Polish or Czech pilots and we shouldn’t leave because we won WW2. WW2 was about 70 odd years ago and has absolutely nothing to do with legitimate arguments over Brexit on either side of the debate - don’t play their game Seth!
You can't really have a Canada+ (or ++ or +++ or ++++ ....) trade deal because they have most favoured nation status with the EU (like Japan),so any terms given to another country such as the UK, would automatically have to be given to Canada & Japan. So all you can have is Canada.
I fear that what the ERG and the EU27/Commission mean by Canada +++ are distinctly different things. For the ERG it's an enhanced FTA with unfettered access to the benefits of the Single Market. From the way that Donald Tusk is talking, it seems the EU27 view is that it is an FTA with enhanced non-economic cooperation built in, things like continuation of the European Arrest Warrant, police intelligence sharing, and the like.
So, it may be that the ERG crowing that they and the EU27 agree may be a tad premature.
Wow! Chippy's latest comment seems to solve the problem of the irish border and how we can make a go of brexit. Possibly the best post i've ever seen on any forum ever. I just hope HM government sees it and employs him as DexEU minister.
Wow! Chippy's latest comment seems to solve the problem of the irish border and how we can make a go of brexit. Possibly the best post i've ever seen on any forum ever. I just hope HM government sees it and employs him as DexEU minister.
Brexiters banging on about WWI must be forgetting or maybe don't know that Churchill was a great advocate of European co-operation and integration. If the UK had been as isolationist as some Brexiters want today it's probable we would have never even have entered into the war at all.
Brexiters banging on about WWI must be forgetting or maybe don't know that Churchill was a great advocate of European co-operation and integration. If the UK had been as isolationist as some Brexiters want today it's probable we would have never even have entered into the war at all.
He also said, "We are with Europe, but not of it." Post war Europe needed something to rebuild around for future peace and security. He believed the UK should be a friend and sponsor of that project, along with the USA and USSR, not necessarily a member.
Wow! Chippy's latest comment seems to solve the problem of the irish border and how we can make a go of brexit. Possibly the best post i've ever seen on any forum ever. I just hope HM government sees it and employs him as DexEU minister.
Never mind that. I'm just impressed at the way he's getting "whose" and "who's" right now.
Wow! Chippy's latest comment seems to solve the problem of the irish border and how we can make a go of brexit. Possibly the best post i've ever seen on any forum ever. I just hope HM government sees it and employs him as DexEU minister.
Never mind that. I'm just impressed at the way he's getting "whose" and "who's" right now.
I can't believe how many posts are about chippy. You all give him a hard time when he is posting. But now he isn't posting you all miss him. Long live the chipster 😊😊
Brexiters banging on about WWI must be forgetting or maybe don't know that Churchill was a great advocate of European co-operation and integration. If the UK had been as isolationist as some Brexiters want today it's probable we would have never even have entered into the war at all.
He also said, "We are with Europe, but not of it." Post war Europe needed something to rebuild around for future peace and security. He believed the UK should be a friend and sponsor of that project, along with the USA and USSR, not necessarily a member.
You're aware this quote was from a 1930, not post war, essay from Churchill entitled, "The United States of Europe" in which he espouses the benefits of a tariff free, passportless continent with minimal barriers to the movement of people and trade right?
I can't believe how many posts are about chippy. You all give him a hard time when he is posting. But now he isn't posting you all miss him. Long live the chipster 😊😊
Brexiters banging on about WWI must be forgetting or maybe don't know that Churchill was a great advocate of European co-operation and integration. If the UK had been as isolationist as some Brexiters want today it's probable we would have never even have entered into the war at all.
He also said, "We are with Europe, but not of it." Post war Europe needed something to rebuild around for future peace and security. He believed the UK should be a friend and sponsor of that project, along with the USA and USSR, not necessarily a member.
You're aware this quote was from a 1930, not post war, essay from Churchill entitled, "The United States of Europe" in which he espouses the benefits of a tariff free, passportless continent with minimal barriers to the movement of people and trade right?
Yes, we were on WW1. I was just trying to point out that Churchill's take on Europe wasn't as pro as the previous post inferred, although that view was probably coloured by the British Empire still being intact.
Brexiters banging on about WWI must be forgetting or maybe don't know that Churchill was a great advocate of European co-operation and integration. If the UK had been as isolationist as some Brexiters want today it's probable we would have never even have entered into the war at all.
He also said, "We are with Europe, but not of it." Post war Europe needed something to rebuild around for future peace and security. He believed the UK should be a friend and sponsor of that project, along with the USA and USSR, not necessarily a member.
You're aware this quote was from a 1930, not post war, essay from Churchill entitled, "The United States of Europe" in which he espouses the benefits of a tariff free, passportless continent with minimal barriers to the movement of people and trade right?
Yes, we were on WW1. I was just trying to point out that Churchill's take on Europe wasn't as pro as the previous post inferred, although that view was probably coloured by the British Empire still being intact.
Great. Good to hear it. Otherwise it might look like you were referring to that made up, stitched together, bullshit meme that got circulated by Leavers at the time of the referendum misquoting Churchill so it seemed like he would be in favour of Brexit. But you weren't, so that's a good thing.
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Of course we all know that if we let them have it, the economic disaster to come will not be because of Brexit but the compromise Brexit they had to put up with. The excuses have already been written.
Just to add to the shitfest though - we could have a Canada deal with the EU whilst at the same time not having a trade deal with Canada!!
The UK fought an honourable war against Naziism, so did many many people and forces across Europe. Czech and Polish pilots saved the UK in the Battle of Britain and this is the thanks the UK shows!
So, it may be that the ERG crowing that they and the EU27 agree may be a tad premature.
You all give him a hard time when he is posting.
But now he isn't posting you all miss him.
Long live the chipster 😊😊