I'm not claiming the EU is some sort of fishing-stock nirvana, far from it. What I am saying though is that it's better than the Brexit alternative. As I was quite clear above 'Far more needs to be done'.
From what I can see from the various graphs and reports available, fish stock have increased since 2006 and mortality rates have fallen, so it would seem the CFP is doing its job. Of course there's plenty of debate to be had around how well it's doing its job, and the consequences of that, but the situation with cod in particular has massively improved over the last decade.
You are ignoring the Mail's in depth research on the subject.
From what I can see from the various graphs and reports available, fish stock have increased since 2006 and mortality rates have fallen, so it would seem the CFP is doing its job. Of course there's plenty of debate to be had around how well it's doing its job, and the consequences of that, but the situation with cod in particular has massively improved over the last decade.
You are ignoring the Mail's in depth research on the subject.
The mail isn't good enough for Wikipedia and it's not good enough for me.
So Stig and NI. You think fish stocks have been better protected by EU regs than would have been the case if each nation protected its own stocks? Fair play to you. Have European fish stocks remained the same since the E U took control of them?
Clue. No, they haven't.
I think the question is whether, as individual nations, each nation would have protected its fish stocks. For much of the 20th Century fishing fleets acted as if there was some kind of never-ending Klondike gold rush out at sea - in many regards (not least because of the range of species) the only means of effectively protecting stocks is by multilateral agreement.
While the CFP can obviously be improved, a single European voice and approach is more sensible than a fragmented approach, but all member states are responsible for ensuring that the CFP works for everyone and prevents overfishing.
Like a lot of other EU policies, the CFP was not done to us, but by us. UK Governments agreed to the policy and the division of fish stocks and, at the same time reduced the numbers of fishery protection vessels. There's no evidence that protection of fish stocks has been, or would be, a priority for HMG.
The only thing I know on the subject is that Norway had depleted their fish stocks, and had to bite the bullet long ago on terms of protecting them... They also have extensive fishing waters. This was part of Norway's reason to not join the EU (other very important considerations as well) after their own referenda. Shows you can protect fish stocks of properly managed I guess
The only thing I know on the subject is that Norway had depleted their fish stocks, and had to bite the bullet long ago on terms of protecting them... They also have extensive fishing waters. This was part of Norway's reason to not join the EU (other very important considerations as well) after their own referenda. Shows you can protect fish stocks if properly managed I guess
There's the rub though. Since when did the UK government (particularly the tories) do anything to properly manage anything where there's a fast buck to be made today, and to hell with the future?
It wont be done properly (if at all) in a capitalist obsessed society like the UK.
The only thing I know on the subject is that Norway had depleted their fish stocks, and had to bite the bullet long ago on terms of protecting them... They also have extensive fishing waters. This was part of Norway's reason to not join the EU (other very important considerations as well) after their own referenda. Shows you can protect fish stocks of properly managed I guess
Iceland are the same. They put in an application join the EU about 10 years ago and have since withdrawn it, with fishery protection a main reason. They have managed their fisheries to keep them in good order but even so there are problems as the larger fishing and processing companies are forcing smaller operators out. The fish are a finite resource and with the best will in the world, even well managed fisheries don't have enough to go around.
The CFP has even more countries fighting for their share of this finite resource, so is really on a loser if it's going to try and manage stocks but still give everyone the quota they want.
The only thing I know on the subject is that Norway had depleted their fish stocks, and had to bite the bullet long ago on terms of protecting them... They also have extensive fishing waters. This was part of Norway's reason to not join the EU (other very important considerations as well) after their own referenda. Shows you can protect fish stocks of properly managed I guess
Iceland are the same. They put in an application join the EU about 10 years ago and have since withdrawn it, with fishery protection a main reason. They have managed their fisheries to keep them in good order but even so there are problems as the larger fishing and processing companies are forcing smaller operators out. The fish are a finite resource and with the best will in the world, even well managed fisheries don't have enough to go around.
The CFP has even more countries fighting for their share of this finite resource, so is really on a loser if it's going to try and manage stocks but still give everyone the quota they want.
This is where we are at. The EU and the four freedoms which also apply to EFTA are not going to be undermined by English nationalists.
So where does that leave the UK and Brexit? We either leave everything, run BINO or call the whole thing off.
This Tory concept that we can leave but retain the privileges and access we want is simply not going to be allowed. Never was and M.Barnier has not shifted on this in over two years.
No extensions, no compromises - the Cabinet have to cut a deal OR Parliament needs to change the government. If neither happen then we have no deal by default and that is the disruptive game which Johnson and Rees Mogg are playing. Let us not mistake their contribution as random or accidental. For its a deliberate ploy to crash us out... And then blame the EU.
The sad thing is that the Brexit voters in Sunderland have been so duped by the anti-Europe nut jobs in the country they probably still think Brexit is a good idea.
Scrolled down too quickly there and read that blockchain was the solution to protecting fish stocks
You certainly can’t catch any fish with blockchain, they just swim straight through it. Will soon be replaced with netChain which will totally eliminate the little smelly fuckers from the seas.
The sad thing is that the Brexit voters in Sunderland have been so duped by the anti-Europe nut jobs in the country they probably still think Brexit is a good idea.
Part of me says “let them have it” but the really sad thing is that those who felt so disenfranchised that they wanted to believe Farage/Johnson when they offered themselves someone else to blame for their lot in life are about to feel the worst of what is heading our way. This is now shaping up to be a disaster of huge proportions.
The sad thing is that the Brexit voters in Sunderland have been so duped by the anti-Europe nut jobs in the country they probably still think Brexit is a good idea.
Part of me says “let them have it” but the really sad thing is that those who felt so disenfranchised that they wanted to believe Farage/Johnson when they offered themselves someone else to blame for their lot in life are about to feel the worst of what is heading our way. This is now shaping up to be a disaster of huge proportions.
Nope - let them have it - they deserve to suffer for their gross stupidity.
Who the fuck would vote for Brexit when your town relies on making cars for export to Europe?
It'd be like Whisky distillers in Scotland voting for prohibition.
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While the CFP can obviously be improved, a single European voice and approach is more sensible than a fragmented approach, but all member states are responsible for ensuring that the CFP works for everyone and prevents overfishing.
Like a lot of other EU policies, the CFP was not done to us, but by us. UK Governments agreed to the policy and the division of fish stocks and, at the same time reduced the numbers of fishery protection vessels. There's no evidence that protection of fish stocks has been, or would be, a priority for HMG.
It wont be done properly (if at all) in a capitalist obsessed society like the UK.
The CFP has even more countries fighting for their share of this finite resource, so is really on a loser if it's going to try and manage stocks but still give everyone the quota they want.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-guy-verhofstadt-tory-conference-european-parliament-eu-a8564401.html
So where does that leave the UK and Brexit? We either leave everything, run BINO or call the whole thing off.
This Tory concept that we can leave but retain the privileges and access we want is simply not going to be allowed. Never was and M.Barnier has not shifted on this in over two years.
No extensions, no compromises - the Cabinet have to cut a deal OR Parliament needs to change the government. If neither happen then we have no deal by default and that is the disruptive game which Johnson and Rees Mogg are playing. Let us not mistake their contribution as random or accidental. For its a deliberate ploy to crash us out... And then blame the EU.
The sad thing is that the Brexit voters in Sunderland have been so duped by the anti-Europe nut jobs in the country they probably still think Brexit is a good idea.
(God I hope I just made this up and it doesn’t actually happen)
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/prisoners-of-war-held-in-kent-190863/
Will this be the escape route or not ?
Maybe a solution has been suggested, but I haven't heard it yet.
Who the fuck would vote for Brexit when your town relies on making cars for export to Europe?
It'd be like Whisky distillers in Scotland voting for prohibition.
says it all. glad we're getting out.
we saved most of them from Hitler's european project 70 years ago & thats the thanks we get.