I think it is a fair point - there will be many aspects of religions that we don't understand and it is enough to respect that these things are important to some people. If there was an issue with women terrorists concealing themselves to avoid detection, there would of course need to be a debate - but it is ridiculous to invent a problem which isn't there. It ultimately comes done to respect.
i went into a foreign exchange place on friday last week and was told to remove my hat for security reasons, you know that when these wearers of religous garments travel then what happens? they have to be taken off to a secure point so the security agent can see it - costing time and holding people up.
headscarves are a part of the religion if your an orthodox follower and i respect that - but these full face covers are a personal choice and one that i dont think should be accepted in the uk - if you do want to wear them move to a more liberal country like germany or france - actually dont as they are already banned there.
they are intimidating i think, no different to a gang of kids with scarves up round there faces.
its about time we worried about the majority rather than the minority - many muslims have stated that these rags are ridiculous.
Johnson doesn't argue for a ban though, of course.
As for the bit in bold, i've travelled extensively in the middle east and experienced no such hold ups, there are many hold ups travelling in the middle east because of culture, this is absolutely not one of them, because, as you say they have to go off to another point in the airport. Their faces are seen by an agent and they can be passed for travel or immigration. When not in use for this reason, these areas can be used for other checks.
Personally, i don't like the niqab or the burka, i'd never force my wife to do anything, but then i'd take exception to a public figure referring to my wife with any culturally stereotypical epithet, such as letterbox.The claim that this is some sort of joke, when it is a lazy, rude and insensitive term that has been around for a long time is disingenuous. He should apologise for being a crass ignoramus and we should all move on. Boris deserves to be consigned to the dustbin of history, but he won't be because he'll keep spouting nonsense that even he doesn't believe to keep his name on the record.
I’m talking about travelling in the UK you know the country I live in - I would expect the Middle East to be able to deal with such.
I think it is a fair point - there will be many aspects of religions that we don't understand and it is enough to respect that these things are important to some people. If there was an issue with women terrorists concealing themselves to avoid detection, there would of course need to be a debate - but it is ridiculous to invent a problem which isn't there. It ultimately comes done to respect.
i went into a foreign exchange place on friday last week and was told to remove my hat for security reasons, you know that when these wearers of religous garments travel then what happens? they have to be taken off to a secure point so the security agent can see it - costing time and holding people up.
headscarves are a part of the religion if your an orthodox follower and i respect that - but these full face covers are a personal choice and one that i dont think should be accepted in the uk - if you do want to wear them move to a more liberal country like germany or france - actually dont as they are already banned there.
they are intimidating i think, no different to a gang of kids with scarves up round there faces.
its about time we worried about the majority rather than the minority - many muslims have stated that these rags are ridiculous.
Johnson doesn't argue for a ban though, of course.
As for the bit in bold, i've travelled extensively in the middle east and experienced no such hold ups, there are many hold ups travelling in the middle east because of culture, this is absolutely not one of them, because, as you say they have to go off to another point in the airport. Their faces are seen by an agent and they can be passed for travel or immigration. When not in use for this reason, these areas can be used for other checks.
Personally, i don't like the niqab or the burka, i'd never force my wife to do anything, but then i'd take exception to a public figure referring to my wife with any culturally stereotypical epithet, such as letterbox.The claim that this is some sort of joke, when it is a lazy, rude and insensitive term that has been around for a long time is disingenuous. He should apologise for being a crass ignoramus and we should all move on. Boris deserves to be consigned to the dustbin of history, but he won't be because he'll keep spouting nonsense that even he doesn't believe to keep his name on the record.
I’m talking about travelling in the UK you know the country I live in - I would expect the Middle East to be able to deal with such.
I have to travel from the UK to the middle East funnily enough, no problems at Heathrow or Gatwick either. Same response from security and border agents at Heathrow. We don't have a ban, so they mitigate the issue. At airports they should ban travelling with kids, they hold lines up far worse than anyone in a burka or niqab, oh and business men with laptops, iPads, kindles and liquids.
When I rode a motorbike I had to remove my full face crash helmet in banks. I know it was for security as I might have been a bank robber. Nobody ever tried to post a letter in my big mouth though. If Boris had used an analogy that was a bit more sensible, like a comparison with full faced helmets and security it might have worked but he merely used two rather nasty comparisons which yet again revealed his distain. He was the picaninny man, the one who made the comment about dead bodies on Lybian beaches and there are others. His comments in the newspaper looked to me to be another play for support from the unreconstructed racists in the Tory party. The Labour party issue about Jewish people and putting them down for being Jewish by some party members is a genuine problem. However in my limited experience racial hatred is more prevalent on the right than the left.
I think Boris should be flogged through the streets and put in prison for life - for hurting peoples feelings and offending people that the issue does not affect.
I have read that Boris becoming Her Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs was just another in a very long line of silly blunders.
May was apparently going through a list of names of prospective cabinet members and wrote F Off beside Boris Johnson's name. A junior Cabinet Office civil servant misinterpreted what that meant.
I think Boris should be flogged through the streets and put in prison for life - for hurting peoples feelings and offending people that the issue does not affect.
Funny you should mention imprisonment. Boris walked away from his job without resolving the imprisonment of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe whose plight he worsened. It isn't only feelings he hurts.
When I rode a motorbike I had to remove my full face crash helmet in banks. I know it was for security as I might have been a bank robber. Nobody ever tried to post a letter in my big mouth though. If Boris had used an analogy that was a bit more sensible, like a comparison with full faced helmets and security it might have worked but he merely used two rather nasty comparisons which yet again revealed his distain. He was the picaninny man, the one who made the comment about dead bodies on Lybian beaches and there are others. His comments in the newspaper looked to me to be another play for support from the unreconstructed racists in the Tory party. The Labour party issue about Jewish people and putting them down for being Jewish by some party members is a genuine problem. However in my limited experience racial hatred is more prevalent on the right than the left.
Unfortunately for Boris this is just another in a long line of crass and insensitive comments in my opinion. There is definitely scope for a wider debate about the suitability of headwear on Muslim women, and he his entitled to his opinion. It’s the wording and manner of how he delivers his opinions that for me demonstrate what a vile human being he is. This is a man who held the role of foreign secretary and was responsible for building diplomatic relations on behalf of Britain with other countries and as a result other races. He knows exactly what he’s doing every time he opens his mouth and unfortunately has managed to disguise his loathsome approach as some sort of error prone guffaw type image that gets brushed under the carpet by some because it’s ‘Boris’ and you know, that’s what he’s like
Take away his very very obvious act, and you’re left with the real man. The real man is a scummy little pompous twat who has only ever mixed or sought the appreciation of other scummy little pompous twats. If you think he or any other like him would be good for this country you need your heads testing
The man is abhorrent and the sooner he disappears from the UK political scene the better we’ll all be
He’s a cretin and someone that has got away with it for too long. A stain on the British political landscape
I think Boris should be flogged through the streets and put in prison for life - for hurting peoples feelings and offending people that the issue does not affect.
It’s people like you that are the target audience Boris wants to impress. Nothing more.
I think Boris should be flogged through the streets and put in prison for life - for hurting peoples feelings and offending people that the issue does not affect.
It’s people like you that are the target audience Boris wants to impress. Nothing more.
So even though you don’t know me - it’s people like me, based on your opinions of some postings on an Internet forum, cheers treacle
As Rowan Atkinson says all religious jokes offend - so what’s the point in apologising for them.
The pseudo familiarity (if that’s the right term) gets on my tits. It’s Johnson or Boris Johnson. Please let’s leave out the Boris, Bojo stuff. He’s nobody here’s mate.
If there was a proven security issue it would be a completely different matter - respecting cultures/religions has to have limits when security is concerned. What concerns me about some people in this country, is they don't try to see the bigger picture. You can feed them anything - all muslims are terrorists, women who cover their faces are bank robbers etc... and they lap it up and the foam starts dripping from their mouths about issues that don't affect or impact on them in the slightest.
Then you get lazy stereo types like some people are posting on here, like they know the reasons some muslim women cover their faces is so they don't have to put on make up. They post it on here like it is fact, but if they think that is the reason women make that choice they are illustrating the point.
Why can't we just adopt a standpoint where if people are not bothering, threatening or affecting our way of life, we let them live their chosen way of life? You look back through history, look how people seem so bothered what consenting gay people get up to. It is none of my business, the same as what heterosexual people get up to, why should it even be an issue? It wasn't so long ago that people in same sex relationships were imprisoned in this country!
We do have to be sensitive to people when we use our language. Had Boris made the comments to some like minded mates, jokingly in a pub - I would have less of a problem with it. It isn't anything to be proud of, but its what people do. The problem is, he said them so that muslim people could read them. He is truly a vile man. How he gets a free pass for being a self effacing oaf is incredible. Sadly for him, I think more and more people are intelligent enough to see through him. Intelligence will always be the enemy of Boris. Not referring to him, but in those who potentially might support him.
I think Boris should be flogged through the streets and put in prison for life - for hurting peoples feelings and offending people that the issue does not affect.
It’s people like you that are the target audience Boris wants to impress. Nothing more.
So even though you don’t know me - it’s people like me, based on your opinions of some postings on an Internet forum, cheers treacle
As Rowan Atkinson says all religious jokes offend - so what’s the point in apologising for them.
The pseudo familiarity (if that’s the right term) gets on my tits. It’s Johnson or Boris Johnson. Please let’s leave out the Boris, Bojo stuff. He’s nobody here’s mate.
I think Boris should be flogged through the streets and put in prison for life - for hurting peoples feelings and offending people that the issue does not affect.
It’s people like you that are the target audience Boris wants to impress. Nothing more.
So even though you don’t know me - it’s people like me, based on your opinions of some postings on an Internet forum, cheers treacle
As Rowan Atkinson says all religious jokes offend - so what’s the point in apologising for them.
Apologies if you dont want to come across as an apologist for what Boris said but your post to me at least makes it look that way.
If there was a proven security issue it would be a completely different matter - respecting cultures/religions has to have limits when security is concerned. What concerns me about some people in this country, is they don't try to see the bigger picture. You can feed them anything - all muslims are terrorists, women who cover their faces are bank robbers etc... and they lap it up and the foam starts dripping from their mouths about issues that don't affect or impact on them in the slightest.
Then you get lazy stereo types like some people are posting on here, like they know the reasons some muslim women cover their faces is so they don't have to put on make up. They post it on here like it is fact, but if they think that is the reason women make that choice they are illustrating the point.
Why can't we just adopt a standpoint where if people are not bothering, threatening or affecting our way of life, we let them live their chosen way of life? You look back through history, look how people seem so bothered what consenting gay people get up to. It is none of my business, the same as what heterosexual people get up to, why should it even be an issue? It wasn't so long ago that people in same sex relationships were imprisoned in this country!
We do have to be sensitive to people when we use our language. Had Boris made the comments to some like minded mates, jokingly in a pub - I would have less of a problem with it. It isn't anything to be proud of, but its what people do. The problem is, he said them so that muslim people could read them. He is truly a vile man. How he gets a free pass for being a self effacing oaf is incredible. Sadly for him, I think more and more people are intelligent enough to see through him. Intelligence will always be the enemy of Boris. Not referring to him, but in those who potentially might support him.
stop trying to stop legitimate criticism of islam. Smear after smear.
I think Boris should be flogged through the streets and put in prison for life - for hurting peoples feelings and offending people that the issue does not affect.
It’s people like you that are the target audience Boris wants to impress. Nothing more.
So even though you don’t know me - it’s people like me, based on your opinions of some postings on an Internet forum, cheers treacle
As Rowan Atkinson says all religious jokes offend - so what’s the point in apologising for them.
Hello. Is that YouGov ? Times here. Could you have a quick ring around a representative cross section of voters in let’s say Buckingham and let us know what it’s looking like out there.
Hello. Is that YouGov ? Times here. Could you have a quick ring around a representative cross section of voters in let’s say Buckingham and let us know what it’s looking like out there.
Hello. Is that YouGov ? Times here. Could you have a quick ring around a representative cross section of voters in let’s say Buckingham and let us know what it’s looking like out there.
got any other polls?
Isn't this why some people voted for Brexit? Too many.
Hello. Is that YouGov ? Times here. Could you have a quick ring around a representative cross section of voters in let’s say Buckingham and let us know what it’s looking like out there.
got any other polls?
Isn't this why some people voted for Brexit? Too many.
so that's why people voted to leave the EU, nothing to do with custom unions, free movement etc. It was those dastardly polls!
Johnson defenders: it’s not anti Islam cos look at all these Muslims that say a burka isn’t required
Labour anti semitism defenders: it’s not anti Semitic to say you’re anti zionist, look at all these Jews that say Zionism isn’t a requirement for their faith
Johnson defenders: it’s not anti Islam cos look at all these Muslims that say a burka isn’t required
Labour anti semitism defenders: it’s not anti Semitic to say you’re anti zionist, look at all these Jews that say Zionism isn’t a requirement for their faith
bojo's filth certainly isn't criticism of Islam, it's flat out bullying of women for what they wear, it's egregious because we all know full well which women he's bullying and why.
don't see much wrong with what boris said - as many islam followers have stated including imans it has no religous meaning and i find it intimidating and offensive, a woman on itv last night who wears the niqab - which is the "letterbox" where as a burqa is a veil with a mesh like viewing part - stating that you people don't need to understand it you just need to respect it, what an arrogant individual.
That's arrogant ? How about people saying it should be banned as it's forced on women.... and women that say they wear it by choice are lieing
I've read that in the white British media... to me that's arrogant
I have not said it should be banned because it’s forced on women - it should be banned because it covers a whole face and doesn’t have a place in modern society.
What’s white British media?
Arrogance is stating that this, that or any other apparel "...doesn’t have a place in modern society..."
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I know it was for security as I might have been a bank robber.
Nobody ever tried to post a letter in my big mouth though.
If Boris had used an analogy that was a bit more sensible, like a comparison with full faced helmets and security it might have worked but he merely used two rather nasty comparisons which yet again revealed his distain.
He was the picaninny man, the one who made the comment about dead bodies on Lybian beaches and there are others. His comments in the newspaper looked to me to be another play for support from the unreconstructed racists in the Tory party.
The Labour party issue about Jewish people and putting them down for being Jewish by some party members is a genuine problem. However in my limited experience racial hatred is more prevalent on the right than the left.
The similarities in how Johnson and Corbyn are being defended and the racism used to attack those speaking out are scary.
May was apparently going through a list of names of prospective cabinet members and wrote F Off beside Boris Johnson's name. A junior Cabinet Office civil servant misinterpreted what that meant.
The rest is history.
Boris walked away from his job without resolving the imprisonment of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe whose plight he worsened.
It isn't only feelings he hurts.
Take away his very very obvious act, and you’re left with the real man. The real man is a scummy little pompous twat who has only ever mixed or sought the appreciation of other scummy little pompous twats. If you think he or any other like him would be good for this country you need your heads testing
The man is abhorrent and the sooner he disappears from the UK political scene the better we’ll all be
He’s a cretin and someone that has got away with it for too long. A stain on the British political landscape
As Rowan Atkinson says all religious jokes offend - so what’s the point in apologising for them.
Then you get lazy stereo types like some people are posting on here, like they know the reasons some muslim women cover their faces is so they don't have to put on make up. They post it on here like it is fact, but if they think that is the reason women make that choice they are illustrating the point.
Why can't we just adopt a standpoint where if people are not bothering, threatening or affecting our way of life, we let them live their chosen way of life? You look back through history, look how people seem so bothered what consenting gay people get up to. It is none of my business, the same as what heterosexual people get up to, why should it even be an issue? It wasn't so long ago that people in same sex relationships were imprisoned in this country!
We do have to be sensitive to people when we use our language. Had Boris made the comments to some like minded mates, jokingly in a pub - I would have less of a problem with it. It isn't anything to be proud of, but its what people do. The problem is, he said them so that muslim people could read them. He is truly a vile man. How he gets a free pass for being a self effacing oaf is incredible. Sadly for him, I think more and more people are intelligent enough to see through him. Intelligence will always be the enemy of Boris. Not referring to him, but in those who potentially might support him.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tories-take-four-point-poll-lead-over-labour-p5gnfxwt0
Despite an absolute shambles of a government.
Hello. Is that YouGov ? Times here. Could you have a quick ring around a representative cross section of voters in let’s say Buckingham and let us know what it’s looking like out there.
EDIT: Think i just got the joke. Whoosh for me.
Corbyn/labour defenders: you’re stifling legitimate criticism of Israel.
Both are downplaying and so encouraging racism.
Labour anti semitism defenders: it’s not anti Semitic to say you’re anti zionist, look at all these Jews that say Zionism isn’t a requirement for their faith