How do the Tories need to change?
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Oh Well, Boris it is thenAddickted4life said:Rob7Lee said:
Good one, I was struggling to come up with anyone but she’d be pretty good I reckon.Croydon said:
Ruth DavidsonChaz Hill said:It gets worse. Esther McFester fancying her chances now!
I thought Andrew Marr pulled Johnson apart pretty well yday. He certainly didn't look too happy as the programme faded out.
Any of our Conservative minded contributors got any preferences for their next leader?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/16/ruth-davidson-rules-out-bid-become-conservative-leader-scottish-tory
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Murmurings of 48 tubes putting in their letters of no confidence to remove their Chief Tube
Great, get to see more self indulgent wank from this shit stain of a party whilst the country potentially goes down the plug hole5 -
Don't think she's going anywhere, I thought 48 had to send in the letters to force a vote then a ballot of all Tory MP's, so you need about 160 to vote her out still, not sure there is that strength of feeling if they've struggled to get the 48 letters.cabbles said:Murmurings of 48 tubes putting in their letters of no confidence to remove their Chief Tube
Great, get to see more self indulgent wank from this shit stain of a party whilst the country potentially goes down the plug hole1 -
I struggle to see any other credible candidatesRob7Lee said:
Don't think she's going anywhere, I thought 48 had to send in the letters to force a vote then a ballot of all Tory MP's, so you need about 160 to vote her out still, not sure there is that strength of feeling if they've struggled to get the 48 letters.cabbles said:Murmurings of 48 tubes putting in their letters of no confidence to remove their Chief Tube
Great, get to see more self indulgent wank from this shit stain of a party whilst the country potentially goes down the plug hole
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Well if there are 48 letters she will be forced to resign as PM. She could certainly stand and fight for re election and she might win but it’s a massive blow that she might not recover from.Rob7Lee said:
Don't think she's going anywhere, I thought 48 had to send in the letters to force a vote then a ballot of all Tory MP's, so you need about 160 to vote her out still, not sure there is that strength of feeling if they've struggled to get the 48 letters.cabbles said:Murmurings of 48 tubes putting in their letters of no confidence to remove their Chief Tube
Great, get to see more self indulgent wank from this shit stain of a party whilst the country potentially goes down the plug hole
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After tonight only one choice...... Bowyer, he'd have Brexit sorted within the week!cabbles said:
I struggle to see any other credible candidatesRob7Lee said:
Don't think she's going anywhere, I thought 48 had to send in the letters to force a vote then a ballot of all Tory MP's, so you need about 160 to vote her out still, not sure there is that strength of feeling if they've struggled to get the 48 letters.cabbles said:Murmurings of 48 tubes putting in their letters of no confidence to remove their Chief Tube
Great, get to see more self indulgent wank from this shit stain of a party whilst the country potentially goes down the plug hole2 -
There is a secret confidence ballot by the MPs first and if she loses she will be forced to resign.ShootersHillGuru said:
Well if there are 48 letters she will be forced to resign as PM. She could certainly stand and fight for re election and she might win but it’s a massive blow that she might not recover from.Rob7Lee said:
Don't think she's going anywhere, I thought 48 had to send in the letters to force a vote then a ballot of all Tory MP's, so you need about 160 to vote her out still, not sure there is that strength of feeling if they've struggled to get the 48 letters.cabbles said:Murmurings of 48 tubes putting in their letters of no confidence to remove their Chief Tube
Great, get to see more self indulgent wank from this shit stain of a party whilst the country potentially goes down the plug hole1 -
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I think you've been misled, that's not how it works at all.ShootersHillGuru said:
Well if there are 48 letters she will be forced to resign as PM. She could certainly stand and fight for re election and she might win but it’s a massive blow that she might not recover from.Rob7Lee said:
Don't think she's going anywhere, I thought 48 had to send in the letters to force a vote then a ballot of all Tory MP's, so you need about 160 to vote her out still, not sure there is that strength of feeling if they've struggled to get the 48 letters.cabbles said:Murmurings of 48 tubes putting in their letters of no confidence to remove their Chief Tube
Great, get to see more self indulgent wank from this shit stain of a party whilst the country potentially goes down the plug hole2 -
Looks like a vote tonight, needs 100 plus I would think to oust her, god knows who’ll we’ll get after that.Stu_of_Kunming said:
I think you've been misled, that's not how it works at all.ShootersHillGuru said:
Well if there are 48 letters she will be forced to resign as PM. She could certainly stand and fight for re election and she might win but it’s a massive blow that she might not recover from.Rob7Lee said:
Don't think she's going anywhere, I thought 48 had to send in the letters to force a vote then a ballot of all Tory MP's, so you need about 160 to vote her out still, not sure there is that strength of feeling if they've struggled to get the 48 letters.cabbles said:Murmurings of 48 tubes putting in their letters of no confidence to remove their Chief Tube
Great, get to see more self indulgent wank from this shit stain of a party whilst the country potentially goes down the plug hole
Interesting times, what a mess.0 -
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Will need a big rabbit out of the hat from the EU today to survive I would think.0
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Trying to think of the most ridiculous replacement?
JRM
Bojo
Gove?0 -
Would it be wrong to say that it breaks my heart to see the Tories tearing themselves apart?5
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...how apt that there's even a typo in the statement announcing it.IA said:3 -
48 votes forces a vote of confidence, she would then need 158 votes to not be forced out but a number near that might make her resign.ShootersHillGuru said:
Well if there are 48 letters she will be forced to resign as PM. She could certainly stand and fight for re election and she might win but it’s a massive blow that she might not recover from.Rob7Lee said:
Don't think she's going anywhere, I thought 48 had to send in the letters to force a vote then a ballot of all Tory MP's, so you need about 160 to vote her out still, not sure there is that strength of feeling if they've struggled to get the 48 letters.cabbles said:Murmurings of 48 tubes putting in their letters of no confidence to remove their Chief Tube
Great, get to see more self indulgent wank from this shit stain of a party whilst the country potentially goes down the plug hole0 -
Party First, Country Second, always the Tory way12
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I don't care if May gets ousted - she's a loathesome human being and a perfect example of why I would never vote Tory. But this just shows how utterly inept and useless they are as a government. Who are they possibly going to bring in who would unite the party? I'm not discussing the political merits of any of those who fancy having Prime Minister on their CV - it's a simple question of who could bring some sort of order to the chaos in their party over Brexit, and then bring some sort of recognisable order to their ongoing plan to have Brexit at whatever cost to the nation.
My initial view was that logically, for something this big some sort of cross party Alliance might have been an idea, but I'd be the first to admit that if neither of the big two can get any semblance of unity within their own ranks (Labour seems to have done this better by allowing Momentum to shove out anyone not prepared to worship Corbyn) there is no chance they could unite together to achieve an orderly Brexit. At the moment I'm not sure if the government is in danger as Labour, SNP and other bits don't have the numbers to contrive a no confidence vote. Maybe if the Tories elect someone like Boris whose naked ambition beyond any sort of ability makes him a real threat to the nation, some of the remainers might jump ship. But they know they may be letting Corbyn into power. Would they really risk that?
Just to add to what @Muttley said earlier, while I feel May is getting a kicking from her own side which says more about their self importance than the deal she bought back, this mess is hers. She bought back this deal, and pfaffed around for weeks knowing full well her collegues would vote it down, and at the last minute, with the time rapidly running out, she kicked the can down the road in order to save herself. Like Cameron, who delivered this mess, another Tory PM who puts self above party, and party above country. It'll be exciting today, but if May gets thrown out, it'll be well deserved, and she will go down as the most useless PM in the history of our democracy.6 -
Always the politicians way, I think you'll find. Also I think you are wrong in another way. It should read self first, party second, country third.Rothko said:Party First, Country Second, always the Tory way
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I think Cameron should come back. Make the fucker clear up the mess and sink with the ship3
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Curbs 16/1RodneyCharltonTrotta said:4 -
Not sure whether to Lol, like or flag that.McBobbin said:I think Cameron should come back. Make the fucker clear up the mess and sink with the ship
So I went for quote.5 -
The problem for the Tories is that May has played this badly. But May has had a foot in both camps. Her replacement would have to do that. But given where we are in the Brexit process, you can't really do that! Probably Javid or Hunt would be the best bet for them, but it is a nightmare for them and ultimately the country.
Sadly for May, the option she always had was to say, if parliament can't accept the deal, I'll let the people who voted for Brexit do so. She has resisted the thing that would have helped her.2 -
You're assuming May is going to lose the vote.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem for the Tories is that May has played this badly. But May has had a foot in both camps. Her replacement would have to do that. But given where we are in the Brexit process, you can't really do that! Probably Javid or Hunt would be the best bet for them, but it is a nightmare for them and ultimately the country.
Sadly for May, the option she always had was to say, if parliament can't accept the deal, I'll let the people who voted for Brexit do so. She has resisted the thing that would have helped her.
I just can't see that happening.4 -
The real question is about how big is the vote against her.Stu_of_Kunming said:
You're assuming May is going to lose the vote.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem for the Tories is that May has played this badly. But May has had a foot in both camps. Her replacement would have to do that. But given where we are in the Brexit process, you can't really do that! Probably Javid or Hunt would be the best bet for them, but it is a nightmare for them and ultimately the country.
Sadly for May, the option she always had was to say, if parliament can't accept the deal, I'll let the people who voted for Brexit do so. She has resisted the thing that would have helped her.
I just can't see that happening.
There has been a reasonably stable consensus (among the political opinion pieces I have been reading over the last 6 months or so) that, in the event of a leadership challenge, her position would be untenable if much more than 100 MPs voted for the no-confidence motion (for all that she would be safe from another challenge for 12 months).
Admittedly, she has demonstrated a determination to cling on, no matter how unattractive the option, until now, and she may flout the "rules" of thumb...1 -
She won’t quit, even if she only wins by one vote she won’t quit.NornIrishAddick said:
The real question is about how big is the vote against her.Stu_of_Kunming said:
You're assuming May is going to lose the vote.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem for the Tories is that May has played this badly. But May has had a foot in both camps. Her replacement would have to do that. But given where we are in the Brexit process, you can't really do that! Probably Javid or Hunt would be the best bet for them, but it is a nightmare for them and ultimately the country.
Sadly for May, the option she always had was to say, if parliament can't accept the deal, I'll let the people who voted for Brexit do so. She has resisted the thing that would have helped her.
I just can't see that happening.
There has been a reasonably stable consensus (among the political opinion pieces I have been reading over the last 6 months or so) that, in the event of a leadership challenge, her position would be untenable if much more than 100 MPs voted for the no-confidence motion (for all that she would be safe from another challenge for 12 months).
Admittedly, she has demonstrated a determination to cling on, no matter how unattractive the option, until now, and she may flout the "rules" of thumb...4 -
I think you are rightse9addick said:
She won’t quit, even if she only wins by one vote she won’t quit.NornIrishAddick said:
The real question is about how big is the vote against her.Stu_of_Kunming said:
You're assuming May is going to lose the vote.MuttleyCAFC said:The problem for the Tories is that May has played this badly. But May has had a foot in both camps. Her replacement would have to do that. But given where we are in the Brexit process, you can't really do that! Probably Javid or Hunt would be the best bet for them, but it is a nightmare for them and ultimately the country.
Sadly for May, the option she always had was to say, if parliament can't accept the deal, I'll let the people who voted for Brexit do so. She has resisted the thing that would have helped her.
I just can't see that happening.
There has been a reasonably stable consensus (among the political opinion pieces I have been reading over the last 6 months or so) that, in the event of a leadership challenge, her position would be untenable if much more than 100 MPs voted for the no-confidence motion (for all that she would be safe from another challenge for 12 months).
Admittedly, she has demonstrated a determination to cling on, no matter how unattractive the option, until now, and she may flout the "rules" of thumb...0 -
|She is one nasty self opinionated bitch who thinks she can walk on water. Well, the truth be told, she struggles to walk on tarmac!! I've seen ironing boards with more grace.
Never thought I'd say it but she is worse than Thatcher!!3 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46237174
The list of those who have confirmed they have sent their ‘letter’.
A complete shower of talentless shit.0
