Jeff Stelling's rant on Hartlepool
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Absolutely this. Little bit out of order by Stelling imho.JiMMy 85 said:Really like Jeff. Don't blame him for having the passion to rant. But feel a bit uncomfortable about him demanding someone else get sacked, let alone using his position on TV to do it. I think Jones has a right to be angry at him.
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He has his charity work as well that makes him a top bloke.1
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Whilst I tend to agree, is it any different to rants against current club employees by ex players with a million followers on twitter?JiMMy 85 said:Really like Jeff. Don't blame him for having the passion to rant. But feel a bit uncomfortable about him demanding someone else get sacked, let alone using his position on TV to do it. I think Jones has a right to be angry at him.
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I have to disagree, so a football manager got called out for being crap, good, as it should be. Jones is angry.....ahhh, never mind.JiMMy 85 said:Really like Jeff. Don't blame him for having the passion to rant. But feel a bit uncomfortable about him demanding someone else get sacked, let alone using his position on TV to do it. I think Jones has a right to be angry at him.
Well done JS.1 -
Yes in the sense that Twitter is a platform designed for sharing personal opinion. Stelling's role on a television is to impartially inform the audience, he's a mouthpiece for Sky (thus Sky could be accused of costing Jones his job, something I'd imagine he's likely to discuss with a lawyer). That he blatantly and humourously breaks that rule for Hartlepool is usually good fun, but in this instance it doesn't seem right.ValleyGary said:
Whilst I tend to agree, is it any different to rants against current club employees by ex players with a million followers on twitter?JiMMy 85 said:Really like Jeff. Don't blame him for having the passion to rant. But feel a bit uncomfortable about him demanding someone else get sacked, let alone using his position on TV to do it. I think Jones has a right to be angry at him.
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I must admit to being a bit uncomfortable with his rant and believe he did probably cross the line between professionalism and partisanship - and with a degree of real anger thrown in.JiMMy 85 said:
Yes in the sense that Twitter is a platform designed for sharing personal opinion. Stelling's role on a television is to impartially inform the audience, he's a mouthpiece for Sky (thus Sky could be accused of costing Jones his job, something I'd imagine he's likely to discuss with a lawyer). That he blatantly and humourously breaks that rule for Hartlepool is usually good fun, but in this instance it doesn't seem right.ValleyGary said:
Whilst I tend to agree, is it any different to rants against current club employees by ex players with a million followers on twitter?JiMMy 85 said:Really like Jeff. Don't blame him for having the passion to rant. But feel a bit uncomfortable about him demanding someone else get sacked, let alone using his position on TV to do it. I think Jones has a right to be angry at him.
But what redress do you think Jones would have against Stelling and/or Sky?
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This was just a lapse imo. He's a professional 99.9% of the time, even when he does his humourous bit on the Hartlepool result. This was a big outburst, but his team are on the brink of the conference. I think most football fans would struggle to hold together in that situation even if operating in a professional capacity. People erupt with emotion all the time, I don't think Dave Jones can complain.JiMMy 85 said:
Yes in the sense that Twitter is a platform designed for sharing personal opinion. Stelling's role on a television is to impartially inform the audience, he's a mouthpiece for Sky (thus Sky could be accused of costing Jones his job, something I'd imagine he's likely to discuss with a lawyer). That he blatantly and humourously breaks that rule for Hartlepool is usually good fun, but in this instance it doesn't seem right.ValleyGary said:
Whilst I tend to agree, is it any different to rants against current club employees by ex players with a million followers on twitter?JiMMy 85 said:Really like Jeff. Don't blame him for having the passion to rant. But feel a bit uncomfortable about him demanding someone else get sacked, let alone using his position on TV to do it. I think Jones has a right to be angry at him.
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If he was an Addick, and said the same about Charlton/Robinson, anyone on here who said he was in the wrong would be slaughtered, and rightly so...10
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That's a fatuous argument though - I'm vehemently opposed to capital punishment but wouldn't feel the same way about the perpetrator if any of my loved ones' was murdered.Algarveaddick said:If he was an Addick, and said the same about Charlton/Robinson, anyone on here who said he was in the wrong would be slaughtered, and rightly so...
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With the way football clubs are being run I actually hope more now have the courage to do the same.1
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Only on CL - a football fan calls for a manager to be sacked and within a few posts its aligned with murder and execution.bobmunro said:
That's a fatuous argument though - I'm vehemently opposed to capital punishment but wouldn't feel the same way about the perpetrator if any of my loved ones' was murdered.Algarveaddick said:If he was an Addick, and said the same about Charlton/Robinson, anyone on here who said he was in the wrong would be slaughtered, and rightly so...
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I would though, so I see your fatuous argument and raise you hypocrisy...bobmunro said:
That's a fatuous argument though - I'm vehemently opposed to capital punishment but wouldn't feel the same way about the perpetrator if any of my loved ones' was murdered.Algarveaddick said:If he was an Addick, and said the same about Charlton/Robinson, anyone on here who said he was in the wrong would be slaughtered, and rightly so...
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Chris Sutton on R5Live recently verbally slaughtered Wenger .. he should go, he's washed up etc. etc. ...
managers are well paid, love the limelight, accept praise when it comes, so equally they should be big enough to accept criticism if they are doing a bad job, just like any worker would be criticised/sacked/shunned for poor work ..
mind you, Sutton will look silly if Wenger/Arsenal wins the FA Cup and gets a champions league spot0 -
FoldAlgarveaddick said:
I would though, so I see your fatuous argument and raise you hypocrisy...bobmunro said:
That's a fatuous argument though - I'm vehemently opposed to capital punishment but wouldn't feel the same way about the perpetrator if any of my loved ones' was murdered.Algarveaddick said:If he was an Addick, and said the same about Charlton/Robinson, anyone on here who said he was in the wrong would be slaughtered, and rightly so...
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Maybe not but I bet he's asking the question. Ofcom would certainly slap him on the wrists. They hate Sky.bobmunro said:
I must admit to being a bit uncomfortable with his rant and believe he did probably cross the line between professionalism and partisanship - and with a degree of real anger thrown in.JiMMy 85 said:
Yes in the sense that Twitter is a platform designed for sharing personal opinion. Stelling's role on a television is to impartially inform the audience, he's a mouthpiece for Sky (thus Sky could be accused of costing Jones his job, something I'd imagine he's likely to discuss with a lawyer). That he blatantly and humourously breaks that rule for Hartlepool is usually good fun, but in this instance it doesn't seem right.ValleyGary said:
Whilst I tend to agree, is it any different to rants against current club employees by ex players with a million followers on twitter?JiMMy 85 said:Really like Jeff. Don't blame him for having the passion to rant. But feel a bit uncomfortable about him demanding someone else get sacked, let alone using his position on TV to do it. I think Jones has a right to be angry at him.
But what redress do you think Jones would have against Stelling and/or Sky?
None whatsoever.
Probably best you steer clear of metaphors and analogies really.Greenie said:
Only on CL - a football fan calls for a manager to be sacked and within a few posts its aligned with murder and execution.bobmunro said:
That's a fatuous argument though - I'm vehemently opposed to capital punishment but wouldn't feel the same way about the perpetrator if any of my loved ones' was murdered.Algarveaddick said:If he was an Addick, and said the same about Charlton/Robinson, anyone on here who said he was in the wrong would be slaughtered, and rightly so...
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Isn't partisanship ship a vegetable? I'm sure it's a Parsnip Artichoke hybrid.bobmunro said:
I must admit to being a bit uncomfortable with his rant and believe he did probably cross the line between professionalism and partisanship - and with a degree of real anger thrown in.JiMMy 85 said:
Yes in the sense that Twitter is a platform designed for sharing personal opinion. Stelling's role on a television is to impartially inform the audience, he's a mouthpiece for Sky (thus Sky could be accused of costing Jones his job, something I'd imagine he's likely to discuss with a lawyer). That he blatantly and humourously breaks that rule for Hartlepool is usually good fun, but in this instance it doesn't seem right.ValleyGary said:
Whilst I tend to agree, is it any different to rants against current club employees by ex players with a million followers on twitter?JiMMy 85 said:Really like Jeff. Don't blame him for having the passion to rant. But feel a bit uncomfortable about him demanding someone else get sacked, let alone using his position on TV to do it. I think Jones has a right to be angry at him.
But what redress do you think Jones would have against Stelling and/or Sky?
None whatsoever.0 -
Met Jeff whilst appearing as a contestant on Alphabetical recently. Really nice guy. We chatted about the state of ownership at Charlton both on and off camera. Hopefully some of it will make the broadcast as some publicity for our plight.5
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The thing about this is Jeff Stelling isn't a stupid man. He works for Sky Sports and he knows one thing for sure. It's that publicity gets you change. Who do you think is under more pressure; Arsene Wenger as he tries to get Arsenal to qualify for the Champions League for the 400th season in a row, or the likes of Roland and Becchetti who are actively destroying entire football clubs? It's Wenger all day.
Sky Sports focus hugely on the plight of the humble Arsenal fan, travelling away to Bayern Munich and Barcelona, seeing Sanchez and Ozil play against the top teams in the country and weeping when they don't win every game, and the little clubs get the odd mention on Soccer Saturday. By publicly ranting Jeff knew he would effect change, and it's happened. I imagine whatever happens now it's given Hartlepool their best chance of staying up. Can you blame him? Maybe it's not hugely professional but football isn't a very professional area. You get paid too much money, you kick a ball around, do some emojis on Twitter and move onto your next increased paycheck, and if you run the show you get to do whatever you feel like with no regulatory oversight while the fans get gouged on higher ticket prices every season even as the money coming in goes up. Fuck 'professionalism' and fuck Dave Jones's hurt feelings. All I hope is that whoever replaces Jeff is a massive Charlton fan and he gives a speech on our behalf half as passionate as the one Jeff gave.19 -
Thing is... Its not even his first rant on Sky Sports... He's from the North East and when Middlesbrough was voted one of the worst towns this is what happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO8yHVYof44
Then he has a rant @ Clattenburg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDkF1DWAdFE 4 -
Done nothing wrong.0
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Well said HenryHenry Irving said:So called "fans" like him should shut up and get behind the team and manager.
Better the devil you know.
The board have promised next year will be different, there are two games left so this is the time for supporting the club.2 -
Oo get her, sorry Miss.JiMMy 85 said:
Maybe not but I bet he's asking the question. Ofcom would certainly slap him on the wrists. They hate Sky.bobmunro said:
I must admit to being a bit uncomfortable with his rant and believe he did probably cross the line between professionalism and partisanship - and with a degree of real anger thrown in.JiMMy 85 said:
Yes in the sense that Twitter is a platform designed for sharing personal opinion. Stelling's role on a television is to impartially inform the audience, he's a mouthpiece for Sky (thus Sky could be accused of costing Jones his job, something I'd imagine he's likely to discuss with a lawyer). That he blatantly and humourously breaks that rule for Hartlepool is usually good fun, but in this instance it doesn't seem right.ValleyGary said:
Whilst I tend to agree, is it any different to rants against current club employees by ex players with a million followers on twitter?JiMMy 85 said:Really like Jeff. Don't blame him for having the passion to rant. But feel a bit uncomfortable about him demanding someone else get sacked, let alone using his position on TV to do it. I think Jones has a right to be angry at him.
But what redress do you think Jones would have against Stelling and/or Sky?
None whatsoever.
Probably best you steer clear of metaphors and analogies really.Greenie said:
Only on CL - a football fan calls for a manager to be sacked and within a few posts its aligned with murder and execution.bobmunro said:
That's a fatuous argument though - I'm vehemently opposed to capital punishment but wouldn't feel the same way about the perpetrator if any of my loved ones' was murdered.Algarveaddick said:If he was an Addick, and said the same about Charlton/Robinson, anyone on here who said he was in the wrong would be slaughtered, and rightly so...
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Stig - over here mate...Garrymanilow said:The thing about this is Jeff Stelling isn't a stupid man. He works for Sky Sports and he knows one thing for sure. It's that publicity gets you change. Who do you think is under more pressure; Arsene Wenger as he tries to get Arsenal to qualify for the Champions League for the 400th season in a row, or the likes of Roland and Becchetti who are actively destroying entire football clubs? It's Wenger all day.
Sky Sports focus hugely on the plight of the humble Arsenal fan, travelling away to Bayern Munich and Barcelona, seeing Sanchez and Ozil play against the top teams in the country and weeping when they don't win every game, and the little clubs get the odd mention on Soccer Saturday. By publicly ranting Jeff knew he would effect change, and it's happened. I imagine whatever happens now it's given Hartlepool their best chance of staying up. Can you blame him? Maybe it's not hugely professional but football isn't a very professional area. You get paid too much money, you kick a ball around, do some emojis on Twitter and move onto your next increased paycheck, and if you run the show you get to do whatever you feel like with no regulatory oversight while the fans get gouged on higher ticket prices every season even as the money coming in goes up. Fuck 'professionalism' and fuck Dave Jones's hurt feelings. All I hope is that whoever replaces Jeff is a massive Charlton fan and he gives a speech on our behalf half as passionate as the one Jeff gave.2 -
So some people are suggesting Stelling cost the bloke his job.....nothing to do with the fact that they have been in freefall for months and are about to get relegated from the Football League!13
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The Guardian has a feature on Hartlepool & Stelling today.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/apr/28/hartlepool-jeff-stelling-sky-league-two-relegation0 -
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That picture is just brilliant !!
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Hope they stay up for him0
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Watching Soccer Saturday and he is being very calm and almost neutral re the Hartlepool and Newport games; very different to his normal approach.
Think he's been told to tone it down?0 -
Nightmare minute for poor old Jeff. Doncaster score and Newport score from a pen. You could see the anguish in his eyes as he the camera cut to the break.
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