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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • So why would one of these debts suddenly be paid? Especially if Roland is trying to sell?
  • Oggy Red said:

    Scoham said:

    It’s happening... well a document has appeared on Baton 2010 Limited’s page on companies house:

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07326155/filing-history/MzIwNzcxNTUxMGFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0

    I'm guessing but does that mean one of the debentures held by one of the previous directors has been paid off? I'm most likely miles off.
    That's how I read it also, Henry. But really I wasn't sure exactly what it implied.
    Maybe the delay was paying off Murray so he doesn't have to haunt the club anymore.
  • Up till now the fixed charges that ex-directors have on the real estate has prevented Duchâtelet from selling the club and keeping the Valley, - at least that is my understanding.

    If Duchâtelet is trying to settle all these charges and ex-directors are willing to comply, then we are truly f##ked
  • SE7 vol-a-vents don't appear to know anything by the way @Henry Irving. Seem reliant on press reports. Perksy is very quiet. Maybe she's moved to Sheffield.
  • Debentures are debt not backed by any assets.

    I don't see Roland setting up the debt he owes to himself as not being backed by the assets of the club. And no bank would set up debt that way. So what other debt could it be?

    Debt that has a clause for example that the money "does not have to be paid off until the club is promoted" would qualify as a debenture.

    I would not at all be surprised if the director debt is set up as a debenture. In other words, directors do not have recourse to sell off assets of the club if the debt falls through. The debt is simply dependent on the club's creditworthiness or promise.
  • They’re the only things satisfied in this entire nobjockery then.....
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  • edited June 2018

    As far as far as we know we still have no CEO, no FD and only a temporary manager which all indicates to me that Duchatelet wants to sell asap.

    If he was really planning to run the club next season he would have to appoint to those roles.

    100%
    Wouldn't put it past him to leave it till the last minute.

    Wouldn't be the first time the squad is padded up with cheap last minute loans either.
  • If Angeldust is correct then I’m fairly sure that we’ll hear something official from the Aussies.

    I hope Muir has a receipt for his scarf so he can get his money back.
    Credit Note only. Perhaps he can buy five or six portions of Charlton chips.
  • edited June 2018

    Up till now the fixed charges that ex-directors have on the real estate has prevented Duchâtelet from selling the club and keeping the Valley, - at least that is my understanding.

    If Duchâtelet is trying to settle all these charges and ex-directors are willing to comply, then we are truly f##ked

    Companies house shows those charges are the ones numbered 3 to 9 and they are still in place. 1 & 2 were HSBC and Lombard North and they've been satisfied. The directors ones are 3 Derek Chappell, 4 David White 5 David Hughes 6 Sir Maurice Hatter 7 Richard Murray 8 56 Developments LLP (Robert and Helen Whitehand) 9 David Sumners
    Companies House also shows that the HSBC charge has just been satisfied against the listing by giving the date. It’s just paperwork and nothing to do with repaying the ex-directors’ loans.
  • shirty5 said:

    Whats Angeldust apparently said then?

    'Australian party have pretty much all but walked away I've just been told.

    Duchatelet actively looking for personnel to run the club next season.'

    Bexley Boy / Colin has called him a liar. It's all kicking off. Strange bunch.

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    DOUCHER has said the same here. Although he may be Bexley Boy for all I know.

    Both from Bexley, but 2 different individuals
    Probably know each other.
  • DOUCHER said:

    I'd say that unless one of the aussies has got up onto the meeting room table and laid down a large brown cable on Duchatalet's rep's notepad, things are still being negotiated and getting ever closer. Fingers crossed.

    I thought you were ITK or are you finally admitting all your wind up dickery has been just that?
    I know a certain amount as I get updates every now and then - mainly when I ask - if anything concrete or significant happens I will let u know - my info is never a wind up - I sometimes wind idiots up when they start
  • Whats Angeldust apparently said then?

    'Australian party have pretty much all but walked away I've just been told.

    Duchatelet actively looking for personnel to run the club next season.'

    Bexley Boy / Colin has called him a liar. It's all kicking off. Strange bunch.

    image

    DOUCHER has said the same here. Although he may be Bexley Boy for all I know.

    Nope - do keep up
  • shirty5 said:

    Whats Angeldust apparently said then?

    'Australian party have pretty much all but walked away I've just been told.

    Duchatelet actively looking for personnel to run the club next season.'

    Bexley Boy / Colin has called him a liar. It's all kicking off. Strange bunch.

    image

    DOUCHER has said the same here. Although he may be Bexley Boy for all I know.

    Both from Bexley, but 2 different individuals
    Probably know each other.
    Nope
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  • Saw an article from today that stated RD intends to "rationalize" the club's expenditures to the level of "other League One clubs" which will include laying off non-playing staff. Cancelling the tour of the club was just the first step in this process.

    Translation... he has no intention of aiming for promotion in any way whatsoever and plans to stay in this league until the club is sold with the goal of minimizing losses to himself.
  • Up till now the fixed charges that ex-directors have on the real estate has prevented Duchâtelet from selling the club and keeping the Valley, - at least that is my understanding.

    If Duchâtelet is trying to settle all these charges and ex-directors are willing to comply, then we are truly f##ked

    Companies house shows those charges are the ones numbered 3 to 9 and they are still in place. 1 & 2 were HSBC and Lombard North and they've been satisfied. The directors ones are 3 Derek Chappell, 4 David White 5 David Hughes 6 Sir Maurice Hatter 7 Richard Murray 8 56 Developments LLP (Robert and Helen Whitehand) 9 David Sumners
    Companies House also shows that the HSBC charge has just been satisfied against the listing by giving the date. It’s just paperwork and nothing to do with repaying the ex-directors’ loans.
    So what could that mean in relation to any takeover?
  • DOUCHER said:

    DOUCHER said:

    I'd say that unless one of the aussies has got up onto the meeting room table and laid down a large brown cable on Duchatalet's rep's notepad, things are still being negotiated and getting ever closer. Fingers crossed.

    I thought you were ITK or are you finally admitting all your wind up dickery has been just that?
    I know a certain amount as I get updates every now and then - mainly when I ask - if anything concrete or significant happens I will let u know - my info is never a wind up - I sometimes wind idiots up when they start
    Do us all a favour then. Fucking ask what's going on!
    If anything concrete or significant happens I won't have to ask
  • Saw an article from today that stated RD intends to "rationalize" the club's expenditures to the level of "other League One clubs" which will include laying off non-playing staff. Cancelling the tour of the club was just the first step in this process.

    Translation... he has no intention of aiming for promotion in any way whatsoever and plans to stay in this league until the club is sold with the goal of minimizing losses to himself.

    I haven't seen anything to convince me that RD is working towards rationalising club expenditure commensurate with a place in L1.

    His actions make it very likely Charlton won't avoid relegation this season.
  • Up till now the fixed charges that ex-directors have on the real estate has prevented Duchâtelet from selling the club and keeping the Valley, - at least that is my understanding.

    If Duchâtelet is trying to settle all these charges and ex-directors are willing to comply, then we are truly f##ked

    Companies house shows those charges are the ones numbered 3 to 9 and they are still in place. 1 & 2 were HSBC and Lombard North and they've been satisfied. The directors ones are 3 Derek Chappell, 4 David White 5 David Hughes 6 Sir Maurice Hatter 7 Richard Murray 8 56 Developments LLP (Robert and Helen Whitehand) 9 David Sumners
    Companies House also shows that the HSBC charge has just been satisfied against the listing by giving the date. It’s just paperwork and nothing to do with repaying the ex-directors’ loans.
    So what could that mean in relation to any takeover?
    It’s just housekeeping because the overdraft facility is no longer there, I assume.
  • edited June 2018
    DOUCHER said:

    DOUCHER said:

    I'd say that unless one of the aussies has got up onto the meeting room table and laid down a large brown cable on Duchatalet's rep's notepad, things are still being negotiated and getting ever closer. Fingers crossed.

    I thought you were ITK or are you finally admitting all your wind up dickery has been just that?
    I know a certain amount as I get updates every now and then - mainly when I ask - if anything concrete or significant happens I will let u know - my info is never a wind up - I sometimes wind idiots up when they start
    We get an official statement months back which claimed 'price had been agreed', so what's been the main sticking point...

    Do you know..?

  • Up till now the fixed charges that ex-directors have on the real estate has prevented Duchâtelet from selling the club and keeping the Valley, - at least that is my understanding.

    If Duchâtelet is trying to settle all these charges and ex-directors are willing to comply, then we are truly f##ked

    Companies house shows those charges are the ones numbered 3 to 9 and they are still in place. 1 & 2 were HSBC and Lombard North and they've been satisfied. The directors ones are 3 Derek Chappell, 4 David White 5 David Hughes 6 Sir Maurice Hatter 7 Richard Murray 8 56 Developments LLP (Robert and Helen Whitehand) 9 David Sumners
    Companies House also shows that the HSBC charge has just been satisfied against the listing by giving the date. It’s just paperwork and nothing to do with repaying the ex-directors’ loans.
    So what could that mean in relation to any takeover?
    It’s just housekeeping because the overdraft facility is no longer there, I assume.
    Possibly but any purchaser would also want it removed.

  • joeaddick said:

    DOUCHER said:

    DOUCHER said:

    I'd say that unless one of the aussies has got up onto the meeting room table and laid down a large brown cable on Duchatalet's rep's notepad, things are still being negotiated and getting ever closer. Fingers crossed.

    I thought you were ITK or are you finally admitting all your wind up dickery has been just that?
    I know a certain amount as I get updates every now and then - mainly when I ask - if anything concrete or significant happens I will let u know - my info is never a wind up - I sometimes wind idiots up when they start
    We get an official statement months back which claimed 'price had been agreed', so what's been the main sticking point...

    Do you know..?

    I'm told the aussies r now trying to pay less - this was before the konsa sale
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