I say it again where is Murray while all this is going on?
He should be putting a sound business case to Roland showing why it is prudent to cut his losses and sell at a lower price. He was quite happy at the start to remind him that he did not have many years left so wanted to take the club to the premier league asap sic
You are right but the once much admired Murray has long since chosen to hide in the shadows in the hope that he gets one final chance to go again with a new owner. I suspect 2shits views him as a total irrelevance even if he did decide to pipe up.
The above is what you wrote last night, @AFKABartram.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
kin ell.
I know what i wrote last night. I wrote it.
You tell me then what can be done to make him lower his demands?
What has been done so far, which has been unsuccessful in making him sell at a fair value / lower his demands has been:
- 50+ protests at home - 20+ protests in his own country - multiple game stoppages - massive security costs - 300+ marching through his town - picketing of his places of ownership and places of work - leafleting in his town - multiple flytipping of his property - graffeti of his properties - reduced income to the club - international press ridiculing his name - disruption to his local elections - harrassement to his key employees and their families - disruption at games of other clubs in his network - multiple interuption at STVV to his social engagements - disruption to his birthday celebrations with his family - hate mail / threats to his personal safety
basically, the kitchen sink has been thrown at it and not one of those things has been successful in forcing / encouraging him to lower his demands to a level his not comfortable with. If rumours are true, over the last couple of months he has allegedly increased his demands.
So what based on the above is so outlandish in my viewpoint that there is no evidence that protesting has been / will be successful in leading him to sell outside of a level that he in his own mind sees as him comfortable with (delivering faith in his own mind that he has not 'lost' during this experiment?)
Surely all that has happened over the last five years points to that, no?
Not to mention the £60k plus, spunked up the wall in the process!
I doubt any of it was your money, judging by your posts here and elsewhere.
If he really wanted to sell there would be a deal to be done. Writing off debt, paying off loans, interest free loan to the club, be part of the consortium, delayed payments etc etc. We might not like the thought of it, just saying if he really got himself involved with the discussion and used a bit of imagination he could find an acceptable deal that would as a minimum reduce his personal costs. He just wants it all his own way, and that’s not going to happen.
He also said on live radio that he would not recommend anyone to buy a football club. I don’t think he got that selling tip from Alan Sugar!
Tbf he probably did because Sir Alan said practically the same thing!
If he really wanted to sell there would be a deal to be done. Writing off debt, paying off loans, interest free loan to the club, be part of the consortium, delayed payments etc etc. We might not like the thought of it, just saying if he really got himself involved with the discussion and used a bit of imagination he could find an acceptable deal that would as a minimum reduce his personal costs. He just wants it all his own way, and that’s not going to happen.
He also said on live radio that he would not recommend anyone to buy a football club. I don’t think he got that selling tip from Alan Sugar!
I've long thought Roland is more Gerald Ratner than Alan Turing - this just confirmed my view.
RD said “the big problem is that every owner of a Championship football club is expected to lose £15million in operational losses every year. This is not an acceptable business model."
He needs to amend 2 words. Substitute expected for allowed and substitute £15M for £13M and he's accurate.
When the financial fair play changed then Duchatelet should have sold. But he didn’t & persisted with a flawed network system with ridiculous expensive contracts negotiated by someone with little apparent knowledge of football. He turned his back on knowledge & expertise in the club. The losses have feck all to do with EFL but his own incompetence for which he refuses any accountability whatsoever.
There are plenty of buyers for the club but are not going to buy at inflated price that recovers his losses that he is responsible for.
I am really tired of Duchatelet’s utter horseshit.
When the financial fair play changed then Duchatelet should have sold. But he didn’t & persisted with a flawed network system with ridiculous expensive contracts negotiated by someone with little apparent knowledge of football. He turned his back on knowledge & expertise in the club. The losses have feck all to do with EFL but his own incompetence for which he refuses any accountability whatsoever.
There are plenty of buyers for the club but are not going to buy at inflated price that recovers his losses that he is responsible.
I am really tired of Duchatelet’s utter horseshit.
Why do talk sport afford the cranky lump of effluence any air time. Nothing new ever comes to the fore with him. Excuses and blame shifting. We're all fucking tired of it. Pointless having the old fucker on
In an attempt to cling on to hope, is there any way that his rant about not offering Bowyer a contract could mirror his latest 'wise words'? I would imagine that he wanted to go onto Talksport for a live interview so he could rant about it not being his fault and the EFL rigging the vote etc etc. His rant about Bowyer and his contract was similar in as much as he slagged Bowyer off and yet had to cave in and give him a contract when we all thought this would never happen. Could it be that his rant today is just that he can't get his own way and knows he will have to give in to a buyer very soon - ie before the season starts - or he will lose them.
Can we keep a log on here like the updated squad list thread, where it shows all the EFL clubs being bought and sold since they changed the FFP rules as per according to him, send it to talksport next time we know yellow tooth is on and ask them to ask him why these clubs managed to be bought and sold despite you claiming no one is buying clubs anymore now.
In an attempt to cling on to hope, is there any way that his rant about not offering Bowyer a contract could mirror his latest 'wise words'? I would imagine that he wanted to go onto Talksport for a live interview so he could rant about it not being his fault and the EFL rigging the vote etc etc. His rant about Bowyer and his contract was similar in as much as he slagged Bowyer off and yet had to cave in and give him a contract when we all thought this would never happen. Could it be that his rant today is just that he can't get his own way and knows he will have to give in to a buyer very soon - ie before the season starts - or he will lose them.
I wish. I can see him still being here this time next year. And the year after that and so on.
By the time he sells we'd have been up for sale longer than not under his ownership.
1955 was a very good year for handsome, intelligent boys to be born. I hear that those born at the beginning of August are also now known for their virility.
Can we keep a log on here like the updated squad list thread, where it shows all the EFL clubs being bought and sold since they changed the FFP rules as per according to him, send it to talksport next time we know yellow tooth is on and ask them to ask him why these clubs managed to be bought and sold despite you claiming no one is buying clubs anymore now.
I am sure the Bury and Bolton fans would enjoy this update, as would the Notts County ones. Let's see where Sunderland are next year. To be honest this could actually be one of the reasons why RD hasn't sold the club.
Would you honestly sell your house on the never never to the sort of people that but football clubs?
Disclaimer this is no way a defence of old yellow nor is it an insinuation that ALL owners are bad.
1955 was a very good year for handsome, intelligent boys to be born. I hear that those born at the beginning of August are also now known for their virility.
1955 was a very good year for handsome, intelligent boys to be born. I hear that those born at the beginning of August are also now known for their virility.
1955 was a very good year for handsome, intelligent boys to be born. I hear that those born at the beginning of August are also now known for their virility.
Right year. Wrong month February was the month for the best looking most intelligent people.
Can we keep a log on here like the updated squad list thread, where it shows all the EFL clubs being bought and sold since they changed the FFP rules as per according to him, send it to talksport next time we know yellow tooth is on and ask them to ask him why these clubs managed to be bought and sold despite you claiming no one is buying clubs anymore now.
I've gone through every Championship club to see when they last had a change of ownership.
Since then 9 current Championship sides have been taken over, 7 were in the Championship at the time. West Brom and Swansea were the two who were in the Premier League when they were sold.
Two were bought a few years before 16/17, us and Fulham, who were a Premier League club when they were taken over in 2013.
The remaining clubs appear to have had the same majority shareholder since 2010 or earlier.
Things might have have been different for us had Woolwich born Trevor Hemmings and his family hadn't been relocated to Lancashire during the second World War.
The owners at Blackburn (Venky's), QPR (Tony Fernandes), Hull (Assem Allam) and Cardiff (Vincent Tan) surely haven't enjoyed the success they imagined or expected, but as I said they've been at their clubs since at least 2010, something is keeping them interested.
You can't just take Championship clubs into account, there will be owners in League 1 and possibly below aiming to get to take their clubs up to this level in the near future. Blackpool were taken over this summer and Sunderland last summer. Michael Eisner bought Portsmouth in August 2017.
What would be interesting to know is which other Championship clubs are up for sale, if any, and how long their owner(s) have been trying to sell.
Can we keep a log on here like the updated squad list thread, where it shows all the EFL clubs being bought and sold since they changed the FFP rules as per according to him, send it to talksport next time we know yellow tooth is on and ask them to ask him why these clubs managed to be bought and sold despite you claiming no one is buying clubs anymore now.
I've gone through every Championship club to see when they last had a change of ownership.
Since then 9 current Championship sides have been taken over, 7 were in the Championship at the time. West Brom and Swansea were the two who were in the Premier League when they were sold.
Two were bought a few years before 16/17, us and Fulham, who were a Premier League club when they were taken over in 2013.
The remaining clubs appear to have had the same majority shareholder since 2010 or earlier.
Things might have have been different for us had Woolwich born Trevor Hemmings and his family hadn't been relocated to Lancashire during the second World War.
The owners at Blackburn (Venky's), QPR (Tony Fernandes), Hull (Assem Allam) and Cardiff (Vincent Tan) surely haven't enjoyed the success they imagined or expected, but as I said they've been at their clubs since at least 2010.
You can't just take Championship clubs into account, there will be owners in League 1 and possibly below aiming to get to take their clubs up to this level in the near future. Blackpool were taken over this summer and Sunderland last summer. Michael Eisner bought Portsmouth in August 2017.
What would be interesting to know is which other Championship clubs are up for sale, if any, and how long their owner(s) have been trying to sell.
Excellent work. I'd also like to add I believe Bolton were also taken over I think in The Championship at the time so if this current takeover goes through they will have been taken over twice since this thread started.
1955 was a very good year for handsome, intelligent boys to be born. I hear that those born at the beginning of August are also now known for their virility.
Right year. Wrong month February was the month for the best looking most intelligent people.
I had not heard that and certainly not confirmed. Even so, I see you are not claiming the virility aspect.
I think we all agree though. 1955 was an excellent year for handsome intelligent boys to be born. Probably the best in the history of mankind.
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https://talksport.com/football/efl/579976/charlton-athletic-roland-duchatelet-efl/
He needs to amend 2 words.
Substitute expected for allowed and substitute £15M for £13M and he's accurate.
There are plenty of buyers for the club but are not going to buy at inflated price that recovers his losses that he is responsible for.
I am really tired of Duchatelet’s utter horseshit.
https://talksport.com/football/efl/579321/value-worth-net-championship-squad-when-how-much-2019-20-efl/
By the time he sells we'd have been up for sale longer than not under his ownership.
its happening!
thanks.
Would you honestly sell your house on the never never to the sort of people that but football clubs?
Disclaimer this is no way a defence of old yellow nor is it an insinuation that ALL owners are bad.
Not quite the holy trinity though!
February was the month for the best looking most intelligent people.
Financial Fair Play increased the loss limit in the Championship to £13m for the 16/17 season (http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php)
Since then 9 current Championship sides have been taken over, 7 were in the Championship at the time. West Brom and Swansea were the two who were in the Premier League when they were sold.
Two were bought a few years before 16/17, us and Fulham, who were a Premier League club when they were taken over in 2013.
The remaining clubs appear to have had the same majority shareholder since 2010 or earlier.
Things might have have been different for us had Woolwich born Trevor Hemmings and his family hadn't been relocated to Lancashire during the second World War.
The owners at Blackburn (Venky's), QPR (Tony Fernandes), Hull (Assem Allam) and Cardiff (Vincent Tan) surely haven't enjoyed the success they imagined or expected, but as I said they've been at their clubs since at least 2010, something is keeping them interested.
You can't just take Championship clubs into account, there will be owners in League 1 and possibly below aiming to get to take their clubs up to this level in the near future. Blackpool were taken over this summer and Sunderland last summer. Michael Eisner bought Portsmouth in August 2017.
What would be interesting to know is which other Championship clubs are up for sale, if any, and how long their owner(s) have been trying to sell.
I think we all agree though. 1955 was an excellent year for handsome intelligent boys to be born. Probably the best in the history of mankind.