When NLA mentioned last night that the Brits may get a 'sweeter' deal if the Aussies dropped out I posted that it was like a Mexican standoff ...
However, when I read my post back it appeared that my cutting and pasting had gone awry so I edited it only to find the message looked even worse. On the advice of Homer Simpson If at first you don't succeed just give up I deleted the post and went to bed.
I awoke this morning to see the first signs of a Mexican takeover rumour and I feel that I may be to blame for this, please accept my apologies ... In short there are no Mexicans involved in this deal ... as far as I know.
When NLA mentioned last night that the Brits may get a 'sweeter' deal if the Aussies dropped out I posted that it was like a Mexican standoff ...
However, when I read my post back it appeared that my cutting and pasting had gone awry so I edited it only to find the message looked even worse. On the advice of Homer Simpson If at first you don't succeed just give up I deleted the post and went to bed.
I awoke this morning to see the first signs of a Mexican takeover rumour and I feel that I may be to blame for this, please accept my apologies ... In short there are no Mexicans involved in this deal ... as far as I know.
When NLA mentioned last night that the Brits may get a 'sweeter' deal if the Aussies dropped out I posted that it was like a Mexican standoff ...
However, when I read my post back it appeared that my cutting and pasting had gone awry so I edited it only to find the message looked even worse. On the advice of Homer Simpson If at first you don't succeed just give up I deleted the post and went to bed.
I awoke this morning to see the first signs of a Mexican takeover rumour and I feel that I may be to blame for this, please accept my apologies ... In short there are no Mexicans involved in this deal ... as far as I know.
Back tracking already on the Mexicans...you are just as bad as JW!
I would also like to thank Henry for his account of last night, but as it doesn't appear he failed to employ the rack or thumbscrews I feel he let us down.
I think what @Off_it suggests is plausible, however that implies the reason of delay is not the making of the bidders and some responsibility/ part responsibility of LVT’s employer.
If that was the case, would LVT be urging the bidder to reveal this reason if successful?
I think what @Off_it suggests is plausible, however that implies the reason of delay is not the making of the bidders and some responsibility/ part responsibility of LVT’s employer.
If that was the case, would LVT be urging the bidder to reveal this reason if successful?
Two reasons, to make it look like it is the buyers fault hoping to get an easier ride at meetings like last night or because he is also pissed off with RD and knows the old goat won't care if the sale is done.
Having read through all of this, and if (big if) we believe Duchatelet when he says it is not the asking price but the day to day costs, I think it could be that the Aussies have worked out how much it is going to cost them to run the club to their plan. They have to have a plan to make the club more successful or it makes no sense to buy us until they can cover the total cost of the whole plan. If that is true, it is positive as they would seem to be doing things properly.
It would explain the great emphasis on Duchatelet cutting costs although losing less money explains that too, and I presume the Aussies would have to appoint a CEO. This could be positive though as Duchatelet may be trying to show that the club can be run more efficiently whilst still bringing players in and competing. If this is what is happening, the Aussies can't be a million miles away or they would have dropped out.
I suspect the British bid is just there to put pressure on the Aussies, otherwise, why wouldn't we have heard any more about it!
I think what @Off_it suggests is plausible, however that implies the reason of delay is not the making of the bidders and some responsibility/ part responsibility of LVT’s employer.
If that was the case, would LVT be urging the bidder to reveal this reason if successful?
I'd go further and say @Off_it 's suggestion is the most plausible explanation I've read for the ridiculously protracted negotiations, especially given his M&A experience.
And if you place LdT's comment in that context, it makes sense to me. To paraphrase it "when this is over I hope the successful bidder will explain why it took so long, as then you will see that your narrative about it all being Roland's fault, was wide of the mark"
That is a most uncomfortable thought for us, and there is no reason not to think that there are Roland related factors in addition (his relationship with players' contracts remains my personal favourite suspicion, because of what we learnt from Standard), but in the lack of another insight which explains the delays, I'm giving Offie's suggestion a lot of weight.
Are these fans forums really worth carrying on with? He quite literally regurgitates what he said at the previous meeting each time.
No doubt if we were at the bottom end of the table people would be boycotting and having a say again on matchdays.
In fairness it seems like the info we get does vary from meeting to meeting. There's certainly stuff there that i don't remember hearing before.
Also they don't have to tell us anything, LvT doesn't need to turn up to these meetings so at least we're getting some info, even if we can probably take a lot of it with a pinch of salt.
If we didn't have them, some fans would moan we don't get told anything. When we do have them some fans say they're not worth it.
When Roland says it's not the asking price that's a problem it's the day to day running costs he is talking shite.
Surely the two things go hand in hand. If you are selling a business which is making millions of pounds profit every year you will sell it for a very high price. Alternatively if you are selling a business which is losing millions of pounds every year you have to reduce the asking price conciderably.
For me the asking price is still the main problem the rest is all smoke and mirrors.
I agree - but it may be what the Aussies are telling him as a price has seemingly been agreed. Clearly his way of solving it would be to lower the price. How much a club costs to run surely needs to be reflected in the price.
I think a lot of fans have already decided what the issues are and because the hard information coming out of this meeting, from White and elsewhere is limited and opaque they are engaging in confirmation bias.
If you think it's Ashley then the info from last night points to it being Ashley.
If you think it was leaked to White to hurry up the Brits then the info points to that.
Same for most of the other theories.
We don't have enough pieces of the puzzle to be able to work out what the picture is.
Many of the theories, old and new, are plausible but that doesn't make them true.
But neither can they be proved false. Hence we go over the same ground.
I think a lot of fans have already decided what the issues are and because the hard information coming out of this meeting, from White and elsewhere is limited and opaque they are engaging in confirmation bias.
If you think it's Ashley then the info from last night points to it being Ashley.
If you think it was leaked to White to hurry up the Brits then the info points to that.
Same for most of the other theories.
We don't have enough pieces of the puzzle to be able to work out what the picture is.
Many of the theories, old and new, are plausible but that doesn't make them true.
But neither can they be proved false. Hence we go over the same ground.
At least it should end the theory that Rick and Jim worked together to spread fake rumours to sell more copies of VOTV and get more listeners.
New info, I'm hearing that some Mexicans are in the mix
Could it be the Enchilada Consortium?
It is true, Speedy Gonzales is buying us, he will get the deal done very quickly. First thing he will do is drop the Red Red Robin and we willcome out to the Mexican Hat Dance
I think a lot of fans have already decided what the issues are and because the hard information coming out of this meeting, from White and elsewhere is limited and opaque they are engaging in confirmation bias.
If you think it's Ashley then the info from last night points to it being Ashley.
If you think it was leaked to White to hurry up the Brits then the info points to that.
Same for most of the other theories.
We don't have enough pieces of the puzzle to be able to work out what the picture is.
I hope it’s going to be a windmill. That way you don’t just need to start with the straight parts at the edges you see as there are usually also 4 very straight sails as well...
I’ve said all along that i still think we are waiting for Ashley to sell NUFC!
That’s my guess as well - I’m increasingly leaning towards the Aussies being a fabrication by RD
Oh lord.
For what it’s worth I think the Yankee dollars are on their way, the new bits of associated paperwork will get done, and it’ll be done and dusted soonish.
But don’t quote me on that. I hope that puts me back on the scapegoats list?
Comments
However, when I read my post back it appeared that my cutting and pasting had gone awry so I edited it only to find the message looked even worse. On the advice of Homer Simpson If at first you don't succeed just give up I deleted the post and went to bed.
I awoke this morning to see the first signs of a Mexican takeover rumour and I feel that I may be to blame for this, please accept my apologies ... In short there are no Mexicans involved in this deal ... as far as I know.
If that was the case, would LVT be urging the bidder to reveal this reason if successful?
He quite literally regurgitates what he said at the previous meeting each time.
No doubt if we were at the bottom end of the table people would be boycotting and having a say again on matchdays.
Having read through all of this, and if (big if) we believe Duchatelet when he says it is not the asking price but the day to day costs, I think it could be that the Aussies have worked out how much it is going to cost them to run the club to their plan. They have to have a plan to make the club more successful or it makes no sense to buy us until they can cover the total cost of the whole plan. If that is true, it is positive as they would seem to be doing things properly.
It would explain the great emphasis on Duchatelet cutting costs although losing less money explains that too, and I presume the Aussies would have to appoint a CEO. This could be positive though as Duchatelet may be trying to show that the club can be run more efficiently whilst still bringing players in and competing. If this is what is happening, the Aussies can't be a million miles away or they would have dropped out.
I suspect the British bid is just there to put pressure on the Aussies, otherwise, why wouldn't we have heard any more about it!
And if you place LdT's comment in that context, it makes sense to me. To paraphrase it "when this is over I hope the successful bidder will explain why it took so long, as then you will see that your narrative about it all being Roland's fault, was wide of the mark"
That is a most uncomfortable thought for us, and there is no reason not to think that there are Roland related factors in addition (his relationship with players' contracts remains my personal favourite suspicion, because of what we learnt from Standard), but in the lack of another insight which explains the delays, I'm giving Offie's suggestion a lot of weight.
No he didn't
Also they don't have to tell us anything, LvT doesn't need to turn up to these meetings so at least we're getting some info, even if we can probably take a lot of it with a pinch of salt.
If we didn't have them, some fans would moan we don't get told anything. When we do have them some fans say they're not worth it.
Surely the two things go hand in hand.
If you are selling a business which is making millions of pounds profit every year you will sell it for a very high price.
Alternatively if you are selling a business which is losing millions of pounds every year you have to reduce the asking price conciderably.
For me the asking price is still the main problem the rest is all smoke and mirrors.
If you think it's Ashley then the info from last night points to it being Ashley.
If you think it was leaked to White to hurry up the Brits then the info points to that.
Same for most of the other theories.
We don't have enough pieces of the puzzle to be able to work out what the picture is.
Many of the theories, old and new, are plausible but that doesn't make them true.
But neither can they be proved false. Hence we go over the same ground.
Thread title badly needs changing
First thing he will do is drop the Red Red Robin and we willcome out to the Mexican Hat Dance
It’s as if some people are seeing RD as a Machiavellian presence pulling strings behind the scenes.
He’s s a thoroughly disinterested, wealthy owner looking to sell a small football club.
It really doesn’t deserve Capricorn One-esque conspiracy theories.
For what it’s worth I think the Yankee dollars are on their way, the new bits of associated paperwork will get done, and it’ll be done and dusted soonish.
But don’t quote me on that.
I hope that puts me back on the scapegoats list?