I’m sure my view will be in a minority but the Football Club / Valley split is only bad if the deal agreed is bad.
There are scenarios where it could be very helpful to an ambitious football club owner who would prefer to spend on getting the football club into the top flight as the priority. Thats where the big bucks are and buy the real estate on agreed terms further down the line. Of course that’s a good view and there are also bad scenarios but just assuming it’s 100% bad is not quite true.
I’m sure my view will be in a minority but the Football Club / Valley split is only bad if the deal agreed is bad.
There are scenarios where it could be very helpful to an ambitious football club owner who would prefer to spend on getting the football club into the top flight as the priority. Thats where the big bucks are and buy the real estate on agreed terms further down the line. Of course that’s a good view and there are also bad scenarios but just assuming it’s 100% bad is not quite true.
This is becoming like one of those reality shows or documentaries, edited to build up the tension. Alternate the comments, some super positive, some negative..
"This cake has the potential to be sensational" "If the cake doesn't cool quickly enough, it'll be a disaster" "I don't know if it's cool enough, but I have to ice it now"
I’m sure my view will be in a minority but the Football Club / Valley split is only bad if the deal agreed is bad.
There are scenarios where it could be very helpful to an ambitious football club owner who would prefer to spend on getting the football club into the top flight as the priority. Thats where the big bucks are and buy the real estate on agreed terms further down the line. Of course that’s a good view and there are also bad scenarios but just assuming it’s 100% bad is not quite true.
I will review my bid after the transfer window closes.
I've officially removed the Quality Street/Heroes/Roses offer made pre Christmas and am currently negotiating with Thorntons on their 2019 Easter Egg collection to add back into my revised bid.
Still looking for additional backers to help the Club get past the first week of my ownership, which is what I'm currently able to finance.
I will review my bid after the transfer window closes.
I've officially removed the Quality Street/Heroes/Roses offer made pre Christmas and am currently negotiating with Thorntons on their 2019 Easter Egg collection to add back into my revised bid.
Still looking for additional backers to help the Club get past the first week of my ownership, which is what I'm currently able to finance.
I have two unopened boxes of Matchmakers if that helps, will happily donate if it gets the deal over the line
How can I stop getting emails from cl telling me somebody has contributed to this thread ....I have about 500 to delete
You may have accidentally “starred” the thread. If you’re on your phone, look on the right of the CL homescreen - if there’s a solid star, tap it to uncheck it.
If you are a pessimist/AFKA Type - The price is still the sticking point and nothing has been agreed. It's NOT close.
Just to be clear on my stance. I'm not a pessimist per se and not just saying 'won't happen' for the sake of it. I've just simply seen or heard nothing over the last two years that has led me to hold a strong belief that anything was imminently successful.
Whenever there has been a spike of 'its happening' excitement, its always underlined by too many unknowns and o/s obstacles to give any confidence it that 'this is it'.
I still think there is a chance of this current interest being successful, but there has not been enough info currently out there to give confidence that it will.
Why do I believe it will happen? I fall for it every fecking time. I REALLY thought this was the time. Now it feels like someone has booted me in the guts. And it's January. The Tatters household is a right old joy to behold at the moment.
I’m sure my view will be in a minority but the Football Club / Valley split is only bad if the deal agreed is bad.
There are scenarios where it could be very helpful to an ambitious football club owner who would prefer to spend on getting the football club into the top flight as the priority. Thats where the big bucks are and buy the real estate on agreed terms further down the line. Of course that’s a good view and there are also bad scenarios but just assuming it’s 100% bad is not quite true.
Exactly.......the Devil is in the detail.
After all - there don't appear to be too many people saying that West Ham are getting legged over with a lease arrangement for the ground currently.
There are some people who think that, in all cases, a situation where the club and the ground are under different ownership is "worse" than the current situation. I don't agree.
Currently, the title of the ground is a convoluted. The ground is owned by Baton, which in turn is c.90% owned by Roland. But there is a charge on the property that is shared, unequally, between seven other investors (the "former directors"). So the club is, in all intents and purposes owned by Roland and the ground is "shared" between Roland and other investors.
There *could* be a situation where the club is owned, 100%, by a consortium of Aussies, whose aspiration is purely on the return they can generate by improving the team (ie by getting promoted to the highest possible level), while the ground is owned, 100%, by a consortium of American investors who are purely and exclusively interested in the capital appreciation that will naturally accrue from a large piece of London real estate, whilst having no intention to develop the site. This would free up the football club to concentrate solely on the football; and free up the real estate investor to make capital gains, notwithstanding the performance of the team.
If anyone thinks that is something that must be avoided at all costs, I have to disagree. Because it implies that there is a preference for the current owner to continue. If that happens, Charlton will cease to exist in a few years' time. We are in terminal decline, with an owner who has no desire to risk any more of his investment and seemingly no clue as to how to exit. Make no mistake about it: with Roland in charge, Charlton will cease to be.
So, does anyone really have a preference to see Charlton fold, rather than have two distinct, committed, professional consortia owning the parts of the club in which their aspirations expertise lie?
I will review my bid after the transfer window closes.
I've officially removed the Quality Street/Heroes/Roses offer made pre Christmas and am currently negotiating with Thorntons on their 2019 Easter Egg collection to add back into my revised bid.
Still looking for additional backers to help the Club get past the first week of my ownership, which is what I'm currently able to finance.
I have two unopened boxes of Matchmakers if that helps, will happily donate if it gets the deal over the line
I’m sure my view will be in a minority but the Football Club / Valley split is only bad if the deal agreed is bad.
There are scenarios where it could be very helpful to an ambitious football club owner who would prefer to spend on getting the football club into the top flight as the priority. Thats where the big bucks are and buy the real estate on agreed terms further down the line. Of course that’s a good view and there are also bad scenarios but just assuming it’s 100% bad is not quite true.
Exactly.......the Devil is in the detail.
After all - there don't appear to be too many people saying that West Ham are getting legged over with a lease arrangement for the ground currently.
True. I think it depends to a large degree on who exactly the Americans are too. If it's a sporting franchise looking for an investment in English football, perhaps with a seat on the Board etc, it may be ok. If it's an American finance organisation only interested in their investment return and with the ability to expel CAFC from the Valley/SL in the event of any default in repayment - then we could end up with a SISU like arrangement and look where that's left Coventry.
I will review my bid after the transfer window closes.
I've officially removed the Quality Street/Heroes/Roses offer made pre Christmas and am currently negotiating with Thorntons on their 2019 Easter Egg collection to add back into my revised bid.
Still looking for additional backers to help the Club get past the first week of my ownership, which is what I'm currently able to finance.
I have two unopened boxes of Matchmakers if that helps, will happily donate if it gets the deal over the line
Only if they are the Orange ones.
Still, very generous of you.
Have you heard from your contact at EFL yet mate?You said he was back at work this week?
I will review my bid after the transfer window closes.
I've officially removed the Quality Street/Heroes/Roses offer made pre Christmas and am currently negotiating with Thorntons on their 2019 Easter Egg collection to add back into my revised bid.
Still looking for additional backers to help the Club get past the first week of my ownership, which is what I'm currently able to finance.
You don't need to look any further than @horsfield9 .
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I just hate Roland.
There are scenarios where it could be very helpful to an ambitious football club owner who would prefer to spend on getting the football club into the top flight as the priority. Thats where the big bucks are and buy the real estate on agreed terms further down the line. Of course that’s a good view and there are also bad scenarios but just assuming it’s 100% bad is not quite true.
I actually think we are better off with RD until another interested party decides to pay the ludicrous price.
"This cake has the potential to be sensational"
"If the cake doesn't cool quickly enough, it'll be a disaster"
"I don't know if it's cool enough, but I have to ice it now"
I've officially removed the Quality Street/Heroes/Roses offer made pre Christmas and am currently negotiating with Thorntons on their 2019 Easter Egg collection to add back into my revised bid.
Still looking for additional backers to help the Club get past the first week of my ownership, which is what I'm currently able to finance.
Whenever there has been a spike of 'its happening' excitement, its always underlined by too many unknowns and o/s obstacles to give any confidence it that 'this is it'.
I still think there is a chance of this current interest being successful, but there has not been enough info currently out there to give confidence that it will.
that's my view
We think the takeover will be completed in February. (Last year)
Assume he did infact mean February 2019.
There's been no bid, no money has been unlocked and we could still complete this week.
Righto.
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After all - there don't appear to be too many people saying that West Ham are getting legged over with a lease arrangement for the ground currently.
Currently, the title of the ground is a convoluted. The ground is owned by Baton, which in turn is c.90% owned by Roland. But there is a charge on the property that is shared, unequally, between seven other investors (the "former directors"). So the club is, in all intents and purposes owned by Roland and the ground is "shared" between Roland and other investors.
There *could* be a situation where the club is owned, 100%, by a consortium of Aussies, whose aspiration is purely on the return they can generate by improving the team (ie by getting promoted to the highest possible level), while the ground is owned, 100%, by a consortium of American investors who are purely and exclusively interested in the capital appreciation that will naturally accrue from a large piece of London real estate, whilst having no intention to develop the site. This would free up the football club to concentrate solely on the football; and free up the real estate investor to make capital gains, notwithstanding the performance of the team.
If anyone thinks that is something that must be avoided at all costs, I have to disagree. Because it implies that there is a preference for the current owner to continue. If that happens, Charlton will cease to exist in a few years' time. We are in terminal decline, with an owner who has no desire to risk any more of his investment and seemingly no clue as to how to exit. Make no mistake about it: with Roland in charge, Charlton will cease to be.
So, does anyone really have a preference to see Charlton fold, rather than have two distinct, committed, professional consortia owning the parts of the club in which their aspirations expertise lie?
Still, very generous of you.