the Saudi’s showed their money enough to put in a firm offer they reached his number and got gazzumped by people that apart from buying a scarf and getting cheap cheers like wwe wrestlers have done nothing
They then walked away as they were at their number
Not a fake number by fake people
No. The Saudi's clearly didn't have the money to run the club or they simply weren't actually interested in the club.
I am fairly certain our latest bid received was not the same amount as the Aussies bid, however it was also accepted.
If the Saudi's had either the money or the interest, they'd own us by now.
Why they reached their limit and like in all auctions you know when to stop especially when the Aussies wouldn’t stop and seeing as they are only using Monopoly money why should they
Shame you can’t wake up and smell the coffee.
When they buy us I will drink coffee for the first time in years
But my coffee ban is well and truly safe
nla....you seem to be enjoying yourself making us all the more depressed. How much longer are you planning to go on finding countless ways of telling us exactly the same thing over and over again?
I don't think NLA enjoys it at all, I think he's just doing the same as others itk, by relaying what he's been told. The only problem is, people only seem to like good news (whether they know it to be wholly accurate or not) and what NLA is relaying, isn't necessarily what the majority of fans want to hear. The majority want to hear things like "It's gonna be a tough 2 weeks, but it'll be worth it in the end".
It seems to me that if you so much as question the Aussies in anyway, you get laughed at or jumped on.
My money is on NLA.
I don't know NLA personally, or James Seed or Airman or Doucher or Red Henry or Colin or anyone ITK. I just read the posts and NLA has stuck to his guns even when his posts have been pilloried. He has also been the most accurate, and this version of events ties in with what is transpiring at CAFC. So it'll do for me.
How can it be accurate? He said consistently the Aussie’s don’t have the funds but now we have two sources claiming the Aussies have passed the fit and proper EFL test. That means they do have the funds. Last night he changed his tune to ‘don’t have the funds or not willing to pay the price’.Remember his source is coming from the Roland camp. Would you trust Roland? All this Aussie bashing is mighty suspicious.
RD has the money to pass the fit and proper test also
You need to re read the posts go back to October when I first said
The Aussies don’t have the funds (they never then )
From December I said they don’t have the funds and are trying to get more
Me saying that they may not be willing to spend it is because the fee they agreed remember the agreed part it’s very important
They have not followed through on
I said there two reasons
They don’t have it
They don’t want to spend it
What other reasons are there if the the Club The Aussies the EFL all belive that it’s in place
It’s not directors loans that part hasn’t been addressed and is not being addressed
It’s because the Aussie bid has stalled they are unwilling to pay the amount they agreed
Was this a deliberate negotiation tactic or is it they thought they could raise the money and they can’t
The EFL can check the accounts that the consortium members have and that will show they have the required funds but that don’t mean they will use it or are willing to use it
So the Aussies deliberately pushed the price up to a level they could not afford and were never going to pay in order to win the bidding process against the multi billionaire Saudi group whom we were once informed would wait until the highest bid and then match it to win?
RD went with the Aussies highest bid after the Saudis had obviously decided to stop bidding despite their original intention. RD chose this Aussie bid and has even put his name behind his support of it on the club website. This was purely on the basis it was highest but without evidence they could perform/had the consortium in place? He chose this bid ahead of the Saudi multi billionaire bid purely on size of bid with absolutely no consideration to ability to perform despite having been in business his entire life?
One thing is clear, RD bought us with a network model in mind, he failed. He then decided to sell us, so far he has failed to do this also. RD is the problem, not the Aussies, not the Saudis, not the multiple other parties who have looked and decided it is a waste of time.
Who actually buys the story that one consortium decided the best way to secure a purchase would be to try to outbid a group of Saudis?
I'm no expert, but, all other things being equal, when I want to buy something and I know that a group of astronomically-wealthy middle eastern investors also want to buy it, I don't automatically think "I'll just outspend them".
Who actually buys the story that one consortium decided the best way to secure a purchase would be to try to outbid a group of Saudis?
I'm no expert, but, all other things being equal, when I want to buy something and I know that a group of astronomically-wealthy middle eastern investors also want to buy it, I don't automatically think "I'll just outspend them".
Wouldn't the simplest explanation for the Aussies changing their bid price be down to the Directors' debt? They might have simply said, we have adjusted our price downwards (i.e minus the reported 7£M) due to the discovery of additional debt that has yet to be settled?
The Shitweasel will obviously have a problem with that as he sees that debt as worth less, hence his derisory offer to said ex-Directors. So, we have a stalemate - RD can't (or wont) get the ex-Directors to reach a settlement for their debt and the Aussies won't pay the agreed price unless that debt is settled first (as they see it, they would be paying an extra 7£M for the club, which is already ridiculously overvalued by the Shitweasel). Hence, stalemate.
What do you lot think?
Well LdT said at the FF that ex Director loans were not an issue. Lies, spin or the truth. Take your pick.
Well since my suspicion that he was lying about the EFL has been confirmed (despite my suspicions being pooh-poohed not just on here, but by my CAST colleagues who attended the FF and appeared somewhat beguiled by him), you can guess which option I'm picking.
Confirmed, or suggested? Maybe I've been something, which is easy to do with all these mega-threads running at the same time.
Re-cap.
8 weeks or so ago, @Addickted revealed an EFL source who had told him that although there had been two "qualifications" to the Aussie EFL test, they had been resolved and they had cleared the test. He checked with his source at least one more time and his source stuck to it.
At the July FF de Turck flatly contradicted this, by asserting that the Aussies still needed to submit papers. This version was widely believed. In the Aug FF, de Turck repeated that this was the status, implying, among other things, no progress in 4 weeks.
he subsequently confirmed that his source is different to Addickted's.
at the same time the EFL announced that it was to seek a meeting with the Club, as wellas granting CAST's request to meet them. This is unprecedented from the EFL.
But maybe the Aussies have since changed the composition of the consortium and need to revert to the EFL. We were told by James Seed of a difficult 2 weeks after all and which could have meant issues on either side.
Just maybe this means they need to now revert to the EFL.
Wouldn't the simplest explanation for the Aussies changing their bid price be down to the Directors' debt? They might have simply said, we have adjusted our price downwards (i.e minus the reported 7£M) due to the discovery of additional debt that has yet to be settled?
The Shitweasel will obviously have a problem with that as he sees that debt as worth less, hence his derisory offer to said ex-Directors. So, we have a stalemate - RD can't (or wont) get the ex-Directors to reach a settlement for their debt and the Aussies won't pay the agreed price unless that debt is settled first (as they see it, they would be paying an extra 7£M for the club, which is already ridiculously overvalued by the Shitweasel). Hence, stalemate.
What do you lot think?
Well LdT said at the FF that ex Director loans were not an issue. Lies, spin or the truth. Take your pick.
Well since my suspicion that he was lying about the EFL has been confirmed (despite my suspicions being pooh-poohed not just on here, but by my CAST colleagues who attended the FF and appeared somewhat beguiled by him), you can guess which option I'm picking.
Confirmed, or suggested? Maybe I've been something, which is easy to do with all these mega-threads running at the same time.
Re-cap.
8 weeks or so ago, @Addickted revealed an EFL source who had told him that although there had been two "qualifications" to the Aussie EFL test, they had been resolved and they had cleared the test. He checked with his source at least one more time and his source stuck to it.
At the July FF de Turck flatly contradicted this, by asserting that the Aussies still needed to submit papers. This version was widely believed. In the Aug FF, de Turck repeated that this was the status, implying, among other things, no progress in 4 weeks.
he subsequently confirmed that his source is different to Addickted's.
at the same time the EFL announced that it was to seek a meeting with the Club, as wellas granting CAST's request to meet them. This is unprecedented from the EFL.
But maybe the Aussies have since changed the composition of the consortium and need to revert to the EFL. We were told by James Seed of a difficult 2 weeks after all and which could have meant issues on either side.
Just maybe this means they need to now revert to the EFL.
A guess obviously
Cannot be, because @Airman Brown source came forward only late this week, to confirm what the other source said two months ago. That is obviously why the EFL have roused themselves from their Preston bolthole. One of their members is taking their name in vain.
Wouldn't the simplest explanation for the Aussies changing their bid price be down to the Directors' debt? They might have simply said, we have adjusted our price downwards (i.e minus the reported 7£M) due to the discovery of additional debt that has yet to be settled?
The Shitweasel will obviously have a problem with that as he sees that debt as worth less, hence his derisory offer to said ex-Directors. So, we have a stalemate - RD can't (or wont) get the ex-Directors to reach a settlement for their debt and the Aussies won't pay the agreed price unless that debt is settled first (as they see it, they would be paying an extra 7£M for the club, which is already ridiculously overvalued by the Shitweasel). Hence, stalemate.
What do you lot think?
Well LdT said at the FF that ex Director loans were not an issue. Lies, spin or the truth. Take your pick.
Well since my suspicion that he was lying about the EFL has been confirmed (despite my suspicions being pooh-poohed not just on here, but by my CAST colleagues who attended the FF and appeared somewhat beguiled by him), you can guess which option I'm picking.
Confirmed, or suggested? Maybe I've been something, which is easy to do with all these mega-threads running at the same time.
Re-cap.
8 weeks or so ago, @Addickted revealed an EFL source who had told him that although there had been two "qualifications" to the Aussie EFL test, they had been resolved and they had cleared the test. He checked with his source at least one more time and his source stuck to it.
At the July FF de Turck flatly contradicted this, by asserting that the Aussies still needed to submit papers. This version was widely believed. In the Aug FF, de Turck repeated that this was the status, implying, among other things, no progress in 4 weeks.
he subsequently confirmed that his source is different to Addickted's.
at the same time the EFL announced that it was to seek a meeting with the Club, as wellas granting CAST's request to meet them. This is unprecedented from the EFL.
But maybe the Aussies have since changed the composition of the consortium and need to revert to the EFL. We were told by James Seed of a difficult 2 weeks after all and which could have meant issues on either side.
Just maybe this means they need to now revert to the EFL.
A guess obviously
Cannot be, because @Airman Brown source came forward only late this week, to confirm what the other source said two months ago. That is obviously why the EFL have roused themselves from their Preston bolthole. One of their members is taking their name in vain.
Surely could be if they know they will need to resubmit their papers to EFL becuase details have since changed but they haven’t approached EFL yet?
I am looking for a positive with this guess and trying to tie it together with the 2 weeks reference.
1) NLA is saying that The Aussies outbid the Saudies in the full knowledge that they were never going to pay that price but lower their offer to one which suited them once they were the only player in town. If true then scandalous imo.
2) James Seed is saying that on 18th May the Aussies had the money, the deal had been agreed with RD, but the final deal had to be signed off by all the members of the consortium. Which, because of the delay, has not happened. Begs the question why ?? Surely anyone getting involved must know the initial cost of buying the club & then the future outlay needed to fund their 5 year plan. Sounds like the original AFC deal......round up enough interest & go from there. Hardly what I would call "serious".
3) The Aussies must have had enough money at some point (18th May ?) to satisfy both RD and the EFL - FPP test passed also sometime after that. I'm assuming "enough money" to RD was £40m & to the EFL it was this plus 2 years funding.
If all of this is correct then as I've said a few times before I wish that Muir et al had never got involved. Not even the way to run a pub team.
Not sure you’ve read my recent posts properly. 2) is wrong. 3) is partly wrong. 1) is probably wrong info. There’s nothing to back it up, as far as I now.
Have a plane to catch now.
1,2 and 3 are not wrong. They are wrong in your opinion. There is a distinction.
No they are wrong actually, because he’s saying I said things that I didn’t say or imply. This applies to 2) and 3) In reference to 1) I said it is ‘probably wrong’. I then said ‘as far as I know’.
All of my info come directly from one of the consortium, so I don’t need to say ‘in my opinion’ all the time. The only issue is whether people think I’ve been lied to, and I certainly not going to write ‘unless they’re lying through their teeth’ every time I write a comment’. Other people’s sources are less direct. No one is getting info from Roland. Lieven’s info we know isn’t necessarily reliable.
Your interventions are very selective. Don’t remember you intervening with NLA when he stated: ‘They have never had the money. Fact.’ Or many other statements presented as fact that are not from a direct source. ‘The Aussies have pulled out. Mic drop.’ ‘The Aussies are charlatans, which is because they’re from convict stock’. ‘They never had the dosh’.
It’s been relentless, but how many interventions from you? Zero.
(Just my opinion mate)
And how many 'soon', 'two weeks', 'very close', 'next week or two', 'be patient, it will be worth it' has your mate spoken to you about?
None of them have been factual. Not one. Five year plan my arse.
It seem GM may actually not be ITK, or he's just stringing you along.
I believe the £40m price tag was mentioned by @Redhenry many months ago. No idea if he is/was itk or whether he made it up. Its taken as gospel now though & like you, I would have thought anything above what he paid (c £18m inc debt) is a pisstake.
Last Saudi bid I heard was 40.5m which matched the Aussies at the time.
So can you tell us any more about these Saudis? What is their business? have they shown interest in any other club? Why does a 3rd division club interest them, when they could buy a Championship club for a similar figure? If they really think CAFC is worth such a preposterous amount, why do they allow themselves to be outbid for the sake of half a million?
I appreciate that you may not know any of the answers and post what you hear in good faith. I just have a bit of trouble with the whole idea that this sale is like a (Dutch) auction of a single tangible entity - such ,as, wait for it - a house. As I was trying to say above, the headline price needs to deal with various tricky financail subplots, and each and any buyer will approach those subplots (former directors, player sales in the summer, sell ons, etc) in their own way. Sorry I just don't buy the idea that somebody was outbid by half a mill and slunk away, never to be heard of again.
I never said they were outbid. I said last I heard was they matched the Aussie bid at that time which was 40.5m.
Who actually buys the story that one consortium decided the best way to secure a purchase would be to try to outbid a group of Saudis?
I'm no expert, but, all other things being equal, when I want to buy something and I know that a group of astronomically-wealthy middle eastern investors also want to buy it, I don't automatically think "I'll just outspend them".
I don’t buy it. Just more suspicious Aussie bashing.
(My first house analogy). If I was buying a house and the vendor was playing hardball, I'd probably try to accommodate him to a point. However, if his intransigence persisted I would simply go and buy another house. I wouldn't tell the awkward cuss that the deal was dead ... let him squirm.
The Aussie brief was to buy 'a football club' and reach the Premiership within five years. I wouldn't be surprised if they've switched their attention already, whilst using Charlton as a perfect cover to achieve their new target without alerting possible competitors.
Remember they were right on the cusp of completing this takeover when they decided to go back to Australia for a bit of a rest. Likely? Not really. Just another theory to chuck on the woodpile.
I hate to say this, but I think RD would rather just throw the whole thing in Administration next year rather than sell for £20M this year. Surely, you say, he would not do that because it would be an bigger financial loss than selling for £20M. But this logic assumes two things...
1. That RD is financially smart (he is not, as evidenced by where we are) 2. That his c***ness has some kind of limit. (it absolutely does not)
I hate to say this, but I think RD would rather just throw the whole thing in Administration next year rather than sell for £20M this year. Surely, you say, he would not do that because it would be an bigger financial loss than selling for £20M. But this logic assumes two things...
1. That RD is financially smart (he is not, as evidenced by where we are) 2. That his c***ness has some kind of limit. (it absolutely does not)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but administration is for businesses which are unable to pay their suppliers and employees because they've run out of cash. That is clearly not the case with Charlton.
What he could do if he was stupid enough, is to resign from the League and liquidate the club's assets.
I say stupid because the consequences for him of that course of action could be severe. Fatal even.
1) NLA is saying that The Aussies outbid the Saudies in the full knowledge that they were never going to pay that price but lower their offer to one which suited them once they were the only player in town. If true then scandalous imo.
2) James Seed is saying that on 18th May the Aussies had the money, the deal had been agreed with RD, but the final deal had to be signed off by all the members of the consortium. Which, because of the delay, has not happened. Begs the question why ?? Surely anyone getting involved must know the initial cost of buying the club & then the future outlay needed to fund their 5 year plan. Sounds like the original AFC deal......round up enough interest & go from there. Hardly what I would call "serious".
3) The Aussies must have had enough money at some point (18th May ?) to satisfy both RD and the EFL - FPP test passed also sometime after that. I'm assuming "enough money" to RD was £40m & to the EFL it was this plus 2 years funding.
If all of this is correct then as I've said a few times before I wish that Muir et al had never got involved. Not even the way to run a pub team.
Not sure you’ve read my recent posts properly. 2) is wrong. 3) is partly wrong. 1) is probably wrong info. There’s nothing to back it up, as far as I now.
Have a plane to catch now.
1,2 and 3 are not wrong. They are wrong in your opinion. There is a distinction.
No they are wrong actually, because he’s saying I said things that I didn’t say or imply. This applies to 2) and 3) In reference to 1) I said it is ‘probably wrong’. I then said ‘as far as I know’.
All of my info come directly from one of the consortium, so I don’t need to say ‘in my opinion’ all the time. The only issue is whether people think I’ve been lied to, and I certainly not going to write ‘unless they’re lying through their teeth’ every time I write a comment’. Other people’s sources are less direct. No one is getting info from Roland. Lieven’s info we know isn’t necessarily reliable.
Your interventions are very selective. Don’t remember you intervening with NLA when he stated: ‘They have never had the money. Fact.’ Or many other statements presented as fact that are not from a direct source. ‘The Aussies have pulled out. Mic drop.’ ‘The Aussies are charlatans, which is because they’re from convict stock’. ‘They never had the dosh’.
It’s been relentless, but how many interventions from you? Zero.
(Just my opinion mate)
And how many 'soon', 'two weeks', 'very close', 'next week or two', 'be patient, it will be worth it' has your mate spoken to you about?
None of them have been factual. Not one. Five year plan my arse.
It seem GM may actually not be ITK, or he's just stringing you along.
None of them are factual? What are you talking about? They are just reply to my oft repeated question 'is the deal off?' which I've been asked repeatedly to put to him by people on here, and on Twitter. None of them have said 'the deal will be completed next week' or whatever. They've all been of the 'we're still in it' variety. Bland, but truthful and harmless, unlike your unecessarily rude post. Plenty of people are happy to read them as well. Sure you're an anti-Aussie cheerleader, I get that, and don't have a problem with it, but no need to be so vitriolic.
I hate to say this, but I think RD would rather just throw the whole thing in Administration next year rather than sell for £20M this year. Surely, you say, he would not do that because it would be an bigger financial loss than selling for £20M. But this logic assumes two things...
1. That RD is financially smart (he is not, as evidenced by where we are) 2. That his c***ness has some kind of limit. (it absolutely does not)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but administration is for businesses which are unable to pay their suppliers and employees because they've run out of cash. That is clearly not the case with Charlton.
I am less sure.
Since CAFC runs a deficit every single month, and is already in debt to the tune of at least £58M, it essentially IS UNABLE TO PAY. It only pays because RD loans it money every month, at interest. But he is under NO legal requirement to do so. Even if he has several hundred million pounds himself, he has no requirement to use it to pay CAFC bills. The way I see it, CAFC only remains a going concern due to a monthly bailout by RD. Take that away, and it's tits up.
There are plenty of organizations that go bust even if their owners are rich. Is it likely in this case? probably not. But given this is RD we are talking about, I can't say it's zero.
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The only Beach Boys hit not written by Brian Wilson
Apart from Why Do Fools Fall In Love (1964), Do You Wanna Dance and Barbara Ann (1965), Sloop John B (1966), Bluebirds Over The Mountain (1968), I Can Hear Music (1969), Cottonfields (1970), Long Promised Road (1971), California Saga: California (1973), Rock and Roll Music (1975), Peggy Sue (1978), Lady Linda (1979), Come Go With Me (1981), Getcha Back and It's getting Late (1985), She Believes In Love Again and California Dreaming (1986), Wipe Out (1987), Still Cruisin' (1989), Problem Child (1989), Hot Fun in the Summertime (1992), I Can Hear Music (1966).
Thanks @Chizz . I clearly didnt make myself clear, when I said "hit", I meant a number one in the charts.
OK, I will have another go..!
Barbara Ann (number one in Norway), Sloop John B (Holland, Norway and Sweden) and Cottonfields (Australia, Norway and Sweden).
And other sings like The Little Old Lady From Passadena and Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me, with Elton John (which both hit number 1 in Canada).
Let me have another go and state that the misunderstanding is due to my less than precise original response.
I meant to say that all hits which were composed with a Beach Boy input were led by Brian and co-composed by either Mike Love, Peter Asher - Pet Sounds - or Van Dyke - SMiLE.
Brian had no input into Kokomo, the first number one Beach Boys composed song without Brian's input.
I hate to say this, but I think RD would rather just throw the whole thing in Administration next year rather than sell for £20M this year. Surely, you say, he would not do that because it would be an bigger financial loss than selling for £20M. But this logic assumes two things...
1. That RD is financially smart (he is not, as evidenced by where we are) 2. That his c***ness has some kind of limit. (it absolutely does not)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but administration is for businesses which are unable to pay their suppliers and employees because they've run out of cash. That is clearly not the case with Charlton.
I am less sure.
Since CAFC runs a deficit every single month, and is already in debt to the tune of at least £58M, it essentially IS UNABLE TO PAY. It only pays because RD loans it money every month, at interest. But he is under NO legal requirement to do so. Even if he has several hundred million pounds himself, he has no requirement to use it to pay CAFC bills. The way I see it, CAFC only remains a going concern due to a monthly bailout by RD. Take that away, and it's tits up.
There are plenty of organizations that go bust even if their owners are rich. Is it likely in this case? probably not. But given this is RD we are talking about, I can't say it's zero.
In business terms it would be the daftest thing he could do. If he wants to recoup any of his money it is worth most as a going concern.
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RD went with the Aussies highest bid after the Saudis had obviously decided to stop bidding despite their original intention. RD chose this Aussie bid and has even put his name behind his support of it on the club website. This was purely on the basis it was highest but without evidence they could perform/had the consortium in place? He chose this bid ahead of the Saudi multi billionaire bid purely on size of bid with absolutely no consideration to ability to perform despite having been in business his entire life?
One thing is clear, RD bought us with a network model in mind, he failed. He then decided to sell us, so far he has failed to do this also. RD is the problem, not the Aussies, not the Saudis, not the multiple other parties who have looked and decided it is a waste of time.
I'm no expert, but, all other things being equal, when I want to buy something and I know that a group of astronomically-wealthy middle eastern investors also want to buy it, I don't automatically think "I'll just outspend them".
I look forward to hearing there side of the story.
Just maybe this means they need to now revert to the EFL.
A guess obviously
I am looking for a positive with this guess and trying to tie it together with the 2 weeks reference.
This is an accurate representation of the EFL
But no.
I get why you are defending them but the lack of progress means questioned are there to be answered by themselves as well as Roland
I do think you take it too seriously, your not a part of the bid (as far as I am aware) so chill out a bit
But we’re at a very important place in this club’s history, so some of this needs taking very seriously indeed.
But ta, it might be time for a breather.
(On a tram between Alicante and Benidorm)
The Aussie brief was to buy 'a football club' and reach the Premiership within five years. I wouldn't be surprised if they've switched their attention already, whilst using Charlton as a perfect cover to achieve their new target without alerting possible competitors.
Remember they were right on the cusp of completing this takeover when they decided to go back to Australia for a bit of a rest. Likely? Not really. Just another theory to chuck on the woodpile.
1. That RD is financially smart (he is not, as evidenced by where we are)
2. That his c***ness has some kind of limit. (it absolutely does not)
What he could do if he was stupid enough, is to resign from the League and liquidate the club's assets.
I say stupid because the consequences for him of that course of action could be severe. Fatal even.
None of them have said 'the deal will be completed next week' or whatever.
They've all been of the 'we're still in it' variety. Bland, but truthful and harmless, unlike your unecessarily rude post. Plenty of people are happy to read them as well. Sure you're an anti-Aussie cheerleader, I get that, and don't have a problem with it, but no need to be so vitriolic.
Since CAFC runs a deficit every single month, and is already in debt to the tune of at least £58M, it essentially IS UNABLE TO PAY. It only pays because RD loans it money every month, at interest. But he is under NO legal requirement to do so. Even if he has several hundred million pounds himself, he has no requirement to use it to pay CAFC bills. The way I see it, CAFC only remains a going concern due to a monthly bailout by RD. Take that away, and it's tits up.
There are plenty of organizations that go bust even if their owners are rich. Is it likely in this case? probably not. But given this is RD we are talking about, I can't say it's zero.
I meant to say that all hits which were composed with a Beach Boy input were led by Brian and co-composed by either Mike Love, Peter Asher - Pet Sounds - or Van Dyke - SMiLE.
Brian had no input into Kokomo, the first number one Beach Boys composed song without Brian's input.
Incidentally, my Border Collie is named Wilson !