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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Genuinely given up on this now.
I agree the next two weeks will be tough. I have to decide whether I give up altogether.3 -
Here's a thought. JS is quoting what he's been told. Fine. But, ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’ could mean, at the end of the two weeks GM walking away with his millions intact, because the Aussies have walked away. He didn't tell JS for WHO it would all be worthwhile...JamesSeed said:ok but please don’t shoot the messenger:
GM anticipating ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’.
But also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’.
Which is slightly depressing if you hoped it would happen before the start of the season, but positive if you thought it wouldn’t happen this season at all, or they were pulling out.
I’m sure he’d want to apologise for not being able to share any proper details, but if you start breaking NDAs you immediately lose all business credibility.
[*turns off phone, dives for cover*]
PS 16/1 is poor value.0 -
What millions?East_Stand_Loopy said:
Here's a thought. JS is quoting what he's been told. Fine. But, ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’ could mean, at the end of the two weeks GM walking away with his millions intact, because the Aussies have walked away. He didn't tell JS for WHO it would all be worthwhile...JamesSeed said:ok but please don’t shoot the messenger:
GM anticipating ‘a difficult two weeks ahead’.
But also that ‘it’ll all be worthwhile’.
Which is slightly depressing if you hoped it would happen before the start of the season, but positive if you thought it wouldn’t happen this season at all, or they were pulling out.
I’m sure he’d want to apologise for not being able to share any proper details, but if you start breaking NDAs you immediately lose all business credibility.
[*turns off phone, dives for cover*]
PS 16/1 is poor value.2 -
Never give up, never surrender.ShootersHillGuru said:Genuinely given up on this now.
I agree the next two weeks will be tough. I have to decide whether I give up altogether.
(What movie was that from?)1 -
Which, of course, they will be. Have you seen the size of parachute payments now?JamesSeed said:.
Plan for Prem not Championship. But totally agree it’s not going to be easy in that there are plenty of others with the same idea.killerandflash said:
A well argued and balanced argument, but no fish puns thoughJamesSeed said:
@PopIconPopIcon said:@JamesSeed why do you have so much faith in the Aussies?
1. GM is a decent bloke, and he’s definitely not a crook.
2. They’re not in it in order to sell us down the river in some sort of land/property scam involving a move from The Valley.
3.At least two of the consortium have previous involvement in sport, and are sports fans.
4. I believe (and this is fingers crossed time) that they’ll offer medium to long term financial stability, because the consortium model should spread the risk, and bypasses the risk nof having a single owner who might lose interest or go bust.
5. They seem to have ambition, backed by a five year plan. Of course the proof will be in the pudding.
6. They are at least aware that Charlton fans have earned the right to be taken seriously.
Of course there are negatives too.
It’s possible that they’ve had problems replacing a wealthy backer as some have speculated, and it’s possible that they’ve made mistakes along the way with the paperwork (purely speculation because I have no knowledge of this). It’s possibe we’ll end up with two or three Aussie players, although they’ve denied that.
I understand people’s scepticism. As people have said, they’ve proved nothing yet. But I’m prepared to give them a chance.
If they actually buy the club of course.
I would caution that 5 year plans aren't necessarily a sign of ambition, as
a) it depends on what the plan actually covers, a plan that sees us as a mid table Championship team after 5 years would be an improvement on our current state, but hardly very inspiring
b) are the plans realistic, and proportional to the level of funding they are investing? It's easy to talk big, but in a world where there are some very rich owners splashing the cash to get in the PL, relying on Aussie sports know how and scouting as a secret weapon won't cut it.
I don’t think they’re only relying on Aussie sports know how though. *If* there have been problems replacing investors it’s probably because the level of required investment is high. I hope they have a plan of action for what to do if they’re outgunned financially in the Championship.0 -
"Galaxy Quest"...JamesSeed said:
Never give up, never surrender.ShootersHillGuru said:Genuinely given up on this now.
I agree the next two weeks will be tough. I have to decide whether I give up altogether.
(What movie was that from?)7 -
Don't worry they've a 25 year planThe Red Robin said:Irrelevant now with the Aussies as between them and Roland they've already managed to write this season off.
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Very true. They're ridiculous. The Premier League looks after it's own, and doesn't give 4x for anyone else.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Which, of course, they will be. Have you seen the size of parachute payments now?JamesSeed said:.
Plan for Prem not Championship. But totally agree it’s not going to be easy in that there are plenty of others with the same idea.killerandflash said:
A well argued and balanced argument, but no fish puns thoughJamesSeed said:
@PopIconPopIcon said:@JamesSeed why do you have so much faith in the Aussies?
1. GM is a decent bloke, and he’s definitely not a crook.
2. They’re not in it in order to sell us down the river in some sort of land/property scam involving a move from The Valley.
3.At least two of the consortium have previous involvement in sport, and are sports fans.
4. I believe (and this is fingers crossed time) that they’ll offer medium to long term financial stability, because the consortium model should spread the risk, and bypasses the risk nof having a single owner who might lose interest or go bust.
5. They seem to have ambition, backed by a five year plan. Of course the proof will be in the pudding.
6. They are at least aware that Charlton fans have earned the right to be taken seriously.
Of course there are negatives too.
It’s possible that they’ve had problems replacing a wealthy backer as some have speculated, and it’s possible that they’ve made mistakes along the way with the paperwork (purely speculation because I have no knowledge of this). It’s possibe we’ll end up with two or three Aussie players, although they’ve denied that.
I understand people’s scepticism. As people have said, they’ve proved nothing yet. But I’m prepared to give them a chance.
If they actually buy the club of course.
I would caution that 5 year plans aren't necessarily a sign of ambition, as
a) it depends on what the plan actually covers, a plan that sees us as a mid table Championship team after 5 years would be an improvement on our current state, but hardly very inspiring
b) are the plans realistic, and proportional to the level of funding they are investing? It's easy to talk big, but in a world where there are some very rich owners splashing the cash to get in the PL, relying on Aussie sports know how and scouting as a secret weapon won't cut it.
I don’t think they’re only relying on Aussie sports know how though. *If* there have been problems replacing investors it’s probably because the level of required investment is high. I hope they have a plan of action for what to do if they’re outgunned financially in the Championship.3 -
Have a hospital appointment on 11/8 @2.30 so won't be at the first home game.
Still haven't renewed my season ticket, have no interest in doing so.
As I said in my last post on this thread it is all so fucking boring. My interest in waning at an alarming rate. Can honestly foresee a situation where Norwich on Saturday is the only game I go to this season. What worries me more is that could well be the case whether there is a take over or not.1 -
You people are bonkers if you want Ashley. He demands the club BREAK EVEN, which is even worse that what Roland demands. Ashley is ranked as a worse owner than RD is in every article that attempts to rank bad owners. He got his club relegated twice. Much like RD recently, he only allows his manager to spend money in the transfer market after he first sells someone off the team. For three straight windows he has lied to his manager about allowing him to spend money in the transfer window. And he named the stadium after his pet company and owns it primarily as a marketing arm for his company. We would be named Sports Direct Valley, with his banners everywhere and none of that money would be spent on players. He never attends matches. He uses a lackey to communicate with fans and as the front for money decisions (sound familiar?) He would be a disaster.Bilko said:I think we will have to wait until Mike Ashley sells up
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Must be terrible getting relegated and then immediately promoted again because of the massive amount of money spent on players. I didn't see Roland stumping up Matt Richie money when we were in the champNapaAddick said:
You people are bonkers if you want Ashley. He demands the club BREAK EVEN, which is even worse that what Roland demands. Ashley is ranked as a worse owner than RD is in every article that attempts to rank bad owners. He got his club relegated twice. Much like RD recently, he only allows his manager to spend money in the transfer market after he first sells someone off the team. For three straight windows he has lied to his manager about allowing him to spend money in the transfer window. And he named the stadium after his pet company and owns it primarily as a marketing arm for his company. We would be named Sports Direct Valley, with his banners verywhere and none of that money would be spent on players. He never attends matches. He would be a disaster.Bilko said:I think we will have to wait until Mike Ashley sells up
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And if ever got there we'd be just the same!JamesSeed said:
Very true. They're ridiculous. The Premier League looks after it's own, and doesn't give 4x for anyone else.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Which, of course, they will be. Have you seen the size of parachute payments now?JamesSeed said:.
Plan for Prem not Championship. But totally agree it’s not going to be easy in that there are plenty of others with the same idea.killerandflash said:
A well argued and balanced argument, but no fish puns thoughJamesSeed said:
@PopIconPopIcon said:@JamesSeed why do you have so much faith in the Aussies?
1. GM is a decent bloke, and he’s definitely not a crook.
2. They’re not in it in order to sell us down the river in some sort of land/property scam involving a move from The Valley.
3.At least two of the consortium have previous involvement in sport, and are sports fans.
4. I believe (and this is fingers crossed time) that they’ll offer medium to long term financial stability, because the consortium model should spread the risk, and bypasses the risk nof having a single owner who might lose interest or go bust.
5. They seem to have ambition, backed by a five year plan. Of course the proof will be in the pudding.
6. They are at least aware that Charlton fans have earned the right to be taken seriously.
Of course there are negatives too.
It’s possible that they’ve had problems replacing a wealthy backer as some have speculated, and it’s possible that they’ve made mistakes along the way with the paperwork (purely speculation because I have no knowledge of this). It’s possibe we’ll end up with two or three Aussie players, although they’ve denied that.
I understand people’s scepticism. As people have said, they’ve proved nothing yet. But I’m prepared to give them a chance.
If they actually buy the club of course.
I would caution that 5 year plans aren't necessarily a sign of ambition, as
a) it depends on what the plan actually covers, a plan that sees us as a mid table Championship team after 5 years would be an improvement on our current state, but hardly very inspiring
b) are the plans realistic, and proportional to the level of funding they are investing? It's easy to talk big, but in a world where there are some very rich owners splashing the cash to get in the PL, relying on Aussie sports know how and scouting as a secret weapon won't cut it.
I don’t think they’re only relying on Aussie sports know how though. *If* there have been problems replacing investors it’s probably because the level of required investment is high. I hope they have a plan of action for what to do if they’re outgunned financially in the Championship.
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4 pages about fashies0
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Not true. He spent less on players in The Championship than he did they year they were relegated. Spending on players went down. It was a case of parachute money saving the day. That and the fact when you average 57,000 per match in the second division, it gives you a big spending advantage. Ashley gets no credit for attendances.Pelling1993 said:
Must be terrible getting relegated and then immediately promoted again because of the massive amount of money spent on players. I didn't see Roland stumping up Matt Richie money when we were in the champNapaAddick said:
You people are bonkers if you want Ashley. He demands the club BREAK EVEN, which is even worse that what Roland demands. Ashley is ranked as a worse owner than RD is in every article that attempts to rank bad owners. He got his club relegated twice. Much like RD recently, he only allows his manager to spend money in the transfer market after he first sells someone off the team. For three straight windows he has lied to his manager about allowing him to spend money in the transfer window. And he named the stadium after his pet company and owns it primarily as a marketing arm for his company. We would be named Sports Direct Valley, with his banners verywhere and none of that money would be spent on players. He never attends matches. He would be a disaster.Bilko said:I think we will have to wait until Mike Ashley sells up
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Couldn't agree more.NapaAddick said:
You people are bonkers if you want Ashley. He demands the club BREAK EVEN, which is even worse that what Roland demands. Ashley is ranked as a worse owner than RD is in every article that attempts to rank bad owners. He got his club relegated twice. Much like RD recently, he only allows his manager to spend money in the transfer market after he first sells someone off the team. For three straight windows he has lied to his manager about allowing him to spend money in the transfer window. And he named the stadium after his pet company and owns it primarily as a marketing arm for his company. We would be named Sports Direct Valley, with his banners everywhere and none of that money would be spent on players. He never attends matches. He uses a lackey to communicate with fans and as the front for money decisions (sound familiar?) He would be a disaster.Bilko said:I think we will have to wait until Mike Ashley sells up
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I thought ANYONE was better than Roly4
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We haven't sunk that low yet surely.i_b_b_o_r_g said:I thought ANYONE was better than Roly
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I'm not too certain tbh2
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Usual mix of bollox and bad news as per1
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So you rather it was good news?Goonerhater said:Usual mix of bollox and bad news as per
Even if it was a lie?0 -
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I think the fact that the Aussie turned up in the crowd and was waving a scarf and hailed as the new messiah and sky announced that new owners were waiting to take over - had us all thinking that the RD would be gone in a couple of weeks.. and let’s get the players in and get out of league for most has soured the start of the season and maybe all of it for us ....
Their Silence is deafening and I don’t go along with due diligence ...at least release one statement
Be good to know who is buying and selling the players
Roll on Saturday week and beat Sunderland and get the season started
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Diane Abbott hacked your account again?NapaAddick said:
Not true. He spent less on players in The Championship than he did they year they were relegated. Spending on players went down. It was a case of parachute money saving the day. That and the fact when you average 57,000 per match in the second division, it gives you a big spending advantage. Ashley gets no credit for attendances.Pelling1993 said:
Must be terrible getting relegated and then immediately promoted again because of the massive amount of money spent on players. I didn't see Roland stumping up Matt Richie money when we were in the champNapaAddick said:
You people are bonkers if you want Ashley. He demands the club BREAK EVEN, which is even worse that what Roland demands. Ashley is ranked as a worse owner than RD is in every article that attempts to rank bad owners. He got his club relegated twice. Much like RD recently, he only allows his manager to spend money in the transfer market after he first sells someone off the team. For three straight windows he has lied to his manager about allowing him to spend money in the transfer window. And he named the stadium after his pet company and owns it primarily as a marketing arm for his company. We would be named Sports Direct Valley, with his banners verywhere and none of that money would be spent on players. He never attends matches. He would be a disaster.Bilko said:I think we will have to wait until Mike Ashley sells up
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Sid got angry a couple of pages backTodds_right_hook said:Another couple of hundred pages of fish puns (some good work, some must try harder). And more pointless digs aimed towards @JamesSeed for trying to be helpful and sharing what information he has. Have I missed anything?
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Not hissing was he?cabbles said:
Sid got angry a couple of pages backTodds_right_hook said:Another couple of hundred pages of fish puns (some good work, some must try harder). And more pointless digs aimed towards @JamesSeed for trying to be helpful and sharing what information he has. Have I missed anything?
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Ashley and Roland have one thing in common, they know how to string out selling their club 0
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Certainly mugged themselves off there in my opinion. Way too premature and naive if they really felt it was over the line. It almost smacked of arrogance if I was totally honest.jdsd42 said:I think the fact that the Aussie turned up in the crowd and was waving a scarf and hailed as the new messiah and sky announced that new owners were waiting to take over - had us all thinking that the RD would be gone in a couple of weeks.. and let’s get the players in and get out of league for most has soured the start of the season and maybe all of it for us ....
Their Silence is deafening and I don’t go along with due diligence ...at least release one statement
Be good to know who is buying and selling the players
Roll on Saturday week and beat Sunderland and get the season started
Still, not like an Aussie to be bold and brash that's for sure.3 -
Dave Berry was doing fish related bands on his breakfast show this morning, that cannot be a coincidence.
Not takeover related but just thought I’d share.14 -
JamesSeed said:
Never give up, never surrender.ShootersHillGuru said:Genuinely given up on this now.
I agree the next two weeks will be tough. I have to decide whether I give up altogether.
(What movie was that from?)Postman Pat movie
Finding Nemo1 -
This thread isn’t so much a circle as a spiral about to disappear up its own fundament.1
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